Sorry Tom
1)Street Poet Ray
2) Street Poet Ray

'nuff said

Posted by cjmcaree on 2008-02-25 16:52:34
2099: World of Tomorrow. Yeah, it sn't exactly a "story" because I'm naming the whole run, but it was a continuous mish-mash that only lasted 8 issues, so I'll group them all together. Hate, hate, hate.

Posted by Jason M Bryant on 2008-02-25 16:58:27
I own the Marville trade, as it happens.
Anyway, moving on....2 books, two books.

-Avengers: Red Zone. I hated everything about Johns at Marvel, but that, as the follow up to Busiek's Avengers, featuring the Red Skull as an Avengers villain, and character regression for Henry Gyrich - thats takes the cake.

-Mutant X. The Howard Mackie book - a book I only started buying because the reviews were so bad, my masochistic streak kicked in. If we pick out one story in particular - Kitty Pryde as a dominatrix....what the hell..

Posted by Dave James on 2008-02-25 17:08:44
1) New X-Men #114-154 + 2001 Annual.

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-25 17:27:32
Fantastic Four #21. Terrible, terrible comic book. I love the Lee/Kirby run but man, what a stinker. I nearly choked on the "unmasking".

Secret Wars. Just awful!

Vetoing New X-Men - it varies from competent to terrific, but at no point does it reach mediocrity. Plus it's a bit silly to nominate that long a run of books - I might as well nominate the whole run of "Web of Spider-Man" while I'm at it (I bloody well ought to, most of it's terrible).

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-02-25 17:41:36
Incidentally, here's what I wrote just after I finished reading Secret Wars:
http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/05/?p=4060

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-02-25 17:44:07
Irredeemable Ant-Man
He's a jerk. We get it. Oy.







Posted by R Nitelight on 2008-02-25 17:44:21
Ultimates 3
Wolverine #50-55

Posted by Rawnzilla on 2008-02-25 17:58:07
I veto the Web of Spider-Man run. There was stuff I really liked in that.

Posted by Jason M Bryant on 2008-02-25 18:02:58
Clone. Saga.
I seriously quit reading the entire comics medium for about ten years because of that story.

Posted by Brian Reed on 2008-02-25 18:04:47
I veto Clone Saga. A couple stories were crap but there were some great ones.

Posted by sononsj on 2008-02-25 18:07:44
Amazing Spider-Man 130, the Spidermobile story. You can actually feel the writer's embarassment at writing that.

Posted by Jason M Bryant on 2008-02-25 18:31:22
One More Day - the most out-of-character Spidey and MJ ever.

Avengers Disassembled - all hell breaks loose and dozens of heroes hang around Avengers Mansion waiting to be picked off, rather than actually doing anything about Wanda.


Posted by Volthoom on 2008-02-25 18:32:35
My list
The X-Men 12 storyline issues 95-98 and Uncanny 376-379 Biggest let down in comic history. High profile story that was a mess.



Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-25 18:40:31
Wolverine 50-55 Pointless explanation of Wolverine having Lupine origins introducing the menacing Romulus oh how spooky and Sabretooth crying as his head gets lopped off.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-25 18:44:01
I veto Iredeemable Ant-Man. Overall the book was good and it gave you what it advertised.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-25 18:45:22
In three issues, E for Extinction not only created the concept of the mummudrai, non-corporeal parasites, composed solely of emotional energy born from the astral plane of existence, but also gave Charles Xavier one of them as a twin sister, which apparently he'd always had. It created secondary mutations because Colossus and his armored skin wasn't around, and had a giant robot fart on mutant island number one because someone hadn't come up with the idea of hitting reboot and using the Scarlet Wish to do it (which did the much needed job just fine). And not to diss Quietly's (Deighan)'s art, it was just not a pleasant change from Leinil Francis Yu. To be fair, the concept of the mummudrai is kind of cool, for the two and a half panels that Morrison actually explains it, but that doesn't really matter, because its how Xavier has a twin sister man so just flow with it, or something like that, right... All I'm saying is that in June of 2001 the X-Men took a creative change for a couple of years it seems, and I'm so very glad that it's all back to normal now.

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-25 19:02:23
Ultimates 3 and New Exiles.

These are all the more painful because I loved Ultimates 1 & 2 and most of the original Exiles.

Posted by tech knight on 2008-02-25 19:03:47
Ultimate Fantastic Four in russia fighting the tenfaced ape woman.

I veto Ultimates 3- only two issues, and while the constant splash pages irk me, I enjoy this new twist on the team.

Posted by stuckinazkaban on 2008-02-25 19:04:17
mre2u. Good point, not going to veto the 12, it should be veto'ed, but I'm not going to do it. But ur right, it really feels like it could have been fantastic, and it just seemed to fall apart as its getting good.

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-25 19:05:45
The first thing that came to mind...
Black Panther #'s 28-34. The whole "wrong turn on the inter-dimensional super highway" saga.

Posted by friskydingo on 2008-02-25 19:06:21
Kitty Pryde Agent of SHIELD - She's not really an agent, she never leaves the helicarrier, and this character is NOT Kitty Pryde.

US1 - I weep for the trees killed to print this thing.

I veto Avengers Disassembled - I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Posted by TimBaldwin on 2008-02-25 19:07:43
1) Civil War: The Initiative (the first part by Bendis)
The dialogue in this made my brain spasm and die.

2) Spider-Man: Back in Black
This was my re-introduction to new Spider-Man comics, and it was painful to read. Small but irritating errors abounded, and the movie-whoring was nothing short of shameful.

Posted by Vastion on 2008-02-25 19:09:23
Bad One
The Chuck Austen X-Men story about the exploding communion host. I actually don't have the hatred of Austen many do, but that story was for the birds!

Posted by dum dum dugan on 2008-02-25 19:18:30
It's not that I don't like Namor. I love him. I wish he was my Dad. But I am very protected of him.

Namor the Submariner 26-62 (1992-1995)

Namor 1-12 (2003-2004)

VETO: Secret Wars. Come on, this is what got the writers we read now into comics.





Posted by kyle-latino on 2008-02-25 19:30:07
I veto Namor run from 1992-1995. There was some good stuff in that book.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-25 19:39:41
Two and a veto
I am tempted to say "anything written by Chuck Austen" but that's not fair to him, nor does it fit the question.

I will say: X-Men the Magneto War (Uncanny # 366-367, X-Men 86-87), and Chuck Austen's run on Avengers v3 77-84 (I think it qualifies as one entry because it was both short and had the interspersed Wasp-Hawkeye tryst).

I veto Mutant X if you are talking about the entire run. I think the first six or so issues were actually pretty ok, before it quickly got derailed, formulaic, and just plain stinky.

Posted by cyke11 on 2008-02-25 19:40:36
Since one of my choices was already up there i'm gonna nominate Inifinity Crusade. I mean the whole Overly good character to the extent she is exactly evil was not done well there. Also the cosmic Egg thing was a joke.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-25 19:41:12
Tom, no one read MARVILLE, so how can anyone nominate it?

Avengers: The Crossing was AWFUL for plenty of reasons, the worst of which was turning Tony Stark into a lifelong brainwashed pawn of Kang and a murderer, then replacing him with teenage Tony, and making Kang the cause of all of Henry Pym's breakdowns. Come to think of it, has Tony been a Skrull since HEROES RETURN?

I suggest instead of the Clone Saga nominated altogether (as that encompasses the myriad multipart stories across all the books), there are a few *real* stinkers from that time that deserve mention, but Maximum Clonage and Revelations stink the most heinously, Clonage being a standout bc of its combining the apparent fondness for the pitiful Maximum Carnage story with the Jackal in full Joker-mode, and SPIDERCIDE, and Revelations for Deus ex Osborn.

SINS PAST - has to be mentioned here. Despite One More Day's vomit-inducing, Sins Past was by far the nadir of JMS's run on Amazing.

Secret Wars II - especially since the forced x-overs interrupted some good stories

Inferno - that story still hurts my brain to this day

Wolverine 50-55 - seconded

HEROES REBORN anyone?

VETO: Red Zone. It was a pretty fun Cap/Red Skull story, and probably the last fun story told in the original Avengers book.



Posted by procko983 on 2008-02-25 20:01:48
So far

1. 2099: World of Tomorrow
2. Avengers: Red Zone
3. Fantastic four 21
4. Amazing Spider-Man 130
5. One More Day
6. Wolverine 50-55
7. X-Men 12 story - issues 95-98 and Uncanny 376-379
8. E for Extinction
9. New Exiles
10. Ultimate Fantastic Four in russia fighting the tenfaced ape woman.
11. Black Panther #'s 28-34
12. Kitty Pryde Agent of SHIELD
13. US1
14. Namor 1-12 (2003-2004)
15. ? The Chuck Austen X-Men story about the exploding communion host.
16. X-Men the Magneto War (Uncanny # 366-367, X-Men 86-87)
17. Infinity Crusade 1-6

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-25 20:03:37
needs to be re updated as of procko983

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-25 20:05:53
Inferno was fantastic! That certain doesn't belong on the list.

I vote for all of Soldier X.

Posted by Rachel__Summers on 2008-02-25 20:23:53
Update
1. 2099: World of Tomorrow
2. Fantastic four 21
3. Amazing Spider-Man 130
4. One More Day
5. Wolverine 50-55
6. X-Men 12 story - issues 95-98 and Uncanny 376-379
7. E for Extinction
8. New Exiles
9. Ultimate Fantastic Four in russia fighting the tenfaced ape woman.
10. Black Panther #'s 28-34
11. Kitty Pryde Agent of SHIELD
12. US1
13. Namor 1-12 (2003-2004)
14. ? The Chuck Austen X-Men story about the exploding communion host.
15. X-Men the Magneto War (Uncanny # 366-367, X-Men 86-87)
16. Avengers v.3 77-84 - The Chuck Austen Run
17. Infinity Crusade 1-6
18. Soldier X
19. Maximum CLonage
20. Heroes Reborn
21. Sins Past

Posted by cyke11 on 2008-02-25 20:31:12
I think I need to call out Avengers West Coast #58 with Vibro in it...awful rushed fill-in issue during a strong story arc.

Is Street Poet Ray there? If not, that was ridiculous.

Posted by keense on 2008-02-25 20:47:29
Oh, and I'd like to Veto part of Heroes Reborn...FF and Iron Man weren't terrible. Not good.

Posted by keense on 2008-02-25 20:48:46
That's a tough one!
The easiest answer would be Avengers Disassembled and Civil War, because they were both so badly written that you wonder what's going on at Marvel that they allowed such amateurish work to be produced for their big events.

I'm not going with those, though.

Teen Tony and CapWolf get my votes.

Posted by Dusty. on 2008-02-25 20:51:36
to reiterate
since my last post disappeared, I just wanted to make sure that the following were definitely still on the list

1) Avengers The Crossing - created Teen Tony and Tony Stark (v1) the murderer/Kang puppet, among other things.

2) Amazing Spider-Man Sins Past - retconning stormin Norman getting with Gwen Stacy AND MJ never telling Peter about it.

3) Spider-Man Clone Saga's Maximum Clonage - nuff said.

Posted by procko983 on 2008-02-25 21:07:20
Veto ONE MORE DAY - it made sense from a character POV, the rewriting history is the only place it falters.

Veto Avengers: Disassembled - They talk things through, whats so strange about that?

I will add SPIDER-MAN: DISASSEMBLED - that was pretty bad

Posted by IanZL on 2008-02-25 21:16:57
I'm vetoing:

E for Extinction
FF 21
The Spider-Mobile story
Infinity Crusade
New Exiles
Maximum Clonage
Avengers West Coast 58
CapWolf

The updated list is:


1. 2099: World of Tomorrow
2. Street Poet Ray
3. One More Day
4. Wolverine 50-55
5. X-Men 12 story - issues 95-98 and Uncanny 376-379
6. Ultimate Fantastic Four in russia fighting the tenfaced ape woman.
7. Black Panther #'s 28-34
8. Kitty Pryde Agent of SHIELD
9. US1
10. Namor 1-12 (2003-2004)
11. ? The Chuck Austen X-Men story about the exploding communion host.
12. X-Men the Magneto War (Uncanny # 366-367, X-Men 86-87)
13. Avengers v.3 77-84 - The Chuck Austen Run
14. Soldier X
15. Sins Past
16. Marville
17. Rob Liefeld's Captain America

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-02-25 21:19:54
Update again:

1. 2099: World of Tomorrow
2. Street Poet Ray
3. Rob Liefeld's Captain America
4. Wolverine 50-55
5. X-Men 12 story - issues 95-98 and Uncanny 376-379
6. Ultimate Fantastic Four in russia fighting the tenfaced ape woman.
7. Black Panther #'s 28-34
8. Kitty Pryde Agent of SHIELD
9. US1
10. Namor 1-12 (2003-2004)
11. ? The Chuck Austen X-Men story about the exploding communion host.
12. X-Men the Magneto War (Uncanny # 366-367, X-Men 86-87)
13. Avengers v.3 77-84 - The Chuck Austen Run
14. Soldier X
15. Sins Past
16. Marville
17. Teen Tony
18. The Crossing
19. Spider-Man: Disassembled

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-02-25 21:23:46
hmmm
I liked Secret War. What 10 year old wouldn't? So in place of Secret War, I nominate....SECRET WAR II. Ugh!

I also nominate the story arc that made me quit collecting comics when I was a kid. Uncanny X-men in the Outback with Gateway. (Somewhere around 235, I think.) It completely removed the X-men from the core of their story and I just couldn't relate. But because of that, I missed all of the 90s!

Also, remember Spiderman Hookey? I was curious about Spider-Man so I tried to read this. Scared me off of the Spider-books completely.

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2008-02-25 21:26:57
My vetos
1. 2099: World of Tomorrow -i liked the use of the Phalanx
7. Black Panther #'s 28-34- i liked the marvel zombies part of this
17. Teen Tony- as a character and the stories that he was involved in werent all bad. Cant blame the teen tony stories on the fact they replace the original.
18. The Crossing- I actually enjoyed much of the crossing.


Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-25 21:39:58
two more then
well considering there were apparently fans of Spidercide and Tony Stark, Murderer...here's two more story stinkers.

1. Spider-Man "Time Bomb" Another weak spot in the Clone Saga, Jackal programs clone Peter (but he wasn't the clone) to attack MJ (did they ever explain that?), and Sal Buscema's art was just really off at this point.

2. Spider-Man "Revelations" - "THE RETURN OF THE ONE TRUE SPIDER-MAN" hurriedly killed off Ben Reilly, an event some say removed a "single Peter" from the Spidey books, brought back Norman Osborn abruptly AND had Norman be the "mastermind" behind oodles of events that had plagued Spidey for years.

Posted by procko983 on 2008-02-25 21:49:24
I nominate issue
181 of X-Men where Havok and Polaris meet Daap and get wooshed away to apoclaypse's and daap is completely forgotten. The lead in to the dreadful Blood of Apocalypse story which will be added at a later date if somehow this issue gets vetoed.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-25 21:52:00
Vetoing:

Ultimate FF vs. Ape Lady - Campy Yes. Awful? Well, I've certainly seen worse.
Soldier X - Not a Cable book, certainly, but a decent stranger in a strange land book of the kind that are almost unheard of in the superhero soaked market. But again, if you were expecting the previous Cable, I'd certainly understand your frustration.
The Crossing - I actually thought it was a decent murder mystery, and the Iron Man reveal was pretty unexpected (and therefore, ok.). It's consequences were terrible, but that's not really it's fault.

I second (not that this matters): Austen's X-men and the recent Namor book.

I nominate:

Spider-Woman #33, The premiere of Turner D. Century. (Do yourself a favor and check him out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_D._Century)

NFL SUPERPRO. The quintessentially bad comic! Although, it may be so legendary in its badness that's it's acquired a sort of camp classic.

C'mon, guys, don't just list the stuff that's been honking you off recently! Don't neglect the hilariously bad comics of yesteryear!


Posted by Muldrate on 2008-02-25 21:52:16
i'm trying to be more mainstream because not everyone has read the obscure stuff to know if it was bad.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-25 21:55:27
I'm gonna veto the Crossing.

Given my AWC was vetoed, I'm going with an old Thor issue (can't remember the number, I bought it as an Australian b/w reprint) where a souped up car was knocking down buildings as an insurance fraud rip-off. Not a Thor story at all.

Posted by keense on 2008-02-25 22:03:30
aye
1.) every spider-man issue written by Straczynski...stay away from Peter!

2.) I veto Ultimates 3...while I agree that its crap at least there was actual FIGHTING in issue 2...how often to we get to see super heroes fight these days? usually they are content to have soap opera talk fests.

Posted by FaceInYourCrowd on 2008-02-25 22:23:54
I'm gonna veto Wolverine 50-55, i enjoyed about half of the issues and didn't entirely despise the other half. Plus Bianchi's art is miraculous at best and just merely better than 90% of all other artists at worst. now for two of my own...

X-Treme X-Men "The Arena" story arc. entirely pointless plot by claremont, horrific art by Kordey and...um...callisto's tentacles. yeah.

Blood of Apocalypse in X-Men. lamest apocalypse story in history. and i dont know what larroca was doing, but ive liked his art in every other story he's drawn and these issues were unbearable.

Posted by cryhavok01 on 2008-02-25 22:38:30
Veto or Not
Wether you want to hear it or not. I dont care. I posted once when it came out. You removed the post so I expect the same treatment..
but, Here goes
I bought marvel comic books exclusively for 25 years was looking forward to passing my collection over to my son. I have not bought a single comic book since Brand New Day and probably never will. I know I am not you demographic so you dont care. So i stopped caring as well. Maybe I care a little but I will never buy another comic book again.



Posted by romanpas on 2008-02-25 22:56:37
Good choice with Blood of Apocalypse in X-Men. Completely agree with cryhavok01.

1) World's End. UXM 455-459. Hey, I have an idea, let's change them into dinosaurs.
2) Golgotha. X-men 166-170. God... Five issues... This really lasted five issues!

I'm vetoing the Magneto War too, the scene where Summers tells Logan that he agrees that they can take them, right after showing off... That was pretty tight. Vetoing every spider-man issue written by Straczynski. The black issue is.... In fact, you know what, the black issue should be considered above a classic.

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-25 23:16:08
10 Stinkers
It was going to be "The Crossing" and "Timeslide" but that's changed. Now, for me, it has to be "One More Day" and "Brand New Day." Sorry. I've been reading several Marvels a month since Fantastic Four #3 so I think I have a pretty good perspective. I absolutely hated "One More Day" and "Brand New Day." Hasn't Marvel ever heard of "young marrieds?" Even married Peter and MJ
seemed much much younger than Superman or Batman. I figured
Peter for around 26 and remember DC saying Superman was eternally 29, and then upping that a bit around the time Byrne took over.

Posted by Steve M on 2008-02-25 23:16:37
"ultimate"ly worst
i nominate:
ultimate marvel team up
the art just made me sick

Posted by peterparker4907 on 2008-02-25 23:26:37
hmmm....
I guess I'm gonna have to go with

1) One More Day. Just not a big fan. Pretty lame.
2) Cap-Wolf. Rest in Peace Mark Gruenwald. This one just wasn't very good.
3) Clone Saga. Yep that just about covers it.
4) Onslaught.
5) Teenage Tony Stark.

Posted by JamesOliva on 2008-02-25 23:34:14
My Votes
1) X-MEN: "The Draco" & "She Lies with Angels" --- The epitome of bad Chuck Austen X-Men
2) Fightbolts --- Ruined a perffectly good title for this!?!?

Posted by Binaryan on 2008-02-25 23:41:50
Updated list
Seems one of the lists disappeared

Current non vetoed stinkers-

1, The X-Men 12 storyline issues 95-98 and Uncanny 376-379 Biggest let down in comic history. High profile story that was a mess.
2. US1
3. Kitty Pryde Agent of SHIELD
4. Namor 1-12 (2003-2004)
5. The Chuck Austen X-Men story about the exploding communion host. ?
6. Chuck Austen's run on Avengers v3 77-84
7. Spider-Man "Time Bomb"
8. Spider-Man "Revelations" - "THE RETURN OF THE ONE TRUE SPIDER-MAN"
9. 181 of X-Men where Havok and Polaris meet Daap and get wooshed away to apoclaypse's and daap is completely forgotten. The lead in to the dreadful Blood of Apocalypse story
10. NFL Superpro
11. Secret Wars 2
12. Spider-Woman #33, The premiere of Turner D. Century. (Do yourself a favor and check him out here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_D._Century)
13. X-Treme X-Men "The Arena" story arc. entirely pointless plot by claremont, horrific art by Kordey and...um...callisto's tentacles. yeah
14. Blood of Apocalypse in X-Men.
15.ultimate marvel team up
16. X-MEN: "The Draco"
17. "She Lies with Angels"

Dont know why so many posts have disappeared. Any mistakes feel free to mention clone saga, capwolf, teenage tony,omd have already been vetoed before.


Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-25 23:59:00
The Green Gwendolin and more
Two things have made me quit reading Spiderman in my life... One (Clone Saga) has been veto'd and re-voted already. The other is when they decided that Norman Osbourne had had an affair with Gewn Stacy. And she had twins. And they had powers. And they grew really really fast. But then they melted or something like that.

My 2nd choice is the final issue of Dr Strange Master of the Mystic Arts. It takes a jump forward from the previous issue but is kind enough to provide flashbacks to things we haven't seen... then they wrap up what must have been several additional issues of planned storyline in the remaining pages. In the end, the Sanctum Santorium is still destroyed, his apprentice is still a popcicle and by the end of the issue NOTHING HAS BEEN RESOLVED! I think the good doctor still has to find out what is wrong w/ Green Bull Boy TO THIS DAY!

And whoever put US 3 up here should go to the top of the pile.



Posted by jpdamn on 2008-02-25 23:59:20
My new vetoes
You cant just blatantly comment on a whole series as being awful because I thought many of the issues of Ultimate Marvel Team up were great.

Veto Ultimate Marvel Team up
Veto She lies with Angels I thought it was well done as a decent Romeo and Juliet type story. At least now the two of them are in heaven happy together.


Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 00:01:11
Veto "The Draco". Wasn't great, but at least he tried.

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-26 00:27:47
That's strange. A bunch of posts disappeared.

I nominated all of Soldier X.


Posted by Rachel__Summers on 2008-02-26 03:58:46
Chuck Austen's "She Lies With Angels". WTF? I've always loved Shakespeare with a passion, and that was not only NOT at all Shakespeare in any way, but also it was horrible horrible writing.

Loeb's "Ultimates 3", which should be subtitled "Or, how I learned to stop worrying and babyishly ignore any and all of the traditions of the Ultimate Universe and continuity and characterisation established by previous writers".

Posted by The Gecko on 2008-02-26 04:30:43
I'm vetoing Chuck Austen's Avengers. I didn't read all of it but what I did really wasn't that bad. And the artwork was universally excellent.

Also vetoing Ultimate Marvel Team-Up, I have no clue why that's up there - that was a truly terrific book.

Re-vetoing Ultimates 3. For one, it isn't over yet, and for another, I'm quite liking it.

Can't see a veto for One More Day or Brand New Day so I'm vetoing those. OMD ended up a bit of a mess but it had a lot of really nice moments and the overall structure made sense. BND is just good comics, and doesn't deserve to be anywhere near this list.

I'm vetoing "Sins Past" (most of it was great!) but "Sins Remembered" can stay on the list in its stead.

Since Secret Wars has inexplicably been vetoed, "My Enemy's Enemy" from Web of Spider-Man #97-100 can join in its stead. Even though I'd like to nominate the whole damn run of that title. What a load of crap!

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-02-26 04:58:38
If we're vetoing "The Draco" because "at least he tried", I'm going to veto One More Day because the art was beautiful and some of the emotional moments were pulled off perfectly. It's just rude to say a comic was a bad work of art because you disagree with the story on principle.

Also vetoing to whoever suggested the whole Straczynski Spidey run. It may not have been universally perfect, but especially in the beginning there were some great stories.

Posted by nickmb on 2008-02-26 05:01:20
I'd like to nominate the first 12 months or so of the Mackie/Byrne/Romita Jr "volume 2" relaunch of the Spidey titles from 2001. People who say "One More Day" is the worst Spidey relaunch you can get just haven't read those.

Posted by nickmb on 2008-02-26 05:03:21
If we're vetoing, I'd definitely like to add a veto to 'Sins Past' and 'One More Day'; most of the bad reviews it gets comes from the bitterness of fans who ddin't like the decisions made for the plots. However, the writing style and illustration was all top-notch, a status I've come to expect from JMS, Mike Deodato, and Joe Q.

Posted by The Gecko on 2008-02-26 05:43:10
i'm vetoing Ultimates 3 as well - it's not over, you can't say it's a stinker till it's finished!

My votes:
Civil War: The Return - just a waste...
Scott Lobdell's fill-in run on Excalibur was dire with bad art (may it never be collected)


Posted by NewChad on 2008-02-26 05:46:51
1. Lobdell's run on Excalibur after Davis left, starting with #68. Taking everything that made Excalibur unique and fun and flushing it away to make it just another X-title.

2. Teen Tony Stark -- Nuff Said.

Posted by ljacone on 2008-02-26 06:41:31
1. Spider-Man Disassembled. That's the one where Peter TURNS INTO A SPIDER, just so that he can end up with organic web-shooters and the ability to have conversations with insects. Boo!

2. Civil War: Front Line #11. Where Captain America is criticized of being un-American for not using MySpace, and Iron Man is praised for being a maniacal supervillain. This issue totally ruined the character of Tony Stark, and instantly made everyone on the internet hate its protagonist, Sally Floyd.


I veto the Spider-Mobile story. The silliness made it fun, I thought.

I also veto the Black Panther Skrull story. It was a fun bunch of chase scenes. I wouldn't mind reading that again.

I veto Back in Black. It's all well written. Plus, the side titles were really good while under that banner.

I veto Civil War: The Initiative. It's too insubstantial to stink. All it is is an advertisement for a few comics. And as an advertisement, it's not bad. So I've gotta take it off the list even though I couldn't tolerate the cheesecake-y art.



Posted by MoriartyL on 2008-02-26 07:04:54
Some of my posts disappeared...
Fine, If you won't let me bomb the entire Chuck Austen Avengers run, I will re-nominate the Lionheart of Avalon storyline. He still deserves to be in that list.

And I am bummed someone vetoed the Draco "because he tried". What kind of an argument is that? If it bombed, it bombed...



Posted by cyke11 on 2008-02-26 07:23:38
If we're still voting then I veto : the first 12 months or so of the Mackie/Byrne/Romita Jr "volume 2" relaunch of the Spidey titles from 2001. Byrne art is always pretty to look at.

Posted by bomaya on 2008-02-26 07:23:44
E is for Extinction
New X-Men has been vetoed before, but I'm re-vetoing the renomination of E for Extinction.

Posted by Ovid on 2008-02-26 08:17:12
Updated List
Alright, I'm going to try to actually help more this time. Even though giving this much power to the masses messes things up, it's terribly fun and amusing. Much like many of these choice below:

1) The X-Men 12 storyline issues 95-98 and Uncanny 376-379 Biggest let down in comic history. High profile story that was a mess.
2) US1
3) Kitty Pryde Agent of SHIELD
4) Namor 1-12 (2003-2004)
5) The Chuck Austen X-Men story about the exploding communion host. ?
6) Chuck Austen's run on Avengers v3 77-84
7) Spider-Man "Time Bomb"
8) Spider-Man "Revelations" - "THE RETURN OF THE ONE TRUE SPIDER-MAN"
9) 181 of X-Men where Havok and Polaris meet Daap and get wooshed away to apoclaypse's and daap is completely forgotten. The lead in to the dreadful Blood of Apocalypse story
10) NFL Superpro
11) Secret Wars 2
12) Spider-Woman #33, The premiere of Turner D. Century.
13) X-Treme X-Men "The Arena" story arc. entirely pointless plot by claremont, horrific art by Kordey and...um...callisto's tentacles. yeah
14) Blood of Apocalypse in X-Men.
15) Doctor Strange Master of the Mystic Arts Last Issue
16) Excalibur #68+
17) Spider-Man Disassembled.

I have no idea how to write down bomaya's choice, sorry. I was even a bit iffy with #68+, but I'm just blindly going along...

Alright, MY choices:

18) Blade #1. It has Dracula being treated like trash for NO reason, a lame appearance by Spider-Man who gets whomped and then carted off as a VAMPIRE, oh but "don't worry about him, his blood is radioactive" and it's the start of a cheap, worthless series based on how powerful and cool Blade is and nothing more.

19) Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1. This is the beginning of the travesty that is Spider-Man's marriage. Thankfully, that helpful little OMD thing wiped that out! Yes, I'm really voting for this, cause the opposite voice has to be heard some how.

Posted by PseudoSherlock on 2008-02-26 08:18:27
Nomination
...and nominate the first six issues of Reiber's Captain America.

Posted by Ovid on 2008-02-26 08:20:01
Something seriously wrong with this blog
A ton of posts are just disappearing. What is going on with that?

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 08:29:04
I veto Lionheart of Avalon. I thought that was Chuck's best work on the Avengers.
I veto Blade 1 I've read much worse single issue stories. That to me wasnt awful.
I veto Ecalibur 68+ the whole x-men revamp was only reason I started buying Excalibur again.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 08:33:01
just...
just don't call me 'boy' please

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-26 08:45:12
Don't veto Excalibur 68+ - just veto the bits you loved. I loved Ellis' stuff from 83 onward.

Posted by NewChad on 2008-02-26 09:18:22
VETO VETO VETO!
-NFL Superpro. How dare they try and reach a non comics audience.

-The Chuck Austen "storyline about the exploding communion host". I liked it.

Posted by Dave James on 2008-02-26 09:22:08
?
All right I'll veto Amazing Spider-Man Annual #21. It wasn't a great story but it was a lot better than OMD, which is one of the most hared Spider stories ever, but for some reason is safe because of a veto.

Posted by JamesOliva on 2008-02-26 09:31:16
Nomination
My memory's always terrible for this sort of thing, and I'll remember 5 other things only days after voting's over.

But I'll nominate TOMB OF DRACULA, the '90s sequel miniseries (not the superb original!) I was hoping for great things, and it even reunited the original creative team, but I found it to be shockingly awful. Even Colan's art had a downside, with its bizarre depiction of Dracula with a bad case of "Venom Tongue."

Posted by suedenim on 2008-02-26 09:35:52
Posts disappearing
Don't worry about your posts disappearing. It happens all the time on this site. Eventually the posts will re-emerge. You aren't being censored or blocked out. It's just a glitch on this page that happens all the time. My guess is that when comics are 3.99 each, they will hire somebody to fix it.

Here's one to add to the list. Transformers: Headmasters mini. Oh yes. I have.

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2008-02-26 09:38:57
Unless someone's vetoed it and I'm just not seeing that post (which by the sound of things is quite likely), PseudoSherlock forgot my nomination of Front Line 11.

Posted by MoriartyL on 2008-02-26 09:46:46
Since Black Panther #'s 28-34 were vetoed...
I nominate:

World War Hulk: Front Line

Posted by friskydingo on 2008-02-26 09:51:15
Has anyone nominated...
House of M? Because I'd like that to be considered for one of the worst stories.

I love Bendis, but everything except for the art was off in this mini-series. The pacing was slow, the "No More Mutants" seemed tacked on at the end, and Layla Mulligan was created(okay PAD has made her worthwhile, but in House of M she was dull).


Posted by egotrip02 on 2008-02-26 10:42:05
oh and I just thought I'd add...
Cassandra Nova was Xavier's Mummundrai. She merely presented herself as a twin sister of Xavier.

Posted by egotrip02 on 2008-02-26 10:45:26
I veto House of M. It was nice to see a world where everyone got exactly what they wanted. The drama between Magneto and his children was pretty good. And through it all, even when it was clichéd or tacked-on, it wasn't badly written. So it might not be a masterpiece, but it's certainly no stinker.

Posted by MoriartyL on 2008-02-26 10:53:39
I know this will never get the votes...
but I have to nominate volume 2 of The Knights of Pendragon. The original series was years ahead of its time in terms of dealing with the ecological impact of mankind on the planet and is one of my favourite books of all time.

The second volume was criminally bad, turning the KoP into a generic costumed super-team.

Posted by ukdavew on 2008-02-26 11:01:09
I can't believe no one mentioned
the first time Aunt May was brought back from the dead after she "died" in Amazing #400. And the worst story ever had to be Spider-Man The Other. It was totally pointless and Spidey mutating into Wolverine with those rediculous stingers was absolutely atrocious.

Posted by jjp69 on 2008-02-26 11:08:10
Spiderman the other: aunt May and MJ wearing Iron Man’s armors? Not even Mephisto overcomes that!

Infinity war: Not just awful, long and sooo boring.


Posted by freyes2000 on 2008-02-26 11:12:51
I think that the Daap thing from X-men 181 should be included in the blood of apoc storyline. That's not vetoing it, but it really is the same story in a way.
Also not sure if the 12 storyline should be in there. Its only failure was terrible art and ruining what could have been one of the greatest concepts, which had been worked towards since creation, that sadly just didn't live up to expectations. It could have been great, but it wasn't. Someone should veto it.

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-26 11:15:17
Front Line
It certainly does look like I missed it. But it was probably vetoed later, and disappeared. A LOT of posts seem to be missing this time around. It's making it pretty confusing...

Posted by PseudoSherlock on 2008-02-26 11:17:29
1) The X-Men 12 storyline issues 95-98 and Uncanny 376-379 Biggest let down in comic history. High profile story that was a mess.
2) US1
3) Kitty Pryde Agent of SHIELD
4) Namor 1-12 (2003-2004)
5) Spider-Man "Time Bomb"
6) Spider-Man "Revelations" - "THE RETURN OF THE ONE TRUE SPIDER-MAN"
7) Secret Wars 2
8) Spider-Woman #33, The premiere of Turner D. Century.
9) X-Treme X-Men "The Arena" story arc. entirely pointless plot by claremont, horrific art by Kordey and...um...callisto's tentacles. yeah
10) Blood of Apocalypse in X-Men.
11) Doctor Strange Master of the Mystic Arts Last Issue
12) Spider-Man Disassembled.
13) ASM Annual #1
14) 1'st six of of what's his names Cap
15) Tomb of Drac (hasn't this been vetoed before?)
16) Front Line 11

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-26 11:25:07
C'mon, how hasn't anyone nominated Spider-Man: Chapter One, yet? I nominate Chapter One.

And it appears it may have been vetoed, but I veto Liefeld's Cap. I thought subbing the ice block for a family of LMDs was an interesting take. The Falcon oral blood transfusion, I could've done with out.

Posted by johnlewis on 2008-02-26 11:53:12
12 storyline in uncanny x-men was good when it was executed? Did I miss that? I want to read which 12 story you are talking about, The art would have been the only thing worthwhile cus the story there was utter trash

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 11:56:34
nominees
1. Logan: Path of the Warlord - Here was a chance to get a glimpse of Wolverine pre-Weapon X...But we were left with a very shallow storyline and lousy artwork

2. Amalgam Comics- I don't mind Marvel and DC characters fighting...but when their bodies merge with eachother its just going too far...

And though it may upset some people, I am vetoing the Blood of Apocalypse storyline... This storyline helped to touch on the general feeling of confusion following M Day. Gambit switching sides led to his arrival with the Marauders and I feel that until he get a little more face time, the jury is still out on that. And if nothing else, it gave Sunfire his sweet Age of Apocalypse look...


Posted by theguymsu on 2008-02-26 11:59:11
Spiderman: the Evil that Men do. And to think we had to wait to read that piece of…

Posted by freyes2000 on 2008-02-26 12:15:25
Veto
I'll veto Amalgam Comics, which I genuinely enjoyed on the whole. A few individual issues were stinkers and perhaps eligible, but overall it was a hoot.

Posted by suedenim on 2008-02-26 12:22:12
theguymsu. Go read an old-school apocalypse book...

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-26 12:25:09
Since I think it went unnoticed the first time it was nominated, here's a vote for Thunderbolts - Fight Club. It had nothing to do with the solid TBolts book they interrupted for it AND the story itself was bad.

Also Spider-Man Final Chapter (the last multiparter before the reboot) was dreadful.

Posted by procko983 on 2008-02-26 12:30:53
the entire run of X-Statix was horrid. The only joy I got out of it was when everyone died at the end.

Posted by sapupula on 2008-02-26 12:33:01
Seriously im re nominating issue 181 of X-Men which was mostly about DAAP the green booger that polaris went ga ga for. And no it wasnt labeled as part of the Blood of Apocalypse story.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 12:36:55
Of what I've seen here, I'll backup and vote for:

Spider-Man Chapter 1. It was just useless and will never be referred to again.

and for a single issue:

ROM #53. I loved Rom, and over the run was great! But that 1 issue was sooooooo disappointing. It's supposed to be the big battle issue that had been building the whole run, and it looked awful! Not only that, it's shocking because it had Ditko and P. Craig Russell on art! I think it was the colorists fault, but it's the worst thing you ever looked at. And it's twice as bad because of the buildup.

And I liked THE TWELVE story in the X-Men, Secret Wars, Morrison's New X-Men, and a lot of the other stuff that people seem to not have liked that's recent such as: WWHulk Frontline, Civil War stuff, anythign Chuck Austin did, and Rob Liefeld stuff (ok, I don't love him, but lots of others at the time did). So I'd veto that.

That's my $.02 for the moment.

Posted by pmpknface on 2008-02-26 13:06:59
Nominate Wolverine:Origins 1-15 (only stopping there because that was as far as I got before I gave up). Terribly writing, and slapdash artwork - have backgrounds become illegal?

Nominate Fantastic Four v1, from about 113 to 231 - a truly epic run of (at best) barely readable comics

I'd also nominate Wolverine 50-55 (if so many hadn't already done so) and Secret Wars II (already done)

Posted by GS ManThing on 2008-02-26 13:22:55
2 or the worst
Well my top 2 choices jms run on spidey and onslaught have already been said, Im going to have to go with liefeld's terrible
1.) Onslaught reborn
and
2.) infinity crusade

Posted by jvshaft on 2008-02-26 13:29:59
GS ManThing
You got through 15 of those stinkers? Did you think you were going to get a purple heart? I was one and done on that Origin Series.

Wolverine 50 made me drop Wolverine cold. Haven't been back. I am a Wolverine fan!

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2008-02-26 13:36:10
I nominate Spider-Man: The Other, or at least the issues where Morlun eats Peter's eye and then Peter later bites his head off. A horrible story on so many levels, made that much worse by the fact they made 'Ringo draw it. He did a great job, as always, but I always felt he must have hated drawing that crap.

Posted by joeshan on 2008-02-26 13:54:34
someone should re-do this, re-check 'em, and see where we're at.

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-26 14:09:23
Re-nominations of stuff that's been vetoed... Boo.

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-26 14:09:59
Veto and 2 Nominations
Veto -- Spider-Man Revelations - This was a good end to the long clone saga and Norman's return while unexpected ending up being nice

Nominate: What If? #100 - I don't know what this mess was supposed to be with Gambit and Mr. Sinister

The Fight Club version of the Thunderbolts from 75-80?

Posted by Suiter on 2008-02-26 14:10:37
Veto
I veto X-statix. That comic was a lot of fun. While I'll agree it was not as interesting or funny when it was X-force, I still enjoyed it.

Posted by egotrip02 on 2008-02-26 14:26:32
spiderman the other
I agree with you joeshan, spiderman the other was absolutely terrible, but i dont know if it will count since somebody vetoed jms run on amazing.

Posted by jvshaft on 2008-02-26 14:46:34
oops
I just seen someone had already nominated infinity crusade and it got shot down, my bad. In its place,

1.) The system bytes (punsiher, DD, wonderman, guardians of the galaxy annuals) 1991 or 1992 I think

Posted by jvshaft on 2008-02-26 15:01:56
More Nominations and I second that for the Nt
Well I remember a Cap story 'The Superia Stratagem' if I'm not wrong where the villain is trying to turn the whole population of the world into Women..... very silly, way more so than the Capwolf story.
Almost any of the Horror books of the 90s like Spirits of Vengeance, Morbius and Darkhold were pretty horrible in the wrong way.
Wolverine 50-55 - Sabretooth must return no way did he deserve to exit continuity going 'Grrr' 'Arrr' and 'Grrr' again for good measure.
I'm sure I've read worse but I've probably blacked it out of my mind................





Posted by GreatGraeme on 2008-02-26 15:17:18
Worst comics
I don't think I've seen them so I want to nominate Spiderman : Reign (even Mephisto is a better way to end the marriage than this)
and Bruce Jones Hulk (in which the title character often fails to appear for multiple issues in a row)

Posted by izzatrix on 2008-02-26 15:18:53
>> Bigdaddyhub
I'm obsessive - it takes a lot to make me drop a series once I've started - but that sucked from issue 1, and I kicked myself every time I bought it it thinking "surely it must get better soon..." Doh!

W50- was about the most stupid Wolverine story I've ever read.

Posted by GS ManThing on 2008-02-26 15:27:24
it would be better to nominate individual stories rather than full runs cus someone is bound to like something in 20 issues.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 16:14:02
I veto Spider-Man:Reign. I thought that was enjoyable enough to avoid a place on this list

Posted by joeshan on 2008-02-26 16:27:56
We could veto specific stories from someone's run...

Posted by freyes2000 on 2008-02-26 17:09:42
I can't keep up
but I'll just second or third or fourth whatever Wolverine 50-55. Not only is that the worst Wolverine story ever written, it's one of the worst Marvel arcs I've ever seen. Not as far as writing skill goes, but I can't believe the editors let this plot through. It's probably the only time in my history with Marvel comics where I've actually said "Ok, that didn't happen. No matter what they said, that was some kind of weird what if story." I can put up with a lot...but man, was that silly, dumb, etc.

Nothing else even comes close to the Wolverine arc, so with that as the standard bearer I'm not sure what else to nominate.

Oh, how about the Thunderbolts semi-re-launch as an uber-lame fighting book with no right to the name?

If Mutant X is still on the chopping block I'll veto that, I really enjoyed it and wish it had longer to run - hey at least Havok got out of Cyclops' shadow! It was also one of the only super-hero comics I've ever been able to get my wife to read & enjoy.

Apologies if I've annoyed anyone by re-nominating, it's very difficult to tell what's alive and dead right now.


Posted by onefinemess on 2008-02-26 17:13:55
this is writing?
Renominate Holy War aka Chuck Austen's exploding communion host, because the religious part was inaccurate
Ultimates 3, because Loeb ignored the character designs and developments of the past two volumes (after three issues it cant be saved so dont veto it)

Posted by mace randu on 2008-02-26 17:43:25
Princess Di and XStatix
The whole Princess Diana back from the dead storyline was terrible. It was a lame, cheap marketing ploy by Marvel that effectively killed a book that up until that point was fun.

Posted by mickel5555 on 2008-02-26 18:11:08
My picks for worst stories
-NFL Superpro. OHHHHH NO YOU DON'T! You're not getting out of the list that easy! Reaching out to a different audience is no excuse for sucking that much! It was full of plotholes you could run a defensive lineman through, it had corny dialogue that would make John Madden blush and characters more stereotypically comical than a Quarterback's trophy wife! Are those football puns working for you? Get back in there!

-Heroes Reborn. That was just... plain... aweful.

I'd also like to veto The New Exiles off the list, on account that it's only two issues in. One thing for sure... it better pick up in a hurry... or else.

Posted by DRock1 on 2008-02-26 18:11:10
I Veto half of the books in the 1970's FF run
...and I'm not telling u which ones but u get Galactus a few times, Much Doom & the Silver Surfer... A normal Ben Grimm, a vs. The Hulk... there's some good stuff in there. And we could always give it the "Seventies Defence." It was the 70's... just glad the books survived the era at all!

Posted by jpdamn on 2008-02-26 18:13:18
Web of Spiderman
I realise WOS wasen't the greatest of the Spidy sagas but when someone has the guts to write a story about Spider-Man teaming up with not one but two Frog-Men to take on the villenous duo of the Walrus and the White Rabbit...well that in and of it's self deserves a veto.
As far as bad comics go...was it my imagination or was Contest of Champions II just an excuse to turn the Marvel Universe into one giant Jerry Springer episode.
Also...any Spider-Man story starring the Grizzley. (5 points if you remember him.)

Posted by jasonrreeves on 2008-02-26 18:14:08
Nominations?
Don't know if anyone mentioned this but what about Spider-man: Chapter One? The book that almost killed the chances of Ultimate Spider-man because it was so awful?

I veto Soldier X.

I nominate Chris Claremont's return to the X-universe (issue 100 of X-men I think). It was the beginning of the end for the X-men and was thankfully saved by Grant Morrison.

I nominate X-Treme X-Men, Claremont's Excalibur, New Excalibur, New Exiles, and X-Men the End by Claremont. Sense a trend?

I also nominate One More Day, Bruce Jones Hulk-run (Which made no sense) and Heroes Reborn.

I've got a lot left in me.

Posted by Lazarus on 2008-02-26 18:21:15
Sorry
Didn't mean to post that three times...my mouse stutters, but since I'm here...Any issus involving She-Thing or Solo "While I live Terror Dies" How many Punisher Clones do we really need? I actually liked Secret Wars II in a twisted kinda way (Michael Jackson hairdo notwithstanding.) But Ending it with Iron-Man killing a baby? Not Marvel's finest hour.

Posted by jasonrreeves on 2008-02-26 18:58:14
I nominate:
1. Spider-Man: One More Day (a thin story with a rotten ending)
2. Spider-Man: Sins of the Past (if you want to have a bitter taste in your mouth, try chewing on sweaty old socks instead)
3. Death of Captain America (HOW DARE YOU!)

Posted by Big Thunder on 2008-02-26 19:02:56
10 worst
1. Spiderman Dissassembled
2. One more day/Brand New Day
3. Blood of Apocalypse in X-Men.
4.Kitty Pryde Agent of SHIELD

Posted by glaizerbeam on 2008-02-26 19:09:03
I agree with Thomas More that re-nominating vetoed books seems cheap and not even really allowable by the rules. Going by the classics thread, the point was to see if we could get any sort of unanimity on the famously divisive internet. Ergo, once it's out, it's out.

(Although I do appreciate Drock1 for having my back on NFL Superpro. Would all of those sports-enthusiasts who got into comics based on this haunting tale of this unsung hero and his superpowered football uniform please raise their hands?

I rest my case.

Not that it matters. I don't care if Marvel thought the book would cure cancer; the nobility of the intentions don't stop it from being hysterically bad.

Incidently, the writer's reason for it's existence: "here I am, doing a friend a favor, bailing them out of a jam with the licensor, writing an innocuous little licensed comic aimed at kids, maybe getting to score some tickets to a Jets game."

Nonetheless, a veto is a veto, and if someone liked it, which is not exactly clear at this point, then it should stay out.)

Veto: Bruce Jones' Hulk. Problematic, to be sure, but it started strong and had some good atmospheric moments.

Veto: Death of Cap. There are many reasons why in the "classics" thread, where it was also nominated.

Posted by Muldrate on 2008-02-26 19:29:21
My choices of "Stinkers"
Lots of good choices for the stinkers......

Anyway, I like to add to the list of bad comics are Issues #56-#62 of POWER PACK.......

Trying to made these issues as 'edge' as the way most of the Marvel Knights titles are now was a major mistake to make for the "World's youngest team" {at the time} IMHO....

Anyway, add this and I'll second the nomination for THUNDERBOLTS #76-#81....

Posted by PaxHouse on 2008-02-26 19:52:37
I cannot believe that "The Draco" was given a pass. The story was wretched, only to be topped by what is possibly the worst X-Men story ever-"Blood of Apocalypse", ironically enough also given a pass. Just because someone else took some of its elements and turned into something better, does not make it any less painful to read.
My nominations-
Daredevil "Fall from Grace" Too many cameos, the bad armor and I still cannot believe that is the same Scott McDaniel on art
Force Works-not that avengers West Coast was ever really that good, but this incarnation was pretty bad. I wonder if Jim Cheung ever talks about working on that title.

Posted by lionsfan05 on 2008-02-26 21:11:34
i double veto " the Draco" one of my favorite x stories period. as a matter a fact i felt 2002-2004 x men was one of the best runs in a long time. im still hoping the books will return to a format similar to that one soon, cause its been wierd lately, like messiah complex tho.

One More Day may have wonkied up continuity some what, but Brand New Day is pure spider-man even if he is coming out of of brand new day and so far has made me very happy.

i will however nominate a "Spider-man Vs. Wolverine" one shot from the early 90's, id have to go digging to find everything about it, but it has to do with spidey having a fight with wolverine for like a page because he thot he was a imposter (apperntly wolvie was supposed to be dead or something). then they go save a lil girl from some attrociously 90's mutants who as far as i know never show up again thank god. i liked it as a kid but ive re read recently and its just sooo bad.

Posted by zinjak on 2008-02-26 21:42:00
I'm vetoing 'Heroes Reborn' (but only FF and Iron Man) - i liked it. It got me reading FF and Iron Man. Sure Cap and Avengers were rancid, but the other two were fun with great art.

Posted by NewChad on 2008-02-27 04:52:42
avengers and spiderman
I vote for Avengers Disassembled a realy bad and unnecessary story. And the follow up New Avengers is even worse. Stories are boring not realy telling something nothing ever happens in this only a lot of talk. The art in this series downhill since Civil War. Storyline even worse than before. The Mighty Avengers good art bad story telling. Nothing realy happens in this one either.
Well I guess vote Brian Bendis as worst writer.

Spiderman: The Other
One more day and the followup. Totally out of character making a deal with Mephisto. The only postive thing about the new stories. We seem to have gotten rid of all the crap like internal webbing, spikes and other enhanced powers. But why Harry Osborn had to return..... or this back in time feel.... is beyond me.
Spider-Man: Sins of the Past - what shamefull story this was. Could have been a good story except for the Gwen stacey bit.
The Heroes reborn story line gets my vote too.

Captain America almost the complete Marvel knights run. with exception of the last 10 or so.

New X-Men #114-154 + 2001 Annual. Terrible run
Fantastic Four the Walt Simonson's run

Veto: Web of spiderman was very nice run.

Posted by oppeneer on 2008-02-27 05:40:57
Did anyone actually READ Web of Spider-Man? Most of these stories being cited as reasons for veto weren't even in that title! I note that the story "My Enemy's Enemy" hasn't been specifically vetoed; I insist that it remains on the cards. It's TERRIBLE.

Nominating the 1995 Spider-Man Super-Specials too... Planet of the Symbiotes (near-universally reviled) and the lame Scarlet Spider back-up. (The extra stories, including some great ones by Dan Slott and Stan Lee, are exempted from this nomination.)

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-02-27 06:14:32
Nominations
Veto: Wolverine Origins (first arc)
Nominate: Wolverine Origins (everything else)
Nominate: Spiderman Family (I only read the first two)


Posted by shaunbed on 2008-02-27 06:53:37
Nominations
-The Clone Saga
-Bendis' Secret War (terrible ending)
-Civil War (I know I'm not the only one)

Posted by FuzzyDan on 2008-02-27 07:33:48
Vetoes
Veto: Civil War
Veto: Brand New Day


Posted by shaunbed on 2008-02-27 07:52:48
Ghost Rider 2099 full run - God awful, storys pencils ink the lot.

X-Men - Messiah Complex. Good Idea poorly poorly executed, Left me wanting less as it went on not more

Posted by triggrnc on 2008-02-27 08:19:49
Oh yeh just forgot one that had me shaking my head in disgust. Right slap bang in the middle of the excellent second Marvel Knights Punisher volume came.......

.....Hidden. hundreds of corpses a strange naked weirdo with an oedipus complex and art that made it look downright sleazy. I think Steve Dillons art makes a lot of the male characters look all samey and similar but to me Punisher just isn't the Punisher I love without Dillon.

Hidden, In a word Grotesque (In the worst way)

Posted by triggrnc on 2008-02-27 08:43:54
One More Day. Worst comics written, EVER.

Posted by LOTRKing on 2008-02-27 10:34:15
One More Day
the Clone Sage
(the only two sagas to ever make me stop reading spider-man_

Veto: Ant Man, I loved that series.

Posted by moral_d on 2008-02-27 13:30:57
well, if I get to vote for two, I'd have to say
1)OMD
2)BND

Veto Civil War

Posted by whos_the_champ on 2008-02-27 16:18:45
vetos
veto: x-men - Messiah Complex : The story was uneven but not aweful. Parts of it were really good and the x-men titles seriously needed a revamp. Of course, I am looking for a return of Cable (I didn't like Cable & Deadpool) but I really like Cable and am hoping X-force shapes into something good (which despite art has yet to happen). I have never been a great fan of the writing on New X-men Academy (with rare exception).

Posted by shaunbed on 2008-02-28 06:36:57
I nominate One More day as my number 1

and veto clone saga ...it want that bad.....but a read it after all the issues where out

Posted by spiderman8283 on 2008-02-28 12:01:46
Veto
I veto Avengers Disassembled. I loved that story-arc as that got me reading Avengers and actually caring whether they lived or died. It took the stink of crappy stories and freshened them up by taking the Avengers idea into uncharted territory.

I also vote for OMD/BND as they both suck. And I love Guggenheim, Slott, Gale, and Wells, and just cannot find the spirit to waste money on the travesty that is BND.

Posted by Lazarus on 2008-02-28 17:04:48
ok fanboys,try and vetoing and nominating comics on the basis that they are good or bad OVER ALL. not if you liked a single pannel(jesus christ,for real) or just one aspect of the book. Art,Writing,concept(done well) are all that matter when it comes down to it. just cuz there was a single book you liked out of a run does not make a run good. Veto civil war. nominate nothing because you jackasses veto all the true crap.


Posted by snowsho on 2008-02-28 17:09:37
veto:
The Fight Club version of the Thunderbolts from 75-80? - i loved it back then.



Posted by nickmarino on 2008-02-29 01:47:55
I nominate Secret Wars II and veto OMD/BND. It's been vetoed several times you jerks!!

Posted by Maestro on 2008-02-29 10:21:05
I also veto anything written by Bendis

Posted by Maestro on 2008-02-29 10:22:40
Veto BND/OMD all you want, us "jerks" will keep nominating it over and over and over and over again as the dumbest crappiest Spidey story ever on way too many levels to mention. Ultimately, though I don't wish it, history will point to it as the beginning of hte end of the Quesada era. Mark my words. OMD leaves Spidey's corner of the Marvel Universe as screwed up with unanswered questions ad COIE did the whole DC Universe. BND makes me feel like I'm re-reading an early 80's Spidey instead of the current issue. These have to be on the stinkers list because they have alienated so many readers and screwed up so many past story continuities in multiple titles it'll take years to resolve, if ever, unless Marvel finally, likely, resorts to asking us to heighten our suspension of disbelief. Sorry, no can do.

Posted by Steve M on 2008-03-01 00:09:59
Worst. Stories. Ever.
!. One More Day, One More Day, Lord Above, One More Day! So criminally horrific and so fundamentally devastating to the entire MU that it defies all vetoes. This is the travesty that turned Marvel into DC.
2. Spidey Clone Saga. The previous attempt at the above.
These are the only 2 things that have broken my Spidey collection since 1973. Shameful stuff.

Posted by wayfarercb on 2008-03-01 18:25:38
Veto: wolverine: origins (1st and 2nd run), wolverine #50-55 because overall it was atleast a C for me and i loved the art, Onslaught reborn #1 (liked the fights in it and reveal of hawkeye), Avengers: dissasembled, Spiderman: the other (liked it overall and liked the stinger twist), house of m, civil war, messiah complex, new excalibur (only read first 3 issues but enjoyed them)
Don't really have any votes off the top of my head, but i will post them whr=en i have them. And i also think we need a recap on whose still in the running.

Posted by sentry_10 on 2008-03-02 15:55:05
Ultimates 3
Ultimates 3 was offensively bad.

Posted by Boots on 2008-03-02 18:41:31
Stuff your veto
-Clone saga...seriously, I had to be restrained from painting the walls with my brains. I mean seriously, a frickin hoodie and tights?! I stopped buying anything Spidey after that...but clearly One More Day sounds like it may outstink the Clones.
-Onslaught's suckitude is second only to the Clone fiasco.

Posted by coupedeville68 on 2008-03-02 20:47:27
nominations
Any book with Woodgod
Entire run of Marvel comics Presents except maybe the 1st 3 issues

Posted by sparks322 on 2008-03-03 10:05:46
hmmm
i stopped reading comics for years because of the clone saga. i don't care if it makes a list. i'm just sayin.

and uncanny xmen's rise and the fall of the shiar empire? ugh. that should've been a six part series, at the most. i got annoyed with the story, bored with the characters, and annoyed with the art.

and i agree that ultimates 3 should at least get a chance to get somewhere before you say it's one of the worst ever. seriously.

but i veto gr 2099. i loved those stories, and it got me excited about ghost rider again. so there.

and i really hope OMD gets better, or else i might just weep over the death of spidey forever. i can't take much more of this...

Posted by somelikeitthom on 2008-03-03 23:04:50
The stinkiest of all stinky letdowns
I'm sorry (actually I'm not) but I wonder why more people haven't railed against the Marvel vs. DC three issue run and the subsequent poop-o-rama called Amalgam Comics. The Marvel vs. DC run had really bad artwork, and a story that made Secret Wars look like Catcher In the Rye. Don't get me wrong, I loved Secret Wars as a kid, but the Beyonder story was pretty weak. Marvel vs DC was just too damn political. Nobody really won or lost after all the hype. And the day that Aquaman beats Namor (with his stupid beard and harpoon hand mind you) is the day the Cubs win the Series. Please amend the list to include this blasphemy, sir.

Posted by courtesymurder77 on 2008-03-03 23:54:00
Yes I know
Before anybody jumps on me about it, I know the fans determined the outcome of the Marvel vs. DC battles...but I guess that's what made it sting that much more. By the way, I thought Civil War was very well written except the very end when Cap's about to kill Iron Man and gets tackled by Douchebag #1 and Henchman #17. That was a bit of a copout, but the rest of it was too good to put the whole story on this list. I move to nominate the Quasar run of the early 90s, I second the motion on the Onslaught stink-fest, and I also would like to throw in anything featuring Brother Voodoo...if anybody is a B-list DC villain in the Marvel Universe, it's him.

Posted by courtesymurder77 on 2008-03-04 00:12:59
Chuck Austen on x-men..... Iceman become a jerk to everyone? Polaris going off the deep end? stacy x?

Posted by greendart on 2008-03-05 14:29:55
veto: rise and fall of shiar empire. i liked it a lot, veto ultimates 3 because i also like it and i know it is going to get better.

Posted by sentry_10 on 2008-03-06 01:09:21
I nominate the following runs that are forever bound to end up in the 25 cent bins:
1) Entire Darkhawk saga
2) Nightcreawler four part miniseries (now a swashbuckling affair)
3) XSE
4) Nomad

Posted by Cptain_Mrvel on 2008-03-06 01:55:59
My 2 nominations
I vote for AVENGERS:DISASSEMBLED and AVENGERS:THE CROSSING

Posted by Mr. Fan on 2008-03-09 08:23:28
the worst
easy, brand new day the absolute worst, it makes you feel like you have not read spider-man since issue 41 in the 1960's. i thought the clone saga was bad but this tops it by far.

Posted by dmoney22 on 2008-03-13 20:32:35
The worst with a bullet
Brand new day is the worst abomination in comics history. No question. Erase 20 years of history, introduce inexplicable plot irregularities (Harry Osborn is now alive). Absolute nonsense. I won't but any more of that idiotic book.

Honourable second mention is One More Day. Let's get really lazy and create a stupid Devil story to take away Spider Man's marriage. That was the height of editorial arrogance, and drove away loyal fans like myself who had collected Spider Man diligently since the 1970s. No more.

I will still buy Marvel comics but never Spider Man after the idiocy that has been done to it.

Posted by Unhappy on 2008-04-05 13:57:55