In full understanding that this is going to get shot down, I vote for an ongoing Thor: Son of Asgard continuing from the series of the same name a few years back. It was a fun, all ages fantasy/super hero book that was simply wonderful. Keep the same direction as before and focus it towards new readers. That's my vote. I'll save my veto.

Posted by Matthan on 2008-02-26 14:30:55
Shitcanned - New Warriors

New book - (Post Secret Invasion) Nick Fury: Agent Of Shield

Posted by Dave James on 2008-02-26 14:40:10
I say cancel young x-men just by its solicits alone. It smells like a skunk.

Bring Back SleepWalker

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 14:50:57
Cancel: X-Force. I hate killing it before it's even been given much of a shot, but that sort of hyperviolence isn't really something I think is necessary, not at all. What i've seen so far is pretty wretched.

New Book: A title's tough for this. Excelsior is actually a pretty good choice. What I really want is a book that caters to the kids who came in during the 80s and 90s. A mixing of the grown up New Mutants and New Warriors and some of the Losers that Kirkman used in his Marvel Team Up Run. Cannonball, Dani Moonstar and Justice could lead it and it would basically be "The Titans" but for Marvel, because I think that second generation is so underdeveloped. You get a new generation of X-kids every 5-10 years, for instance and for the most part the old ones are tossed aside.


Posted by MattDiCarlo on 2008-02-26 14:51:24
seriously Cyclops ordering kids to kill in young x-men is way messed up.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 14:52:44
cancel : Ultimates 3
New book : Deadpool and Squirrel Girl

Posted by Rawnzilla on 2008-02-26 14:57:45
Before I make my choices, I'd like to say I think it'll be impossible for everyone to come to a consensus on what book to cancel.

moving on...

Cancel - Spider-Man Family
Add - Last Defenders as an ongoing instead of a miniseries

Posted by friskydingo on 2008-02-26 15:06:38
I agree with cancelling Young X-Men. I have a huge problem with Cyclops ordering kids to kill or even X-Men killing and I hate that most of the New X-Men cast is in limbo.

I would replace it by un-cancelling New X-Men. That book was starting to come into its own, and Marvel goes and cancels it, and for some reason thinks they need more books about X-Men killing? This trend is deeply disturbing.




Posted by Rachel__Summers on 2008-02-26 15:31:43
cancellations and new titles
About the only title currently being published that I don't feel Marvel should spend time on money on is Hercules.

I would like to see Dr. Strange get another shot at a title if the right creative team can be found. Brian Vaughn did an excellent job on the Oath.Sadly (unless it was a Skrull) BMB mishandled the character badly in his appearances in New Avengers and Illuminati.

Posted by izzatrix on 2008-02-26 15:31:59
Cancel Wolverine: Origins and replace it with a series starring the ORIGINAL Alpha Flight, preferably by writer/artist extraordinaire, John Byrne.


Posted by Dusty. on 2008-02-26 15:48:06
One out, one in.
Wolverine:Origins out - there are too many Wolverine books already, and Steve Dillon is wasted on a book that no one but X-completists want to read.
In - another Wolverine book! I'd really like to see an ongoing series based around the recent What If: Spider-Man vs. Wolverine one-shot. It worked for Spider-Girl, right?

Posted by Josef Karven on 2008-02-26 15:54:49
Veto axing of Hercules. It's nice to see him get some time in the spotlight.

I'd axe New Exiles. A new "Agents of SHIELD: Black Ops" book could be fun.

Posted by keense on 2008-02-26 15:55:52
Young X-Men
Hate to break up things with commentary BUT Marc Guggenheim has stated that the solicit for Young X-Men 1 was unfortunate. So I really think people should wait and see on that before judging it.

And seriously, everyone should be reading Hercules. It's an AMAZING, AMAZING book. One of my favorite two or three things Marvel is publishing.

Now does that mean you can't put FVL and Greg Pak on another book with a more marketable character, probably not. But that's where they are now.

Posted by MattDiCarlo on 2008-02-26 16:03:13
I'm gonna veto the cancellation of X-Force since the characters starring in it are adults and some even experienced murderers anyway. I think there is a place for this type of team plus the book is a good read. The difference in why I'm okay with this rather than Young X-Men is the whole advertised killer teens angle the solicits are advertising. You dont have a squad of teens under 18 and have them go hunting people to kill. That is wrong in all the wrong ways especially for Marvel who seems to be trying to get younger readers.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 16:07:09
Wolverine: Origins out. No other reason than I'd like to see Dillon do something more challenging. I'm just not interesting in this take on the character, nothing more.

Bring back? The Ben Grimm fanboy in me would love to see a new Thing book. But I'd REALLY love more NextWave, please.

By the way, I'm vetoing the suggestion for Alpha Flight by John Byrne, simply because he's stated in many articles that he didn't enjoy doing the book. (I liked the work, but why force someone to do a book they really don't want to do?)

Posted by wishlish on 2008-02-26 16:16:49
I'm loving these reader response things too. They really make me think about comics in a different way, more critically. I'll bet you have to think about things like this all the time.

CANCEL: Nova.

NEW: Front Lines. I love the street level, non powered stuff. Pulse and Front Lines were amazing. Let's see more of that.

VETO: Excelsior. Though, I would like to cancel any new X book. Don't they already have enough? The Marvel U needs more horizontal growth, not vertical.

Posted by kyle-latino on 2008-02-26 16:20:27
MAX Nick Fury (not Ennis's version)
Standalone reboot. Just hard, adult spy shenanigans.

Posted by jaredgood1 on 2008-02-26 16:22:27
Veto Nova cancellation
Marvel's cosmic stuff is second to none, and Nova is right up there with Daredevil and Cap in my reading pile.

Posted by jaredgood1 on 2008-02-26 16:25:02
CANCEL: Wolverine: Origins (too much exposure of Logan)

NEW: Shi'Ar: Majestrix a political soap-opera centered around Lilandra and the Imperial Guard

Posted by YorickB on 2008-02-26 16:32:22
Yes Tom, although I never thought so before now, it is obvious at this point you are indeed a bad person.

Veto Sleepwalker as a new book because, well, it's Sleepwalker.

New book: Bring back Power Man & Iron Fist

Cancel: Exiles. The idea has fully run its course, I think.



Posted by joeshan on 2008-02-26 16:33:52
I veto the request to cancel Exiles. There are tons of potential stories still out there. This type of series makes it impossible to run out of story ideas. Although Claremonts work on it has been awful it doesnt mean the idea is bad.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 16:43:57
VETO VETO VETO!
Alpha Flight redux. The book failed, man. Byrne didn't even want to do it originally - and it suffers. Lobdell's version sucked. Omega Flight sucked. It's simply too ..small...I guess, a concept to succeed.


To get my veto back

Cancel: New Exiles. Redefines the expression "Pointless"

New Book: something by Chris Giarusso

Posted by Dave James on 2008-02-26 16:45:18
Not sure what I would axe right now. I'm thinking an X-book of some kind, though with Young X-men canceled recently, maybe that is enough.

I think the nominations for an Alpha Flight book would be great, sadly it seems bring the original team back would be kinda hard, and the new team just didn't seem to cut it in Omega Flight.

I'm putting my vote in for a Dr.Strange or a main-stay magic/fantasy/mythical book of some kind. The mini-series The Oath was so good it made me hungry for more. Marvel has a pretty rich magical sphere to draw from, and I think the Mystic Arcana books were a step in the right direction, but were either not marketed correctly, or didn't hold strong enough stories on their own.

Posted by Zensenzei on 2008-02-26 16:50:04
Will somebody please medicate Dave James?
And I veto whatever he said.

Posted by Dusty. on 2008-02-26 16:52:39
Cancel: Ultimate X-men

New Book: New Invaders, with a real international line-up with such characters as Union Jack, Spitfire, Sabra, Arabian Knight, Ursa Major, Le Peregrine, USAgent and more...

Posted by Omega Flyer on 2008-02-26 16:55:49
I'm pro-Exiles too (but as a trades reader I've not experienced New Exiles yet) I think the MU is big enough for an "alternate realities" book.

I hate to kick the guy while he's down but I'm struggling to think of a more pointless book than Wolverine: Origins, which frankly would be doing him a small mercy.

If I'd not heard of Captain Britain and MI:13 I'd be suggesting a UK based book. At the very least I'd like to see a non-US based book, something that shows us the MU from a side we're not used to seeing. Maybe something like the international makeup that was used in the most recent Union Jack mini.



Posted by ukdavew on 2008-02-26 17:00:30
Veto Spiderman Family. That book is fun.

I suggest a “Winter soldier-The lost years”.


Posted by freyes2000 on 2008-02-26 17:02:13
cancel ultimates 3

new book, darkhawk. i liked the old darkhawk he needs a new series.

Posted by tucker_15 on 2008-02-26 17:03:45
i say we cancel Amazing spider-man because he's a boring character that no one can relate to, and we should add another wolverine ongoing! can't have too much logan!

don't freak out, im kidding...now for some real ideas

cancel New Warriors, it just never got off the ground and its a waste of some interesting characters

and this idea just came to me...get Warren Ellis writing an ongoing set in the Half-Life universe (i don't care what kinda of legal hurdles you have to go through, just make it happen). Its an amazing sci-fi setting that would give Warren some spectacular toys to play with.

Posted by cryhavok01 on 2008-02-26 17:08:43
New Book:

Cloak and Dagger: Meta Drug Enforcement Agents. Basically just take their plotline from Runaways and expand it into a full time job of hunting down pushers of Mutant Growth Hormone. They do what the DEA does, but for SHIELD and on a superpowered level.

Posted by Jason M Bryant on 2008-02-26 17:09:34
I do agree with many others about Wolverine Origins that the book itself came out of a flawed concept. I mean the book was in fact advertised as telling the readers all about the past Wolverine became aware of after house of m. Funny thing about reading it is Wolverine still didnt have a clue about parts of his past even though everything he supposedly knew now.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 17:10:18

can i just echo "cancel Young X-Men." I hadn't read the newbies until Messiah Complex, and right as i fall in love with that cast, the book's cancelled. just rever back to New X-Men with them- I promise i'll buy it.

new book: Howling Commandos-- Winter Soldier, Agent 13, Black Widow, Falcon, and Hawkeye doing Nick Fury's dirty work. I love Bucky as Captain, so this can happen further down the line, but I'd love to read a Brubaker-penned series of these guys doing black ops work and finally tearing down AIM or RAID or whatever, cell by cell.

Posted by SDKtheGAME on 2008-02-26 17:13:10
Veto !
Nova. What the hell - I hate the cosmic stuff, but jee-zus is Nova one of the better stabs at it in recent years. And the art is fantastic, and Abnett and Lanning revel in this kind of stuff.

Cancel: Guardians Of The Galaxy. Rocket Raccoon, seriously?

New book: Patriot/Winter Soldier/Falcon wacky team up

Posted by Dave James on 2008-02-26 17:15:58
I should make it clear that I'm actually vetoing the Nova cancellation - not cancelling the book itself

Posted by Dave James on 2008-02-26 17:17:51
Don't you see, Brevoort's playin' us all!
Cancel: Ultimate Fantastic Four, it's just lost on me now.
New Book: Got to go with the Nick Fury idea above, something MAX that is identifiable as the Marvel U too.

Posted by Skippa on 2008-02-26 17:23:36
Veto: cancelling guardians of the galaxy? It looks way to hot to cancel. Annihilation and Annihilation Conquest (esp. Starlord and Rocket Racoon) have been the best damn thing to come out of Marvel lately.

Cancel: Any number of Wolverine titles.

New book: supporting mre2u's idea - "A mixing of the grown up New Mutants and New Warriors and some of the Losers that Kirkman used in his Marvel Team Up Run. Cannonball, Dani Moonstar and Justice could lead it and it would basically be "The Titans" but for Marvel, because I think that second generation is so underdeveloped." Cause that's my generation of heroes.

Posted by MyHeroJustice on 2008-02-26 17:24:38
cancel
Cancel Ultimate X-men (outlived its usefulnes)

New Series: Serpent Society


Posted by phopho on 2008-02-26 17:26:56
Difficult to answer due to rules
9 times out of 10 I will pick up a new title based on creative team rather than character. If I were to pick the most worthless book on Marvel's schedule right now it would be Black Panther, but part of it's worthlessness is that I would LOVE to have an awesome Black Panther book to read and as long as Hudlin's writing it that is never going to happen.

Same thing goes for recommending a new book. I might recommend giving my favorite character or team on ongoing just to see it *shudder* written by Paul Jenkins.

I guess for cancellation - Wolverine - Origins. It's just not really interesting and I'd rather see Steve Dillon work on something that is more worthy of his talents.

As far as new books, I'd go with continuing The Thing series. I loved the character and tone and now that Dan Slott has made more of a name for himself I'm sure that a new # 1 would sell a lot more copies.

Posted by ed2ward on 2008-02-26 17:29:34
I'm vetoing the cancellation of New Warriors and Guardians of the Galaxy.

And I'm vetoing the creation of Front Lines.

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-02-26 17:30:26
People have already vetoed cancelling Nova, so I'll veto cancelling Herc. It's been a lot of fun the first three issues. Was tough to decide between that and vetoing a Frontline (which could be good, I suppose, if it weren't written by Jenkins).

I'll cancel New Avengers. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

New book: The Avengers, featuring the characters that were thrown out of the title in Disassembled, written by someone who wants to be writing the avengers. (If I could do two books, I'd nominate Marvel Knights, so Bendis could write the characters he wants to write in the place where they belong.)

Posted by motteditor on 2008-02-26 17:35:35
Veto: the creation of another new Wolverine title (dude, he's in a dozen titles a month as it is).

Veto: the cancellation of Spider-Man Family. You obviously don't read it. Spider-Man J aside, it's a pretty neat package; good value too.

Cancel: Ultimate Fantastic Four. A terrible misconception of a series if ever there was one. Even more redundant now with Millar and Hitch on the main book.

Create: a wholly NEW series with NEW characters and NEW concepts by A-list creators. Because this generation is seriously lacking in great Marvel books it can truly call its own. Runaways is about it.

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-02-26 17:40:46
Nomination
I cancel ASM in order to get Slott back onto She-Hulk.

And I nominate a return of Nextwave with the original creative team. (Although the Deadpool and Squirrel Girl idea was pretty sweet!)

Posted by Ovid on 2008-02-26 17:45:27
Veto:
I'll veto the Wolverine Origins cancellation ONLY because the writer said a) he had a plan and b) it was only going to run 60 issues anyway. It seems like his plan so far has been something like "insert x tiny factoid", then he builds a wastefully long arc around that, drawing the tiny factoid out much longer than it should be. Marvel needs more intentional maxi-series.

Nominate:
I think a global mutants book would be cool. Maybe some of the old New X-Men kids could wind up there. I like those kids. Killing them and using them for killers, not so much. This could also incorporate another posters idea of using the older "80s kids" - previous New Mutants, etc.

Cancel:
X-Men: First Class (can I include Wolverine: First Class and just say kill the whole "mini line"? :) ). We don't need this book. I did enjoy what Byrne (and I'm not much of a Byrne-as-writer fan) was doing with the Hidden Years - that was directly in continuity and well thought out, these just seem like weird quasi-what-ifs that are trying to make the "old" X-Men "hip" to the "young-uns".


Posted by onefinemess on 2008-02-26 17:54:38
I agree with the wolverine:orgins cancel, but you guys are citing the wrong reason, i think. The guy isn't in as many books now as he used to be. He is pretty managable actually.

The one character who IS in every book lately is Iron Man, and none of you seem to want him canceled.

Just saying if you are gonna use too many appearances as an excuse, you gotta look at everyone.

Posted by Zensenzei on 2008-02-26 17:56:21
I veto the cancellation of Amazing Spider-Man. BND hasn't been given a chance to run its course yet, so let's give it a while before we make any rash decisions about it.

Cancel: Ultimate Fantastic Four. It took me eight trade paperbacks to realize it had finally stopped being good.

New Title: I want to see Ultimate Spider-Woman come back. Maybe as the leader of an Ultimate incarnation of the New Warriors, or the Thunderbolts?

Posted by CenturyChild533 on 2008-02-26 18:07:23
Cancel: Wolverine Origins. There are just too many Wolverine books right now.

New Book: Some kind of Super-Villain Team Up/Marvel Underworld/Bar With No Name title. It'd have stories very much in the vein of last year's BRILLIANT MODOK's 11 mini, featuring D-list villains. Let's make some oddball villains cool and build them up for up for use in other Marvel books.

Posted by Stalzer2002 on 2008-02-26 18:12:18
Well, I guess I'd cancel Ultimates. It's gotten pretty lousy lately, aside from the interesting art.

And for what series I'd start… wow, can I go totally unrealistic dreamer on this? If there were an ongoing series teaming Amadeus Cho up with the Livewires (from Adam Warren's miniseries) to go up against their mutual secret-government-agency enemies, I might just faint. That would be the epitome of coolness.

Posted by MoriartyL on 2008-02-26 18:16:16
My picks to get cancelled
Cancel: Tough call. So many flagship character have too many books, like Spiderman, X-Men and Wolverine. But if I had to pick one it would be The New Avengers. I mean, the old Avengers are almost as dorky as the JLA, but they were essential to Marvel. That's also the same reason why I wouldn't cancel the Fantastic Four. The New Avengers is just too... redundant. It's not needed.

New Book: Some of the new books I wanted are out, but the writers aren't doing well with them. The New Warriors is a great example of this. But if I wanted a new book based on a new character, I would make it Darkhawk. He was like a Spiderman for the 90's.

Veto: The New Warriors. Not the Warrior's fault that the writer can't do anything with it. He plods on too long. Get something going!

Posted by DRock1 on 2008-02-26 18:20:50
My cancellation has been vetoed, so (instead of nominating something else for cancellation) I nominate the ORIGINAL Marvel Two-In-One w/ Ben Grimm to be brought back.

Marvel should revitalize the old team-up book, much like DC has done with The Brave and the Bold.

Posted by friskydingo on 2008-02-26 19:02:49
Strongly veto cancelling Nova
Veto: Nova, it's fantastic.

No idea what to start though...

Posted by SOAE on 2008-02-26 19:07:34
More stuff
Veto: Cancelling New Avengers. Its sales really defend itself, I should think.


However, like a lot of people, I tend to follow the creators far more than the characters, so I tend to be of the opinion that almost any book can be good and almost any book is potentially worthy of cancellation. That said, I'd cancel most of the Ultimate line. I was against it initially, because it seemed redundant and a new form of idea-strip-mining as opposed to coming up with something original. But you got some of the best, freshest creators in comics to come up with a fantastic set of stories, making it possibly the tightest, strongest family of titles anywhere in comics. Now that it's become this watered down version of itself worked on by competent but often not exceptional creators, my original assessment feels validated. Unfortunately.

To pick the biggest offender, I guess I'd third (fourth?) Ultimate FF.

Create: What I'd really like to see is a Marvel Spotlight style book where creators (teams) with exceptionally strong followings could pitch short arcs (say, between one and eight issues) involving any Marvel character or team that they wanted with an emphasis on the kind of off-the-wall stories that don't quite seem right for the monthlies (if the character even has one). That way, we get the advantage of having some of the "superstars" on top tier characters, without the commitments that scare them and the disjointed pacing that plagues books which go through three writers in a single year.

Also, I second the new character book, supervillian team-up, Nick Fury max, Excelsior, and blacks ops Shield (though for this last one I might suggest using lesser known characters who could conceivably be killed - a la DC's Suicide Squad. The problem I have with most superhero black ops books is that I know all of the primaries are going to live ninety-five percent of the time, and black ops should never feel that "safe." Otherwise, what's the point? I'm casting hopeful but wary looks at you, X-force.)

Posted by Muldrate on 2008-02-26 19:14:11
Nominate: "Section 616"
Genre: horror/mystery
Tag Line: Think “Torchwood” meets “Eureka” set in the Marvel Universe
Description: Section 616 is a sub division of SHIELD. While the main resources of the agency focus on world-shattering and mega-events, Section 616 focuses on small-scale/odd situations. For example, if a small town in the mid-west was infected with vampire-rabbits or a suburban high school got swallowed whole by Fin Fang Foom it would be up 616 to put things right.

Although the book will have its regular freak-of-the-week and will be action oriented, the driving force behind the title will be the characters. This means the cast should be small with only 2 or 3 field agents, a tech/support character, and someone who oversees the divisions. As for characters that's more of an editorial decision because you need at least one A-lister to bring in readers while you want the rest of the cast to be lower tier so that the writer will have more leeway in terms of arcs and overall growth.

Posted by scottking on 2008-02-26 19:17:52
Cancel: Hulk, Loeb has turned in turd after turd since coming back to marvel, I'd like to say Ultimates because it's a like a black-eye on the statue of liberty but it's only a mini-series, so Hulk get's my vote

Add: The Life & Times of Orson Randall, Orson Randall is the single most interesting new character to come from Marvel in years, and I'd love to get more insight on his life beside the odd one-shot, Matt Fraction and Travel Foreman would do wonders

Veto: Nova, beside Iron Fist, Nova is the best new ongoing series to come from marvel in along time, and it's really growing into it's own.

Posted by scorpionspupil on 2008-02-26 19:18:52
Cancel Ultimate Fantastic Four. Sorry, Mike Carey, but it's losing all kinds of steam

Fin Fang Four. Ongoing adventures.

Posted by stuckinazkaban on 2008-02-26 19:34:33
Spider-Woman
I like the Fury Max idea, but with Jessica Drew as the lead character. Definitely get rid of New Exiles and Avengers Classic.

Posted by jjp69 on 2008-02-26 19:43:26
Hank Pym ongoing
Bring back Tales to Astonish (could also feature Wasp and Hulk)

It's tough for me to say that I want a Marvel book canceled, but I guess I would pick X men first class

Posted by mace randu on 2008-02-26 19:50:42
X-Force
mre2u, all of the characters in X-Force aren't adults. X-23 is 16, and Cyclops is encouraging her to go off and kill people. Even if that's what she was created to do, it's morally reprehensible that Scott would be encouraging it.

I veto the cancelling of X-Men: First Class. There needs to be at least one X-book where they aren't trying to kill people. And for a Marvel Adventures, all-age title, it's really good and sells very well.



Posted by Rachel__Summers on 2008-02-26 21:01:19
Create: An Illuminati ongoing, or at least another mini-series set in the post-Secret Invasion MU. Set in the present, they make a more concerted effort to push & nudge the MU towards a more utopian ideal (eg. building a "city of tomorrow", trying to solve some of world problems, quietly deposing dictators...) dealing with a lot of moral grey along the way. Soon they find they all have very different ideas as to what they think an ideal world would look like.

Create: Kinda like a new Defenders book, with a rotating, but high profile cast. Initially bringing back the team of the Hulk, Spidey, Wolverine & Ghost Rider, the four who once temporarily replaced the FF. Again it could be an ongoing or even a mini/maxi series. But make it a "serious" book though, it's important that they deal with villains who are quite happy to kill people by the hundreds, if not thousands and crater entire towns. Each of them are drawn into the conflict from different parts of the world, defeating minor villains along the way to the major confrontation at the end with the BB & friends. The Troyjans would make for a good first arc. Their leader, Armaggedon is more than a match for them all on his own and his alien army (plus a few genetically altered, tech-enhanced special forces) would give any superteam fits.

Of course, dealing with each other, especially after WWH, could prove to be the biggest hurdle they'd face.

Posted by Hrungr on 2008-02-26 21:18:42
Phoenix
Adios: New X-Men. Just more trendy kids with powers, hip slang and angst. And do we need a token muslim in a burka rammed down the throat to show how tolerant we are? Blech.

Bienvenido!: Bring back Jean Grey as the Phoenix...you know you want to. Give Phoenix her own title which could intersect with Uncanny. Jean comes back (oh let me count the ways), but can't be around to watch Cyclops sleeping with Emma so she takes off to visit old friends, put down some bad guys, and maybe pop a few planets from time to time. Cyclops is of course emotionally torn which ticks Emma off. She leaves him in a snit and he decides to chase Jean. He discovers her hanging out in Oklahoma with Thor (wha huh?!) ... ok, or maybe with Wanda in Europe. Ok, or maybe in Logan's apartment? That would make for an uncomfortable situation. Wherever. Then of course Emma, determined to force a choice, could show up to stand by her man, only to discover him standing by Jean. Imagine the drama and joy. Imagine the ensuing chaos. Boom. Dark Phoenix time. And I could go on forever...

Posted by Loob on 2008-02-26 21:25:27
Howling Commandos
Love that idea! Oh, and New Exiles is a fine choice for cancellation, as is UFF.
DDD

Posted by dum dum dugan on 2008-02-26 21:29:20
Spider-man
Cancel Spider-man Brand New Day, its pretty forced.

New Book, Ultimate Hulk in a solo series.


Posted by ssegura on 2008-02-26 21:36:55
Cage
New Book, Cage in a solo series and how he fights the power!!

Cancel Mighty Avengers because they seem to be a New Avengers after thought.

Posted by jefseg77 on 2008-02-26 21:45:01
too many claws, not enough spells
Axe: Wolverine: Origins. It's more overload for the most overexposed character in the Marvel Universe, and so far it hasn't done anything that couldn't be better done in one of his many other series.

Add: A new Dr. Strange ongoing, but only if it's got a) a writer who really cares about the idea of magical systems and understands that a protagonist who can simply wish anything into happening makes for boring stories, and b) an artist who can make it really gorgeous and distinctive and unlike other current comics, which is what Ditko and Brunner and Marshall Rogers did. I don't care who the creative team is, as long as they fit those criteria.

Veto: The cancellation of X-Men: First Class, which is just a joy of a series. (I realize it's already been vetoed, but I want to echo that.)

Posted by aspectacle on 2008-02-26 22:07:22
Cancel Wolverine Origins

In it's place I want one of those old style Romance comic starring a gentleman Doctor Doom courting for a new queen to spin out of New Avengers. It feature Doom acting like his proper self trying to win the heart of young evil villainess lady month after month.

Posted by kolee on 2008-02-26 22:07:45
I would like Mighty Avengers to end and to bring the New Avengers back into a truly Earth's Mightiest Heroes back.

I love the idea of a Doctor Strange/Luke Cage book. Just those two. Strange is taking care of everything that goes bump in the night and Cage brings the pain with him. Talk about an odd couple book with the potential to kick all kinds of butt....I like it.

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2008-02-26 22:13:45
To help Tom out
Nominated uncontested Cancellations maybe errors
1. Young X-Men
2. X-Men Unlimited
3. Fantastic four Unlimited
4. Mighty Avengers
5. Wolverine Origins.

Nominated uncontested for new series some people chose more than one and didnt follow the instructions

1.Strange/ Luke Cage team up book
2. Luke Cage solo
3. Deadpool and Squirrel Girl
4. Doctor Doom dating book
5. Dr. Strange solo
6. Ultimate hulk
7. Phoenix solo with Jean
8. Illuminati ongoing
9. Last Defenders ongoing
10. Section 616
11. Nick Fury solo
12. Nick fury shield team book
13. Tales to Astonish
14. vetoed
15. Super villain team up
16. Patriot, Winter Soldier, and Falcon team up
17. Howling Commandos
18. Darkhawk
19. Cloak and Dagger
20. Winter Soldier the Last years
21. Thor: Son of Asgard
22. Thing
23. Shiar Lilandra and the imperial guard
24. Nextwave
25. Frontlines
26. Powerman and Iron fist

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 22:55:36
books from list im vetoing
3 Deadpool and Squirrel girl - Maybe if it was a GLX book, but no way would I read this as an ongoing
4. Doctor Doom Dating book- This man killed an old girl friend and turned her skin into armor. no one wants to date that.
7. Jean is too boring and dull to have an ongoing. There is a reason she is dead.


Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 22:57:59
2 qnd 3 are ultimate books not unlimited ones.

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-26 22:58:48
picks
Wow i almost feel a consensus in that ultimate ff and wolverine origins sux, and i would agree. Thank god someone already veoted nova and guardians of the galaxy. Nova and annhilation stuff are the best things marvel has put out in 20 years, and I cant wait for guardians of the galaxy, star lord and rocket raccoon the the coolest characters ever. Darkhawk was a nice choice for a new title by the way, and I really like deathlok but Im going to have to pick one that will get vetoed immediately but cant help it its one of my all time faves
--- what if------ no more one shots, bring it back full time
My top choice for an axe would be ultimate ff but its been chosen so i want to give the boot to
-----black panther------ absolutely hate it, especially since that whole FF and frog time travelling deal

Posted by jvshaft on 2008-02-26 23:12:52
Squadron Supreme!
I thought Squadron Supreme was great stuff. That should never have been cancelled,(or redirected into the Supreme Power Ultimate universe crossover mess) so lets get that back on track.

Also, as much as I loved the first two story arcs, Moon Knight has lost almost all of it's shine. Lets cancel that until Marvel gets serious about dedicating talented creatives to the book.

Posted by sirviz on 2008-02-26 23:36:55
New Champions
I'm glad somebody vetoed the cancellation of New Warriors, I really like the idea behind it. I just wish they would focus more on the rest of the team as opposed to Night Trasher, who is the most boring of them all in my opinion.

Cancellation: Just about every Ultimate book other than Ultimate Spider-Man. All of the stories have become so lame that it makes me cringe. I haven't picked up UFF in ages and every time I pick up Ultimate X-Men, I want to cry from how miserable it is.

New Book: Assuming that after Secret Invasion, Nick Fury takes back his rightful place as Director of SHIELD. It's the formation of a team of super heroes turned SHIELD operatives that, like the Section 616 idea, act as Fury's fist and go and do what it is he feels needs to be done. It should have a few new faces in it, but the majority should be characters that we all know and love but might not be strong enough to hold a book on their own. At the center should be Spider-Woman, Black Cat, and Clint Barton.

Posted by 616 Spider-Man on 2008-02-27 00:10:41
Veto :
Young X-Men - It isnt even out yet, give it a chance
Ultimate Fantastic Four - A little up and down but there are much worse comics out there
Mighty Avengers - You people are completely crazy, one of Marvels top books

Posted by Rain on 2008-02-27 00:15:24
Cancel & New
Cancel either Ultimate Spider-Man or Amazing Spider-Man because now with "Brand New Day" I really feel like I'm reading Ultimate Spider-Man FOUR times a month! Well, for the moment. I order three months out, so I'm done with Spidey (after 46 years) in a couple of months.

Book I'd most like to see have a tryout? A decent Quicksilver run (no pun intended) if they haven't messed the character up beyond repair by now.

Posted by Steve M on 2008-02-27 00:22:21
Ultimate X-men
I second (or third or fourth) the cancellation of Ultimate X-men. It's not bad per se, it has just lost its purpose. It was suppose to be an update/reimagining of the X-men, however it really doesn't seem different than any of the other X-books.

I veto the cancellation of Ultimate Spider-man. The best Spider-man comic being published. I also veto the cancellation of Amazing Spider-man. Both titles are different enough that they can co-exist. A 16-year-old Spider-man with a steady girlfriend and job has different problems than a 25-year-old single, unemployed one.

Posted by egotrip02 on 2008-02-27 00:41:28
Updated List for 1am
This is the list at 1 am.

Add Thor Son of Asgard
Add New Nick Fury: Agent of Shield
Add Agent of Shield Black Ops
Add Sleepwalker (Vetoed)
Add Excelsior, grown up New Mutants. (2 votes)(Vetoed)
Add Deadpool and Squirrel Girl. (Vetoed)
Add Last Defenders ongoing
Add New X-Men, don't cancel. (Vetoed)
Add Dr. Strange (3 votes) (Vetoed)
Add Original Alpha Flight (2 votes) (vetoed)
Add Another Wolverine book (vetoed)
Add The Thing (2 votes)
Add Front Line, non-powered stuff (vetoed)
Add Max Nick Fury (2 votes)
Add Shi'Ar Majestrix
Add Power-Man / Iron Fist
Add Something by Chris Giarusso
Add New Invaders
Add Non US team book
Add Winter Soldier : The Lost Years
Add Half-Life ongoing
Add Cloak and Dagger
Add Howling Commandoes (2 votes)
Add Patriot/Winter Soldier/Falcon wacky Team-Up book
Add Nick Fury book
Add serpent society
Add Add The Avengers
Add something new and unheard of
Add Nextwave
Add Global mutants book
Add Ultimate Spider-Woman
Add Supervillain team-up, Marvel Underworld
Add Amadeus Cho and the Livewires
Add Darkhawk
Add Original Marvel Two-in-One w/Ben Grimm
Add Marvel Spotlight (off the wall stories)
Add Section 616 (Torchwood meets Eureka)
Add the life and times of orson randall
Add Fin Fang Four
Add Max Jessica Drew
Add Tales to astonish
Add Illuminati ongoing
Add New Defenders
Add Ultimate Hulk ongoing
Add Cage in Solo series
Add Doc Strange/ Luke Cage
Add Doc Doom Dating (Vetoed)
Add Phoenix Solo (Vetoed)
Add Squadron Supreme

Cancel New Warriors (2 votes) (vetoed)
Cancel Young X-Men (5 votes) (vetoed)
Cancel X-Force (vetoed)
Cancel Ultimates 3 (vetoed)
Cancel Spider-man family (vetoed)
Cancel Hercules (vetoed)
Cancel Wolverine: Origins (10 votes) (vetoed)
Cancel Nova (vetoed)
Cancel Exiles (vetoed)
Cancel New Exiles (3 votes)
Cancel Ultimate X-Men (2 votes)
Cancel Guardians of the Galaxy (vetoed)
Cancel Ultimate Fantastic Four (6 votes) (vetoed)
Cancel some of the Wolverine titles
Cancel New Avengers (2 votes) (vetoed)
Cancel Amazing Spider-Man (vetoed)
Cancel X-Men First class
Cancel most of the Ultimate line
Cancel Hulk
Cancel Avengers Classic
Cancel X-Men First Class (vetoed)
Cancel Brand New Day
Cancel Mighty Avengers
Cancel Black Panther (replace with good Black Panther)
Cancel Moon Night

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-27 00:42:12
New!!
I want to see more of the American Eagle character from Thunderbolts. Deadpool is really a villain that had that coming.
An Eternals book would also be good to see back up.

Posted by grizzlydan on 2008-02-27 00:45:37
Add a MU political book, there are none. One dealing with the government of the MU.
Only book I'd really like to be changed, apart from New X-Men, which was... is Wolverine Origins. Wouldn't cancel it by any means, I'd just go back to the roots and what made the Origins Mini so good. And btw... Origins sells nearly the same amount of copies as Wolverine's main title. Everybody is still picking it up. Me personally, would just like it to be a little bit better.. I'd like to know what happened to Logan after Rose's death. I'd also love for Dr. Strange to take the journal out of the fire... But that'd be retconning right...

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-27 00:50:41
I have another suggestion for the Add list: A new What The--?! I loved that book when I was a kid and with Cable & Deadpool gone, there's a lack of humor in the Marvel universe.

Posted by Rachel__Summers on 2008-02-27 00:57:43
veto
vetoing Mighty Avengers because it is getting really interesting and there arent anymore delays, so it needs a chance

Posted by mace randu on 2008-02-27 01:25:14
Daredevil
Cancel Daredevil. Way to much noir.

Posted by Anthony W on 2008-02-27 01:49:59
cancel the whole MARVEL ILLUSTRATED and replace it by the whole new MAX line exactly the way Michael Heide suggested it in his post ('Gripes' 2008-02-20 )
can't say better.


Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-27 03:07:42
New book :
'Savage Land'

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-27 03:09:42
veto:
don't cancel 'Moon Knight'
just the f.ck use it...

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-27 03:14:27
Seeing as 'New X-Men' has already bitten the dust and I'm actually not a moron and will WAIT TILL I'VE READ 'YOUNG X-MEN' BEFORE TRYING TO CANCEL IT?!?!!...

CANCEL: New Warriors - it just isn't very good.
NEW BOOK: Starjammers (with Havok, Marvel Girl, Polaris etc)

Oh and THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for Paul Cornell's upcoming 'Captain Britain & MI:13'!!!! That would have been my new book pitch had it not already been announced!!!!

Posted by NewChad on 2008-02-27 03:23:44
Oh and I pro-actively veto any attempt to cancel Ms Marvel!

Posted by NewChad on 2008-02-27 03:24:42
forget the 'Savage Land' proposal, except if you include it in the MAX suggestion 'course...

Just taking a few minutes to say that the sollicitations for May are just a dream :
Captain Britain and MI:13, Last Defenders,Guardians of Galaxy,...
thanks very much for your work.

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-27 04:33:10
Is "there's worse books out there" reasonable grounds to veto Ultimate Fantastic Four? This is a book that has never justified its own existence, by any merit. The talent is better applied to other books in the line - that is the point of the question here. I would like to persuade Rain to drop his veto.

Meanwhile, I'd like to veto Illuminati - I don't believe it could support an ongoing monthly (although I'm up for more mini-series and one-shots).

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-02-27 05:59:58
No books need to be cancelled. I just won't buy them. :-)

But although it has been mentioned many times before: Deadpool for me as well please!!!!! Those issues were so much fun! (and now they're being cancelled) :-(

Posted by Zigy on 2008-02-27 06:10:07
Yeah, I personally wouldn't miss anything with the word 'Ultimate' in the title.

As for a new title, I'd like to see something like Marvel Spotlight, where you could try out new characters or throw some work to unemployed characters...



Posted by R Nitelight on 2008-02-27 06:32:45
"Is "there's worse books out there" reasonable grounds to veto Ultimate Fantastic Four? This is a book that has never justified its own existence, by any merit. The talent is better applied to other books in the line - that is the point of the question here. I would like to persuade Rain to drop his veto."

I should rephrase my veto, what i mean is that the comic has varied from very good to ok depending on the creative team, but i have never read an issue i would call bad

Posted by Rain on 2008-02-27 07:17:05
"I should rephrase my veto, what i mean is that the comic has varied from very good to ok depending on the creative team, but i have never read an issue i would call bad"

Did you read the last 5?

Posted by stuckinazkaban on 2008-02-27 07:47:15
housekeeping
I'm going to veto the cancel of Brand New Day. Not because I have a strong opinion about it, but because it's *not a series*! It's just a branding on the current run of Amazing Spider-Man. Since cancelling Amazing Spider-Man has already been cancelled, let's just take that Brand New Day cancellation off the list.

Veto cancelling the Ultimate line. I like some of those titles, and the ones I'm not currently reading need tweaking, not cancelling.

Posted by Jason M Bryant on 2008-02-27 07:48:14
Somewhere Tom is laughing...
"Perhaps I'm simply a bad person, but I'm finding the "audience participation" threads so fascinating to watch as they unfold that I'm going to try for another one."

I just imagine Tom sitting watching from afar at the chaos he created. And laughing... the laugh of the devil....

Posted by NewChad on 2008-02-27 07:53:00
Cancel: Wolverine, origins or X-Force

Add; A new Dr Strange series, except, he hands his mantle to Clea. Clea would then become the new sorcerer supreme and Steven would be her mentor, with Wong also along for the ride.

Posted by Tom Reed on 2008-02-27 08:48:20
Cancel: new warriors

Add: ironically another team book using the concept behind the 1st NW series.

Take a handful of those fan favorite chars but don't have enough to carry an ongoing- (ie DarkHawk, members of Power pack etc)

OR.

I want a new ROM book!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marvel, get the rights back, make it happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by troutx on 2008-02-27 08:58:33
tom ?
IS THAT TRUE...?????
I mean...NewChad can't be right...
when I talk with people , saying that by the time I'm reading comic-books, I never had a better idea of what evil is since I'm talking with editors...I mean...it's just a joke....
please, say something...

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-27 09:22:20
My Choice
This isn't going very well as far as concensus, but it's amusing!

Cancel: I don't think there much left except to jump on the shattered bones of previously suggested titles.

Add: A new Morbius book. Yes, that's right, but make it good this time.

Posted by PseudoSherlock on 2008-02-27 10:06:30
Veto: any series with the Starjammers involving Alex, Rachel and Lorna. Rachel needs to join the cast of Cable.


Posted by Rachel__Summers on 2008-02-27 10:36:05
the Max line looks very concrete now...

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-27 10:36:45
Veto cancel Mighty Avengers, it may have started out slow, but it is going to pick up, and I can't wait to see where Bendis goes with it.

Cancel: Hulk, can't say I've actually read it, but I'm hearing way too many bad things from it.

Start: SILVER SURFER! I can't believe I'm the first one to ask for this. He REALLY needs his own series again. Was I the ONLY one who liked In Thy Name?

-LOTRKing

Posted by LOTRKing on 2008-02-27 10:41:09
"and this idea just came to me...get Warren Ellis writing an ongoing set in the Half-Life universe (i don't care what kinda of legal hurdles you have to go through, just make it happen). Its an amazing sci-fi setting that would give Warren some spectacular toys to play with."

- THIS SOUNDS AWESOME!

My thoughts:

Drop: New Exiles (Claremont needs to do some other stuff! Don't waste him!)

Add: I could see an all C/B list character series. Also, make it international, not just in the U.S. There are villians in other countries! :P

(Also, as a possible idea, how about the next audience particapation be "Make a team of 6 full of C and B list characters. Just a thought, not sure if you're accepting "audience particapation suggestions". ;)

Posted by fetty_pet on 2008-02-27 10:43:34
Vetoing:

Add New Nick Fury: Agent of Shield
Add Agent of Shield Black Ops
Add Non US team book
Add Winter Soldier : The Lost Years
Add Howling Commandoes (2 votes)
Add Patriot/Winter Soldier/Falcon wacky Team-Up book
Add Nick Fury book
Add Global mutants book
Add Ultimate Spider-Woman
Add Original Marvel Two-in-One w/Ben Grimm
Add Marvel Spotlight (off the wall stories)
Add Section 616 (Torchwood meets Eureka)
Add the life and times of orson randall
Add Max Jessica Drew
Add Tales to astonish
Add Illuminati ongoing
Add New Defenders
Add Ultimate Hulk ongoing
Add Cage in Solo series
Add Doc Strange/ Luke Cage

Also vetoing:

Cancel New Exiles (3 votes)
Cancel X-Men First class
Cancel Avengers Classic

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-02-27 10:54:21
Zombies!
They are played out and marvel has milked this genre for all it was worth, which wasn't much. Cancel anything to do with Zombies and especially Zombie variant covers.
Also, spinoffs from the major events. Let the works stand or fall on their own. WWH aftersmash warbound frontline blah blah blah. Give the creative teams working on these books something else to do. This seems like busy work. I am not including tie-ins to existing books in this statement, although they should be dialed back a bit too.
Not new, but do what it takes to make this Man-thing feature title succeed.
Doc Strange, Silver Surfer and Nick Fury all need solo titles.
I know people are feed up with Ninjas, but a master of kung fu book could be cool, if it wasn't in NYC.

Posted by TConway on 2008-02-27 11:03:21
Veto
I veto the cancellation of Loeb's Hulk. Throw all the tomatoes at me you wish, but I veto nonetheless.

Posted by friskydingo on 2008-02-27 11:26:35
Adds and Drops
I'd add a Justice series

I'd bring back Nomad, bathe him, shave him, put him back in the Nomad costume, and give him his own book to cross over with Captain America; heck, give them a buddy book called My Two Buckies. :)

Gravity needs an ongoing series.

Have Robbie get some intensive therapy via some telepath somewhere, fix his powers (technically, fixing his mental hangups will fix that. I'm sure), bring him back as Speedball in his own series.

Bring back Wendall Vaughn as Quasar.

Posted by wayneligon on 2008-02-27 11:32:57
interesting...
Morbius, Nomad, Gravity, Quasar, American Eagle, Man-Thing...WOW.
I'd suggest a mini about Brother Voodoo's origin, or starting an ongoing...?

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-27 12:03:54
cancellations
Veto the cancellation of Hulk. This is about titles and characters not who happens to be writing them at the moment. There is only one Hulk title at the moment. I don't think he needs more than one but he does deserve one.

And since my cancellation of Hercules got vetoed,

I'd like to nominate Ghost Rider to go. Of Marvel's mystical characters he is the one I'm least interested in, even as an angel.

Posted by izzatrix on 2008-02-27 12:04:30
why not also 'Darkhawks 2099', if we can't have the Space Knights or Rom...

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-27 12:07:02
veto
I veto one guy vetoing all of those other ideas. Not at all in the spirit of what we are doing.

Posted by dum dum dugan on 2008-02-27 12:07:11
Choices
Add Spider-Man MAX (And before someone veto's this, let it STAY for the adults, OK?
Cancel Spider-Man family

Posted by the darkone on 2008-02-27 12:17:50
cancel: wolverine origins and make wolverine twice monthly.

add: silver surfer ongoing
add: atlantis: the aftermath

Posted by monstersandgods on 2008-02-27 12:18:23
SIlver surfer in thy Name
To the guy who asked if anyone else liked it:

It was little to wordy for my taste, the silver surfer is a great character with plenty of depth and I dont think the mini developed him enough.

Posted by monstersandgods on 2008-02-27 12:23:56
Add:: Atlantis: the aftermath

Posted by monstersandgods on 2008-02-27 12:30:09
cancel
ultimates 3 (i have never been so disappointed in a book before)

bring on a new defenders book
veto ulitmate x-men ( someone can fix it)

Posted by jsoweidy on 2008-02-27 12:31:11
sorry, I can't stop thinking about this MAX idea:
'Masters of Evil' is a wonderful idea, after Thunderbolts , the point of view of full-time vilains...really great.
sounds like 'soon I'll be invincible'.

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-27 12:54:09
MARVEL VS CAPCOM 3
CANCEL: Young X-men, Wolverine First Class

New Book: Wolverine MAX

New Videogame: Marvel vs Capcom 3!!!!!!!! C'mon... you now we want it

Posted by Yayo75 on 2008-02-27 13:14:11
Veto cancelling Marvel Illustrated. I don't read it, but I like the concept of giving a kid a different way of learning the classic stories without having to read the book, or watch the movie.

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-27 13:19:33
Zombies!
Played out. Like zombies themselves this idea refuses to die. Zombie titles are lame and zombie variant covers are even lamer.
Spin offs of major events. WWH aftersmash warbound. I know these are minis so they will go away eventually, but spare us next time around. Give those creative teams something else to do. These titles are busy work.
Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer and Nick Fury all need titles.
Journey into fear or whatever with Man-thing looks cool.

Posted by TConway on 2008-02-27 13:27:14
Cancel: Spider-Girl

Add: Slapstick on-going (with the original creative team)

Posted by johnlewis on 2008-02-27 13:42:04
Veto: Guardians of the Galaxy. I think this book will be great.

Cancel: Wolverine:Origins, I'll jump on this bandwagon. I mean another storyline about wolverine's past? When does being mysterious stop being mysterious?

Add: Doctor Strange ongoing. If a concept as stupid as Harry Potter can make billions than a character that's actually interesting should be a no brainer. Don't just use magic as an easy out, draw a outline for some rules of magic and stick by them. Stephen is a pretty cool character that's criminally underused and underappreciated.

Second: Any Fury ongoing. Agent of Shield was brilliant. People forget that guys like Jack Bauer are just cheap knock offs to the original and still best. Figure 24 but with superheroes/villians. That concept couldn't suck if you tried.

Posted by moral_d on 2008-02-27 13:54:14
New Title: Orson Randall & The Confederates of the Curious

Cancel: Wolverine Origins

Posted by comicglen on 2008-02-27 14:17:22
Oh for crying out loud, could someone at Marvel please change this inane system of self-moderation so we don't get posts disappearing all the time. It truly stifles conversation.

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-02-27 15:54:09
Veto: Ghost Rider. The current storyline screams old grindhouse flick, which is amazing

Cancel: Wolverine Origins. Well not so much cancel, just re-boot it on the MAX imprint, as a proper ongoing dark, gritty bloody story of Logan's past

Add: Deadpool monthly. Hey wait, this is already happening later this year. WOOHOO!

Posted by djsaiyan on 2008-02-27 16:57:46
cancel the avengers books

new title: 1 avengers book and get a proper writer and artist who are true to the characters. It was a good book before the period of the disassembled rubish. I guess readers have suffered long enough the crap that is going on in those titles today....

Posted by oppeneer on 2008-02-27 17:18:22
Pick One
I feel like CylverSaber vetoed way too many books. One or two is okay but that's almost half the books vetoed in one post.

Posted by mace randu on 2008-02-27 17:25:47
Pick one
Cancel: any one of the 23,000 X-titles.

New: Not new, just KEEP The Order!

Posted by Aesc on 2008-02-27 17:33:50
Avengers reassemble
Cancel: New Avengers . . . it's just not an Avengers team. By all means let Brian Bendis keep the team going, but call 'em the Secret Defenders, which is what they are. They're a street level strikeforce of slow-to-act ninnies, not the world's mightiest heroes (and don't quote Mighty Avengers at me, that's just Brian Bendis showing once again that he doesn't get superhero team books).

Add: Defenders ongoing after Joe Casey's Last Defenders mini - how many great minis has Casey got to write before Marvel trust him with a project he has loads of enthusiasm for. And Nighthawk is one of the greatest underused characters at Marvel.

Veto: the veto . . . this whole veto business makes things over-confusing. Why not just let the pro and con opinions stack up?

Posted by Volthoom on 2008-02-27 17:58:59
///Pick One
I feel like CylverSaber vetoed way too many books. One or two is okay but that's almost half the books vetoed in one post.

Posted by mace randu on 2008-02-27 17:25:47///

Wasn't he just doing a 'sum-up' list?

Posted by Volthoom on 2008-02-27 18:01:55
Squadron Supreme!
I thought Squadron Supreme was turning into a really great book when it got derailed and directed into the Ultimate Power crossover. That deserves its own book, especially if you get the same creative team back.

As much as I loved the reboot of Mook Knight, once they took Huston and Finch off that book it really lost almost all of its direction. It's ripe for the cancelling (so sad).

Posted by sirviz on 2008-02-27 19:12:04
Pick One
///Pick One
I feel like CylverSaber vetoed way too many books. One or two is okay but that's almost half the books vetoed in one post.

Posted by mace randu on 2008-02-27 17:25:47///

Wasn't he just doing a 'sum-up' list?

Posted by Volthoom on 2008-02-27 19:08:16
It says what he was vetoing from the "Add" and "Cancel" list

Vetoing:

Add New Nick Fury: Agent of Shield
Add Agent of Shield Black Ops
Add Non US team book
Add Winter Soldier : The Lost Years
Add Howling Commandoes (2 votes)
Add Patriot/Winter Soldier/Falcon wacky Team-Up book
Add Nick Fury book
Add Global mutants book
Add Ultimate Spider-Woman
Add Original Marvel Two-in-One w/Ben Grimm
Add Marvel Spotlight (off the wall stories)
Add Section 616 (Torchwood meets Eureka)
Add the life and times of orson randall
Add Max Jessica Drew
Add Tales to astonish
Add Illuminati ongoing
Add New Defenders
Add Ultimate Hulk ongoing
Add Cage in Solo series
Add Doc Strange/ Luke Cage

Also vetoing:

Cancel New Exiles (3 votes)
Cancel X-Men First class
Cancel Avengers Classic

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-02-27 11:54:21


Posted by mace randu on 2008-02-27 19:29:51
my nominations
cancel: new warriors - it's on the bottom of the pile when my roommate shows me what he picked up at the store on any given week. too many issues have gone by without me being excited.

add: Marvel Team Up - Nick Fury & ... (or Dr. Strange & ...) - 2 characters that I think are more interesting and would sell better with team-up stories...good long spy & magic plotlines.

veto: wolverine-origins. yes he's oversaturated, but if this'll only be a 60 issue run, then so be it. let the man finish his tale.

Posted by RobClose on 2008-02-27 19:40:44
My choices
Cancel: Wolverine Origins
Add: This is probably going to be vetoed, but I think it's time that 2099 made a return

Posted by MUMU2211 on 2008-02-27 21:34:22
There's no limit to the amount of books you're allowed to veto. And I'm not vetoing willy-nilly; I leave what I think are good choices.

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-02-27 21:52:45
Saber
Too late, man. I vetoed your post. It was power mad. Power mad!
DDD

Posted by dum dum dugan on 2008-02-27 22:36:16
Veto canceling Nova; hands down that is one of my favorite books around now. If I could I'd subscribe in under a heartbeat. I recommend it to any fan Star Wars, Star Trek, or any space-epics.

New book: LiveWires (that often forgotten mini about LMD-like mechs who go around doing black-ops work against other research organizations was really filling a niche with its mix of mystery, action, and humor. Humor is important. I love the intrigue of Iron Man, Captain America, etc, but I like a little fun in my comics too.)

Cancel: Moon Knight

Posted by Dreet on 2008-02-28 00:52:58
I'd say the best thing to do at the moment would be to put Spider-Man otu to pasture and make Deadpool Marvel's new poster child...heck, give HIM the Thrice-Monthly!

Posted by The Gecko on 2008-02-28 03:04:31
VETO: Canceling Mighty Avengers, I'm enjoying the current arc and have had a lot of fun reading it. It's a good compiment to New Avengers.

CANCEL: Avengers Initiative, it's the weakest of the current Avengers titles

ADD: Orson Randall & The Confederates of the Curious, The Iron-Fist one shot was really fun. It made me think I like Orson's Iron Fist more than Danny. I think the whole Iron Fist Concept Jives really well with Orson's era and I could potentially see a very cool The Shadow influence on the book.

Posted by shapierian on 2008-02-28 04:57:09
VETO: cancelling Daredevil. If I understand the concept of this exercise correctly, we're not voting against or for the direction a title is heading right now, it's the concept of the book we're judging. Or?

ADD: Since my original suggestion got shot down as "another Wolverine book", I'd like to add my voice to the chorus demanding an ongoing Orson Randall series.


Posted by Josef Karven on 2008-02-28 06:09:31
CANCEL: all MC2 titles (spider-girl, etc.), Wolverine: Origins, Young X-men, all First Class books
ADD: A new central female character (no idea what)


Posted by shaunbed on 2008-02-28 07:14:34
^^

Jackpot maybe?

Posted by djsaiyan on 2008-02-28 08:42:47
VETO: canceling Ultimate FF, New Avengers, and Mighty Avengers. I agree that NA and MA are redundant, I'm hoping to see some kind of merger come out of Secret Invasion.

CANCEL: X-Force. I can see it as a recurring mini, not as an ongoing. How many times can Cyclops say that such-and-such mission is exceptional, we need to send in the murderous psychopaths? But I'm sure it will make buckets of money...

ADD: Nick Fury or Orson Randall ongoing. Would like to see Fraction take on either/both. A new Cage/Iron Fist would be cool.

Posted by baron1971 on 2008-02-28 09:08:33
I vetoed CylverSaber
So in my continuity, his vetos didn't exist. Mephisto...poof!

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2008-02-28 10:07:33
VETO: canceling Ultimate FF, New Avengers, and Mighty Avengers. I agree that NA and MA are redundant, I'm hoping to see some kind of merger come out of Secret Invasion.

CANCEL: X-Force. I can see it as a recurring mini, not as an ongoing. How many times can Cyclops say that such-and-such mission is exceptional, we need to send in the murderous psychopaths? But I'm sure it will make buckets of money...

ADD: Nick Fury or Orson Randall ongoing. Would like to see Fraction take on either/both. A new Cage/Iron Fist would be cool.

Posted by baron1971 on 2008-02-28 10:47:19
add: a book that shows how other nations are dealing with post House of M/Civil War situation. Spotlight how different countries are starting/restarting their own supersoldier programs or dealing with superhuman threats. it could feature anyone from the Eternals to the Winter Guard in Russia.

Posted by CaptainAmazing on 2008-02-28 11:16:40
How can you veto any marvel book?
I might have suggested something like: veto The Order, or Cable & Deadpool, but that's already been done. I want to say Amazing Spider-Man (he's become irrelevant to the Marvel U since One More Day) but that will never happen so I must make another hard choice, I'll have to choose something that I read so i can't say something like: Exiles/new Exiles or Daredevil or any Ultimate book, and I won't pick one of the less important books such as Spider-Man Family, so I'm left with the choice between She-Hulk and Black Panther. Panther has a lot of potential and kind of needs his own book, while She-Hulk could easily make her presence felt in another Marvel title. (wouldn't it be interesting to see She-Hulk forced into SHIELD service alongside Iron Man and watch her tormented by her sense of duty and conflicted feeleings of being betrayed or forced into servitude?) I guess I'll have to say She-Hulk.

What to add, What to add. I feel that one of the best books to come out since the Avengers Disassembled was Civil War Frontline. The Marvl Universe needs a book that closely resembles that. Not necessarily Frontline or the Pulse, but an ongoing title that focuses on the ramifications of the Marvel U on the general population of non heroes, A title that combines Damage Control, the Daily Bugle, Frontline, the Pulse and has a small presence by Jen Walters' law firm (with or without Jen Walters). This would be an interesting book to say the least, that could only be done in the Marvel U, that could be a powerful voice and a valuable source of social commentary and


Posted by voidkampf on 2008-02-28 11:25:24
Mutanto Marvel Max
Cancel: New warriors

Add; Marvel Max Wolverine or Marvel Max Gambit (i know there all old cajun comics was horrible, but he have a lot of potential in a solo Max comic)

Posted by redbass27 on 2008-02-28 11:27:41
sorry
^^
there was no and, that was all I had to say

Posted by voidkampf on 2008-02-28 11:29:00
Can we pls get a summary list to close off the thread? ta

Posted by NewChad on 2008-02-28 11:36:58
Cancel: New Avengers (with current lineup)
Add: New Avengers: Nick Fury (leader), Falcon, Luke Cage, Captain America, Iron Fist, Cloak and Dagger, Black Widow
i like the idea of a not-so-uber-powerful avengers, but i think this team might be able to rock some espionage missions. i have no idea how these characters would work together, but i think they're all pretty interesting

Posted by The Green Ranger on 2008-02-28 14:59:48
Cancel: Wolverine: Origins

Add: A Magazine-like Anthology book. Marvel's got a lot of great characters that don't necessarily generate enough sales to carry their own books, but can still generate an interesting story and can be included alongside other more popular characters, with perhaps some classic story reprints. Something like Marvel Comics Presents except bigger, something that might include columns by creators or editors, maybe an issue with a photo tour of the Marvel Offices. I guess I'm thinking of something more like a Marvel Magazine something with a variety of content to entice potential new readers and interesting features for old readers.

Posted by seanmann on 2008-02-28 15:16:59
My Votes
Cancel: Ghost Rider - I was never interested in the character and he came to represent so much of what was bad about the 90s era. He's better served as a guest star now and again.

Add: A international hero team/task force. marvel has some great international characters who linger in Limbo (Sabra, Collective Man, Alpha Flight characters, Darkstar, Sunfire, etc.) and either are unexplored or used as cannon fodder (coughDARKSTARcough). They need a title to call their own!

Posted by Binaryan on 2008-02-28 17:35:08
My Veto Votes.......
....Are for the following comics.....

AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE
NEW WARRIORS...{For it appears that Mr. Grevioux is starting to get his strife with this Month's issue [#9]}....
NOVA



Posted by PaxHouse on 2008-02-29 12:45:37
Cancel/Create
Cancel: The new Logan series coming out. Yeah, it's a limited, but ANOTHER Wolverine comic? Really?

Create: I like the Dr. Strange idea - "The Oath" limited was fantastic. But a real challenge? Two words: Brother Voodoo.

Posted by Mosher on 2008-03-02 16:49:04
CANCEL: Wolverine Origins

Create: Nick Fury and Dr. Strange's Super Awesome Kick #!%#@@ Power Hour Team Up Extravaganza One-Shot Limited Series!

(Maybe the title needs work, but it would be neat to see those two playing off each other and trying to out-do and command each other around) Watever, I can dream can't I? :frown:

Posted by Magneto557 on 2008-03-02 17:23:30
Oh well.. Cancel/Create
Oh well, i guess some of this doesn't work either. sigh headaches for Marvel employees lol



Posted by driver308 on 2008-03-03 04:53:58
Cancel/Create
Why flag my response as offensive? When it's just seems messy imo on this thread, and i was teasing about it.. maybe i should of put instead Just kidding, and then lol?

Posted by driver308 on 2008-03-03 05:00:27
Vetos and votes
veto: bringing Jean Grey back from the dead or turning the Avengers back into a book about sorry @$$ b-listers following cap or Ironman around.
also veto cancelling New Exiles. I support any useless title that keeps Claremont far away from the good characters and regular continuity.

Cancel: The Initiative

Add: An X-Men title other than astonishing (which is about to end anyway) that I actually want to read

Posted by ZombieJarvis on 2008-03-03 12:11:55
I take that back, X-Factor has been great so far.

Posted by ZombieJarvis on 2008-03-03 12:14:00
I agree with cancelling or at least altering "The New Warriors". Nine issues in and nothing has happened! I picked up the book originally because I liked the Jubilee, Chamber and Wind Dancer characters in their original incarnations, but the characterizations are all wrong. And, unless you are really up on your Marvel continuity, it is impossible to tell who is who during the fight scenes with whichever B-List Villain group they happen to be battling. I have every issue so far, but I am about to drop this book.

Same for cancelling or altering “Wolverine: Origins”. What have I learned about Wolverine from this book that I didn’t already know? That he has another illegitimate kid? Great.

I second the notion of adding a book along the lines of “The Losers”. That book was terrific and utilized characters that had been terribly underused. If they could find a way to incorporate former New Mutants into this concept (and have them sound like themselves unlike in the aforementioned “New Warriors”), I’d be all for it.


Posted by Nock on 2008-03-03 12:49:35
Cancel / Create
Cancel: Wolverine: Origins (Too much Wolverine, and he worked better with his past a mystery.)
Create: Sleepwalker (Retooled to focus the Sleepwalker into the mysterious world of Alien Abduction. Think, Superhero X-Files.)

Posted by cartoonist on 2008-03-04 11:12:05
I'm with those who want to add a more "adult" Spider-Man title, one that picks up with Pete telling Mephisto to shove his deal.

Veto cancelling ASM. No matter what some may think of OMD, this is THE face of Marvel. If he goes, the company goes with it. Sorry, but facts are facts. Without Spidey drawing people into Marvel and catching on to their other titles, there would be no Marvel. That would be like DC cancelling Superman...ain't gonna happen, people.

Cancel Captain America. Steve Rogers is dead; let Cap die with him. Then we won't have to have a pretender behind the Shield.

Posted by bjason316 on 2008-03-04 13:20:13
Tom, Are you listening???
Whoever posted the new ongoing Howling Commandos is a genius. A Black-Ops team led by Nick Fury (SHIELD related or not) starring some of Marvel's most kick-@$$ spymasters would be AWESOME!!! Fury could even blackmail some other characters into doing some missions like the Punisher, Wolverine, Emma Frost, or any characters which need a sales boost or attention in another title as rotating cast members for special missions. The tone would need to be dark and gritty (appealing to that 13-25 year old demographic), and not everyone has to survive. Some of the characters might not work out (Hawkeye needs to be an Avenger and he needs to be in HIS costume, and though the Winter Soldier would be absolutely perfect, Brubaker is using him quite well right now as the new Cap), but the consensus is that this would be a HIT!!! You could even bring back the old standard of Mighty Marvel cover captions: "BECAUSE YOU DEMANDED IT!!!". I will even volunteer my services to draw it.

Posted by sammassey on 2008-03-04 15:04:44
Howling Commandos
Sammassey, just wanted to thank you for liking my idea and calling me a genius. I think your idea of having Fury pressure Punisher, et al, into part-time service is excellent. Granted, my Hawkeye casting call is more of an "Ultimate Hawkeye" kind of thing, but he's been kind of surly since coming back from the dead, and I felt that he'd be willing to get a little dirty in Cap's memory. I would certainly have him in his costume, though. And I do love Bucky as Cap right now, so this can wait until Steve inevitably returns. Anyway- thanks for liking my idea.

Posted by SDKtheGAME on 2008-03-04 17:07:19
add: torn between an xtitle lead by nightcrawler and that new mutants/new warriors title. im going to choose the last one though. cancel: wolverine origins nuff said

Posted by LoganBattleaxe on 2008-03-04 22:01:27
New team of 90's guys
IN:
I say take a group of guys who had titles in the 90s that didn't work out and put them on a team together with a higher profile leader. Say Sleepwalker, Deathlok, Darkhawk, Morbius, Ghost Rider, with Dr. Strange as leader.

Out: I would say Wolverine Origins but it has a set number of issues. After that I say fold the New/Mighty Avengers into a single book again titled Avengers.

On a side note to everyone complaining about Cyclops ordering kids to kill. Have any of you considered he might be one of the top picks for Skrull infiltration?

Posted by dgonaz on 2008-03-07 10:43:50