SWEEEET!
Thanks for sharing Brevoort! :D

Can't wait to see what's next!



Posted by Aziroth on 2008-08-16 14:06:42
Who is the artist on Mighty Avengers #18? The style looks familiar somehow, but I can't think of where I've seen it before.

Posted by Michael Heide on 2008-08-16 15:16:02
The Mighty Avengers page looks like it was done by Stefano Caselli. Additionally, Caselli was listed as the artist for Avengers: The Initiative #17 but Harvey Tolibao is the penciler on the page of art from that particular issue.

Mighty #18 and A:TI #17 come out the same month so I'm guessing that they swapped out Pham for Caselli on Mighty in September and gave another A:TI fill-in issue to Harvey Tolibao. If I'm right, this is probably (at least in part) done to give Koi Pham a jump start on his post-SI run of Mighty Avengers.

If I'm way off, anyone in the know @ Marvel please feel free to correct me.

Posted by friskydingo on 2008-08-16 15:27:11
I just saw this as someone's signature on a Spider-Man message board:

"Tom Brevoot is wrong.

FACT."

Of course it's wrong, it's spelt Brevoort. :)

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-16 21:28:20
Don't bother showing us Spider-Man Art
Don't bother showing us Spider-Man art because you have pissed off all of your fans. We're not reading Spider-Man because OMD/BND is pure crap. We're not spending our money with you.

We don't want a Spidey who makes deals with the devil.

We don't want a comics company who gives us the middle finger and tells us that the last 20 years didn't happen the way we know it did.

Marvel... listen to your fans.

WE HATE BRAND NEW DAY! WE FREAKING HATE IT! WE WON'T BUY IT!

Posted by HiddenVorlon on 2008-08-17 19:53:24
Speak for yourself, HV
I like seeing the Spidey art, and I've been buying the OPD/BND stuff--- and absolutely loving it. I'm a Marvel fan who's been collecting over twenty years, and while I didn't love the OMD ending--- I've moved on and, like the overwhelming majority of fans (if sales numbers are any indication) I'm really enjoying BND.

So, on behalf of the Marvel fans that HiddenVorlon DOESN'T speak for--- we love Brand New Day. And we're buying it in huge numbers,

But then, I guess that much was self-evident from the sales, huh?

Posted by Gentleman Jack on 2008-08-17 21:20:19
Yeah, I like Brand New Day as well.

Posted by Michael Heide on 2008-08-18 01:39:41
Oh, and thanks, friskydingo.

Posted by Michael Heide on 2008-08-18 01:40:04
Thank You Mr.Brevoort
Whatever HiddenVorlon. I also like BND, Gentlemen Jack and Michael Heide. Thank you for posting preview pictures Tom.

Posted by p0kemaster on 2008-08-18 02:58:42
yes me too I love ya all
but what I really wanted to say is I like very much the way War Machine had been turning on, he reminds me one of my favourite character ,Deathlock who never had been really bankable ( a zombie-robot ) and that's well pity.

I 'd like to share with you all a link from CBR , a panel of Grant Morrison at San-Diego about the spirit of super-heroes, it would be great if we can start a chat with it, maybe about new concepts, or, I'd like to know what's define a super-hero from you Tom...




http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17491

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-08-18 11:01:51
Tom, don't listen to all of your fans, just the vast majority, who actually like this stuff (and don't get all loudmouthed and angry about it).

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-18 12:06:23
yep...something's telling me I'll could have my steampunk -moment:
WarMachine versus The Reavers...

'scuse me, did one of you said something ?

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-08-18 15:16:18
It's nice
It's nice that so many of you enjoy a good deal of the artwork and story that Marvel produces. I like it too, I've loved some things in the past and occasionally hated some of the things I've read.

However, I don't agree with calling what is currently called the "Amazing Spider-man," spider-man. The problem is that a core of the character is plucked out along with its history and soul.

I think that Marvel should definitely continue producing material such as this because there is a clear audience for it. My bone to pick is that Marvel continues to call it Spider-man when it is clearly not. This is not a new direction, this is a dramatic alteration of the fictional reality and has no connection with what has historically been known as spider-man other that the plagiarism of Spider-man's powers and accompanying character names.

Make mine again someday Marvel.

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-08-18 20:48:33
It's nice
It's nice that people are enjoying new art and story lines. I like a lot of what Marvel puts out. I've truly loved a lot of what it has put out in the past. I grew up on it.

However, my bone to pick is what is currently being called "the Amazing Spider-man." The character spider-man was put to rest last winter. The facsimile that is put out now seems to be well enjoyed by many fans and I say "Good for them!" But this is not Spider-man, that character was gutted of its history and its soul.

What is being enjoyed by some is a quasi-plagiarized version of a character I have loved for many years.

I guess my core argument should be shifted from returning spider-man to "The Amazing Spider-man," to at the very least stop calling this art that everyone enjoys "The Amazing Spider-man."

Please and thank you.

Make mine again marvel.

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-08-18 21:17:31
It's a shame you think that, Dave. The current "Amazing Spider-Man" is more like the character as created by Steve Ditko and Stan Lee than anything they've published in the past twenty-odd years. Funny, that.

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-18 21:30:20
Shame
Characters are not static. Reverting a character to what it was 40 (not 20) years back during the Steve Ditko days is replaying a 45 (not an 8-track), again and again.

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-08-18 21:37:15
So how many of the book's current readers were reading it back in 1962? 1972? Probably less than 5% of them...

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-19 10:24:04
Statistics
Are you sure its 5%, maybe 6% why not 5.5%? My point was not who was reading what and when, rather character's, truly great character's are derived and grown from a detailed and cherished history. The character they are currently calling "Spider-man" is not the character that was extinguish back in December.

It honestly could be 4%, I don't have my slide ruler with me though.

Make mine again Marvel.

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-08-19 18:26:02
Fetsur, I just LOVE hear you talking about quota of acceptable loss; that's fresh, that's so pretty clever..

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-08-20 01:12:00
But isn't he right? I don't mind throwing those 5% (or 4, or 6, or 25, that's not the point here) a bone every now and then. But not if it costs Marvel new readers. Because they are what's important in the long run. They, and the new readers after them, and the ones after that, and so on.

Posted by Michael Heide on 2008-08-20 10:49:04
- oh thank you
the problem is actually that you are throwing 'bones'.
the old readers who feel betrayed where the ones who make marvel existing at one pecular moment. I think you'll get the difference one day or another.

I'm not the devil's advocate, I'm the first to not giving a s..t to the complains about OMBND, I'm interested by stories and I can take the good and the bad in what I'm reading. If you want my opinion, you'll find ever some good things from the poorest reads.

It upset me to hear 'ok let them get lost' from a publisher in the so-called 'new reader friendly ' policy . The fact that each comics can be the first comics in your life spare us so many times ' his name is logan, he's the best at what he's doing' and so on, sentences who were right in a specifical context, but perpetually re-used became just boring. Plus it totally unvalue the works of previous and challengers artists, and had make them reversible ( new or old author, what's the difference now ? ). If the story of the first comics you had picked -up is good, you'll be wanting to know more anyway, your usual readers would like to have the feeling to not read not the same story over and over but stories told the same way anytimes. So now I'd like to know what cost you the most, why it is easier to throw off some of your old readership instead of re-questioning yourself.
Following your post, I could tell you this: as readers comes and goes around,it ( your policy ) is still working until now, it will not be always the case.

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-08-20 11:46:19
SORRY :
(...) but stories NOT told the same way anytimes.

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-08-20 11:49:11
Michael, you and I need to set up our own line of Magneto-style "Quesada was right" t-shirts...

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-20 11:58:00
may I ask you to some precisions about this one ?

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-08-20 13:17:56