it changes everything......, what do we win ?

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-08-29 13:04:38
There are no winners here, only losers.

Personally I'm going with Rawhide Kid. Making a western hero into a gay icon is good, making one into an offensive joke is bad and making him into an unfunny offensive joke just makes me want to clean my hands of the whole thing.

Posted by JdRavnos on 2008-08-29 13:34:42
I am gonna vote for...
I vote agaisnt the King Sized hulk Issue 5 where Red Hulk beat Thor.

Horrific inconsistencies involving Thor and the Watcher. Thor doesn't yap, he fights. But that is what Loeb had Thor do and his defeat to Red Hulk was a bit lame. Given Thor's current power levels, he should have been able to defeat the Red Hulk.

Or, if the Red Hulk had to come out victorious, he should have attained the victory after a very difficult battle.

Posted by Aziroth on 2008-08-29 13:53:54
Mark Millar's "Trouble"
Aunt May cheated on Uncle Ben and is Peter's real mom? This story is so convoluted I'm not even sure I'm getting it right, but i do know that it made my brain bleed.
This comic alone has left me unable to think of Mark Millar as anything other than a professional fanfic writer.

Posted by Shonzi on 2008-08-29 13:59:47
I nominate the entire 'Hulk' series
this garbage by Loeb is the worst. Ban rulk everyone says.

Posted by ariesmarvel on 2008-08-29 14:13:21
Uh, guys... The time for nominations is over. There are ten comic books. Each of us can veto one of them.

I veto Soldier X. Darko Macan should write more Marvel books.

Posted by Michael Heide on 2008-08-29 14:26:37
No, we are still allowed one nomination
I'm bummed that the Loeb/Wolverine silliness was vetoed, but I don't want to veto any of the above books, they were all pretty horrible.

So, I'll second the nomination for Red Hulk 5..that vs. Thor fight was the dumbest, non-Marvel-Universe sense making mess since...the aforementioned Wolverine run.

Posted by onefinemess on 2008-08-29 14:30:26
Thinking about these comics was bad enough, but seeing all the covers on display at one time?? It's appalling and funny at the same time. As hard a decision as it is to pick just one, I'm gonna stick with my nomination, Rawhide Kid. And now to try and shove the memory of that garbage way back down deep...

Posted by ncmtntop on 2008-08-29 14:32:19
Nomination / vote
I also use my vote to nominate HULK #5. That depiction and treatment of Thor was puuuuure c - r - a - p.

If it get's vetoed, my vote on the ten finalists would be for ULTIMATES 3 #4.

Posted by Bladai on 2008-08-29 15:09:58
Sorry, these are bad but I still gotta go with Amazing Spider-Man# 545......Nothing tops that:)

Posted by rebeldragon on 2008-08-29 15:17:40
NFL Superpro wasn't on the list? SHINANIGANS! *LOL*

Lets see... Trouble is for a niche market that Marvel isn't known to target so I don't see it as being a bad comic per se. So I can't vote for that.

Rawhide Kid... didn't read it, but I think some homophobia can influence people's votes on this comics. I can't vote for that.

Black Sun... I can't do that to Claremont. No vote.

The others I haven't read so I can't vote for them.

With the exception of Onslaught Reborn. I missed it's release, but I had some bargain bin examples. Onslaught sucked. So did Onslaught Reborn. That gets my vote.

But I still think NFL Superpro Annual #1 (The Superbowl Special) should have been on that list. Or any NFL Superpro comic. Maybe when you do a 'Worst Hero Idea' vote?

Posted by DRock1 on 2008-08-29 15:31:47
Change my vote?
OH! So I can nominate a veto? Oops, sorry. Change my mind.

I will go with NFL Superpro Special Edition #1. The reason I pick it over all other comics was not just because it was a bad sellout gimmick. The whole series is guilty of that, but otherwise it's an average read. The reason I pick NFL Superpro Special Edition #1 out of all other NFL Superpro comics is because of the really bad origin story with a hole in the explanation big enough for a Mac truck to drive through. That is my final vote. That's it. Done.

Posted by DRock1 on 2008-08-29 15:53:57
Ugh....
This is what we came up with? Ok...

I barely remember Black Sun
Didn't read US1, or Onslaught Reborn
MARVILLE #7 WASN'T A COMIC!!!! It was an intro to the EPIC line. How does that count???
Maximum Clonage was the beginning of the END of era that people hated, although they still miss Ben Reilley. Go figure...
Ultimates 3 #4 - are you kidding me?
Rawhide Kid and Trouble had decent content, it just wasn't accepted by both. Dodson's art on Trouble, I believe. I read RK and it wasn't awful.
Soldier X was good. DAMN good. It wasn't "big gun Cable" but it was cool.

So from this we're left with VENOM: NIGHTS OF VENGEANCE. OK, I'll vote for that - but we both know there's been worse.


Posted by pmpknface on 2008-08-29 15:55:12
My vote
Ultimates 3 #4. (I read it in-store to avoid contributing to sales.)

Posted by tech knight on 2008-08-29 16:09:11
The fact that so many people here have trouble with basic reading comprehension kind of explains how so many crappy comics could become so popular.

For the reading impaired: Vote for the one comic you think is worst. Yes, you can name a comic that isn't on the list. No, you cannot nominate one that's already been vetoed. And no, you can't veto anymore.

Clear?

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-08-29 16:32:34
Vote: NFL Superpro Special Edition #1
Previous misguided enthusiam aside... I wonder what happened to my vote? It disappeared? Was it offensive? Don't see how...

Ok then, my vote, final vote, goes to NFL Superpro Special Edition #1. I checked and found no veto's for NFL Superpro in the last blog, but found that nobody (myself included) did not specify a particular issue. So there you go. I specified one. I hope some others will vote the same way.

Why did I pick this one? It has all the sins of the Superpro series. Basic plot, average art, lame football puns and.... the fact that Marvel sold out to the NFL so that the NFL could have their own superhero (that idea is repugnant to me). But this one sticks out the most because the origin had enough holes in it to drive a Mac truck through.

And now I hope this doesn't disappear.

Posted by DRock1 on 2008-08-29 16:42:45
I would love to nominate all of Loeb's Hulk stuff so far, but if since your just asking for one issue then Hulk #5 easily. That's the worst written Hulk comic I've ever read.

Posted by NeonHulk on 2008-08-29 16:44:08
My vote.
Big veto on Hulk #5 (and all of Loeb's Hulk). It's a very fun book with some great work done by McGuinness.

Onslaught Reborn gets my vote.

Posted by Hrungr on 2008-08-29 17:03:05
my vote
I´ll go with trouble.Onslaught Reborn is a winner too.

Posted by claudio pahl on 2008-08-29 17:10:38
worst comic ever
well from the list i would vote for ultimates3#4, if i could throw anything else in there it would be hulk#5 and pretty much anything else jeph loeb has ever written for marvel.

Posted by kidhulk78 on 2008-08-29 17:19:12
VOTE:
Ultimates 3 #4. There is no excuse.

Posted by The Gecko on 2008-08-29 17:22:06
worst comic ever
from the list ultimates3#4 .if i could throw anything else in hulk#5,and basically any marvel work by jeph loeb


Posted by kidhulk78 on 2008-08-29 17:25:54
Every thing Loeb has written for Hulk needs to be erased. The Hulk title and each issue is horrible. Not one worthy battle scene to call epic.

Posted by Maestro(LOVE@HELL) on 2008-08-29 17:42:05
Leob's Hulk #5
Wost comic ever in my 30 years of comic reading. The ink was trying to jump off the pages it was so embarrased.

Posted by kevinmarvel on 2008-08-29 17:59:38
What are all those comics other than Onslaught doing there? I thought Matt Adler vetoed "EVERYTHING". I pretty much gave up on this game after that...

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-29 18:48:22
I am the Clone Saga's biggest fan (check out my username and see how its relevant to the storyline) but Maximum Clonage was pure garbage. Thank God the rest of the Saga was gold....

Maximum Clonage gets my vote

Posted by Miles_Warren on 2008-08-29 18:54:14
Amazing Spider-Man #545
Amazing Spider-Man #545. Spider-Man becomes Faust. I could easily vote for one of the later issues in which his life becomes happier because he made a deal with the Marvel Universe's proxy-Devil (also throwing two decades of Marvel continuity into limbo), but it's best to vote for the issue where it happened.

Posted by bobadventures on 2008-08-29 19:48:18
My vote: Amazing Spider-man 545
This is the issue that destroyed my interest in Spider-man and caused me to cancel 90% of my Marvel titles. It erased the continuity and timelines that I followed for over three decades and that my son had begun to follow, and it erased Peter Parker's marriage. There is no worse comic book published, EVER. Nor has there ever been a comic book that has had such a lasting negative impact afterward. It needs to be undone.

So, yeah, my write-in vote is Amazing Spider-man 545

Posted by jeffgamer on 2008-08-29 20:00:57
"What are all those comics other than Onslaught doing there? I thought Matt Adler vetoed "EVERYTHING". I pretty much gave up on this game after that..."

They were nominated afterwards, and I thnk they're all pretty worthy contenders, except maybe for the Venom one which I don't remember as being particularly bad one way or another.

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-08-29 21:23:12
Couldn't come up with my own
But, I add my vote to Ultimates 3 #4. Hard to read, hard to look at.

Posted by hamgravy on 2008-08-29 21:32:43
I vote Maximum Clonage
I vote Maximum Clonage

Posted by Mardochaeus LXX on 2008-08-29 22:13:40
Hulk #5 worst.comic.ever
obviously Hulk #5, but since it's not on the list i will go with Ultimates Vol 3 #4 cuz Loeb wrote that piece of garbage too

Posted by lion_of_olympus on 2008-08-29 22:24:17
Vote for Hulk #5 as well
Guess the votes for Hulk #5 weren't enough

Posted by ccrashh on 2008-08-29 22:32:57
Hmmm.. "unvetoed"?
If this is the "unvetoed list", what comics were "vetoed' and why?

Posted by ccrashh on 2008-08-29 22:36:18
Amazing Spider-Man #545
Definitely. The day Spider-Man ended.

Posted by SaveSpidey on 2008-08-29 23:07:28
Amazing Spider-Man #545
Clearly the worst story of all time is Amazing Spider-Man #545, where a hero (?) makes a deal with the devil, because we all know that turns up roses for the person making the deal. What happened to with great power comes great responsibility?

Posted by spider-dad on 2008-08-29 23:10:14
My vote goes to venom: nights of vengeance
That entire series looks like it was written in 5 minutes. Poor characterization, hollow plot and senseless fight scenes do not make a good comic. Venom writers should follow the example of Daniel Way.

Posted by paradoxical on 2008-08-29 23:50:11
amazing spider man #545
my write in vote is for ASM #545.

Posted by derorkenkeiser on 2008-08-29 23:51:06
amazing spider-man 545
Definitly the worst, Hulk 5 is a close second

Posted by JJEF3 on 2008-08-30 00:23:50
Amazing Spider-Man #545
It can't be anything but ASM #545, the comic that truly "broke" Marvel's best character.

Posted by Morbius on 2008-08-30 00:34:28
Amazing Spider-Man #545
It can't be anything but ASM #545, the comic that truly "broke" Marvel's best character.

Posted by Morbius on 2008-08-30 00:34:53
Ultimates 3 #4.

I'm sorry, Joe, you killed on the artwork but this series is just one big colossal regressive turd.

It must be punished.

Posted by Dr. Chaos on 2008-08-30 00:55:00
Oh yeah?!?
Ultimate Power #9

'nuff said.

Posted by BlackToe on 2008-08-30 02:05:54
I vote for Trouble

Posted by Oasx on 2008-08-30 02:06:24
Hulk 5
I wish we could vote for an entire series but we cant, maybe next time. So I want it clear that my vote for worst comic ever is Hulk #5. This was so bad several issues at my LCS comitted suicide. Yup they threw themselfs into a paper shredder.

Posted by ariesmarvel on 2008-08-30 02:14:55
Oh yeah?!?
Ultimate Power #9

'nuff said.

Posted by BlackToe on 2008-08-30 02:32:29
Ultimates
Obviously Ultimates 3 # 4, Loeb's Ultimates is incredibly awful, I hate the tone, the costumes, everything. Ultimates really need Millar again. You hear me Joe Q? Make it happen. Peace.

Posted by Ironhorse on 2008-08-30 02:53:31
Hulk 5
I wish we could vote for an entire series but we cant, maybe next time. So I want it clear that my vote for worst comic ever is Hulk #5. This was so bad several issues at my LCS comitted suicide. Yup they threw themselfs into a paper shredder.

Posted by ariesmarvel on 2008-08-30 03:03:47
For Tom Brevoort
Tom, few if any know all these issues. What about making them available online so we can judge? Maximum Clonage, I know to be bad but US 1 is truly awful. Rawhide Kid wasn't bad. I've seen worse than Trouble. The rest I don't know about.

Posted by leoparis on 2008-08-30 03:59:17
This is obvious...
The worst comic, nay, literature, ever written was Amazing Spider-Man Issue 545.

My stomach churned as I turned the pages, slowly realising the Spider-Man thousands had grown to love was dying before my very eyes.

Posted by doody_duty on 2008-08-30 04:08:38
Oh that's easy
ASM #545 is the most atrocious Marvel comic I've read in years.

Just because a few certain people, not even a majority, didn't like the greatest couple in comics it gets destroyed in the dumbest way possible. Gee, thanks a lot Marvel.

Now we're stuck with a regressed Spider-man who lives in a world created by an evil demonic entity. Aunt May would be so proud.

Posted by Dark Soul # 7 on 2008-08-30 04:42:54
ASM545
Amazing Spider-Man 545 was easily the worst comic Marvel have put out. With that issue, JQ took Peter Parker out of character; he had him take the easy way out rather than accept responsibility for his actions. It's hard to believe his motto, "with great power comes great responsibility", when he made a deal with the devil that destroyed his marriage and future child to spare his own guilt over his Aunt. This issue was a huge step backwards - about 25 years backwards. I have lost all interest in Spidey books now thanks to the Spidey that issue saw the institution of. Well done on losing another long time reader, guys.

Posted by aussie macca on 2008-08-30 04:49:11
Anyone ever wonder if it's the same fan with a bunch of different screen names that doesn't like OMD or BND?

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-08-30 05:24:57
Argh.
You guys are right, of course. I honestly don't know what possessed me yesterday.

Alright, instead of vetoing Soldier X, I'll vote for Maximum Clonage.

Posted by Michael Heide on 2008-08-30 05:55:38
Throwing in my vote for...
Amazing Spider-Man #545.

Just...so much character derailment. *sigh*

Posted by HarveyEll on 2008-08-30 06:29:10
Loeb's Ultimates 3 the whole series was god awful. How does he get away with comic murder? Loeb is not a mystery comic writer. He needs to stop pretending that he is in his element writing and destroying comics. Does anybody else notice Loeb's work is on the voting block twice for horrible stories.

Posted by Maestro(LOVE@HELL) on 2008-08-30 06:42:19
Are we still vetoing?
Because I'd like to veto ASM #545. Was it brilliant? No. Does it belong on a "worst comic ever" list? No.

And throw in a vote for Trouble which was woefully ill-conceived from top to bottom.

Posted by nickmb on 2008-08-30 07:13:57
ASM #545
'nuff said

Posted by johnnyb66 on 2008-08-30 08:42:30
ASM #545
Any issue that drives me from 25+ years of purchasing a book...must be Godawful terrible beyond believe!

I wish Mephisto would block that issue (and everything after it) from my memory.

G.

Posted by fanboyspodcast on 2008-08-30 08:57:08
ASM #545
This issue destroyed a legendary comic from evolving and dealing with one issue that is rarely tackled in comic books properly: A normal human death. Instead we get a huge retcon that has stopped anything creative from happening and even at 3 times a month the books don't feel to be moving at all, and the writers always seem to be struggling to work around the huge roadblock that is OMD/BND

And there is no point in calling for a veto, its about time the fans who were disappointed with this event to be heard.

Posted by themasething on 2008-08-30 09:15:19
One More Day (and therefore ASM #545 with it) was already vetoed in the first thread, guys! (Frankly, it wasn't that bad. In many ways it was pretty damn good!)

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-30 09:33:08
Just in case that wasn't clear enough:

Votes for Amazing Spider-Man #545 do not count.

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-30 09:42:37
Not a OMD/BND fan but..
I'm NOT a OMD/BND fan by any means, but I'm pretty sure that this story arc is not going to be christened as "the worst comic ever", especially since (1) everyone in Marvel's top brass seems to be for it, and (2) ASM is still selling quite well, apparently.

Still, maybe Marvel could be convinced to allow a WHAT IF? issue to be published titled "WHAT IF Spider-Man turned Mephisto down?". Just a (very off-topic) thought.

Posted by Mardochaeus LXX on 2008-08-30 09:44:00
Street Poet Ray
Street Poet Ray was kind of nominated last time around, but not officially. By far the worst book ever published by Marvel.

Posted by keense on 2008-08-30 09:47:06
Mardochaeus, OMD is not going to be christened as the worst comic ever simply because somebody already vetoed it in the previous thread. Nothing whatsoever to do with Marvel's "top brass".

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-30 09:54:33
Not contesting your point Fetsur
I should probably have clarified by stating "even if it OMD had not already been vetoed..."

And no, I don't think it would have survived the voting process without being vetoed, but my only point was that Marvel is currently standing solidly behind OMD.

Posted by Mardochaeus LXX on 2008-08-30 10:05:12
I would think they're pretty solidly behind Ultimates 3 too, so I'm not sure how credible that argument really is.

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-30 10:07:47
My vote
Ultimates 3 #4 Viva la Inkers!

Posted by KrisCarter on 2008-08-30 10:08:21
One thing I wonder is... isn't it gonna be kind of awkward for Tom to announce on his blog that a current comic, by people he works with, is "the worst ever"? Maybe this poll wasn't such a great idea...

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-08-30 10:43:23
Trouble
Without a doubt, Trouble has to be the worst.

Posted by Stalzer2002 on 2008-08-30 11:31:27
I guess Ultimates 4
Yeah, though it's like each one we lose very very badly.

Posted by HarveyEll on 2008-08-30 11:34:18
Awkward? Probably, but..
I'm just guessing that most of the folks that make it in the business have to have very thick skin. I mean, it ain't like fans haven't been offering (often excessively) harsh critiques, anyway. But this isn't really a scientific vote, either, just a few fans willing to participate in this particular blog.

Posted by Mardochaeus LXX on 2008-08-30 11:51:40
Once one poster is allowed to veto EVERYTHING except their own preferences the whole thing becomes pointless.

Posted by coconutphone on 2008-08-30 12:16:52
When was ASM #545 vetoed?!?
I thought that there were no vetoes allowed now...so how did ASM #545 suddenly become taboo? Clearly, a lot of people thought it worthy enough that it could be the first election where a write-in candidate won over the "official" ones. So why don't votes against ASM #545 count??

Posted by jeffgamer on 2008-08-30 12:17:58
Loeb...
Has two books on this list and should have had at least 3 more with Hulk #'s 2, 4, and 5.

Hopefully that'll make the powers think twice about putting him on big projects.

As it stands, I can't decide between Ultimates and Onslaught for the worst of this bunch

Posted by Gadget3440 on 2008-08-30 12:36:11
jeffgamer, "Alternately, rather than voting for one of these ten books, you can choose to use your one vote to nominate another book (but only one that hasn’t already been vetoed previously)." seems pretty clear to me. ASM #545 was vetoed in the nominations round, hence, the veto stands.

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-30 12:40:04
One Vote for Ultimates 3 #4.
And my reason for this is pretty simply. I don't dislike Loeb as a writer. I've loved his Batman stuff and a number of his projects for Marvel (Big fan of Daredevil Yellow in particular).

But the Ultimates, as a comic book series, was something very unique. It was one of those books you genuinely recommend to people who don't read comics as being a showcase example of a 'thinking man's superhero book'. It was clever, it was well thought through, and presented in a sharp life-like artistic style. It was the stand-out title of the Ultimate line.

Ultimates 3 has been such a radical departure from that tone that it is incredibly hard to believe that it is the same book. Characters have been progressed in some very surprising directions, and others introduced, in a rushed and sometimes unexplained fashion. It's been very hard to see where the future of this book might now lie.

Posted by Captain 616 on 2008-08-30 12:44:19
hulk 5 sucks
hulk and jeph loeb need a new writer.

Posted by vampyreswrath on 2008-08-30 13:14:19
X-Men Black Sun
I am going to have to veto X-Men Black Sun...this was not a bad comic by any means. Anti-Claremont hate is what got this comic this far in this list, and that is sad. It was good on many levels, and in particular by elevating Amanda Sefton.

Posted by Inferno78 on 2008-08-30 13:40:23
oops
Didn't realize I couldn't veto any longer...in that case, I think the worst on this list is Onslaught Reborn. That was such a mess of a book.

Posted by Inferno78 on 2008-08-30 13:41:48
Amazing Spider-man 545
Last issue of OMD which led to the desecration of Amazing Spider-Man and Marvel continuity. If nomintaions are still allowed that's my nomination.

Posted by BWANASIMBA on 2008-08-30 14:01:25
worst comic, thanks Loeb
Ultimates 3 issue 4, whats wrong with it........Everything

Thor, his hammer, the text between characters, the plot twists, the characters, hawkeye, cap, nothing in that comic was good, it was trash put in a printer, PLEASE BRING MILLAR BACK!!!!

Posted by Deathgod hollow on 2008-08-30 14:19:28
Trouble!
Love a lot of Millar's stuff, but Trouble just wasn't good.

Also, if we're still vetoing stuff, I'd like to veto ASM #545. Wasn't brilliant by any means, but had nice art and some decent dialogue, don't think it deserves "worst ever".

Posted by nickmb on 2008-08-30 14:40:33
"Once one poster is allowed to veto EVERYTHING except their own preferences the whole thing becomes pointless. "

Actually, that's the entire point of this exercise; to arrive at a comic that we can all agree on. And if I didn't veto those comics, we would have had way too many to choose from in the end.

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-08-30 14:41:35
re: veto of ASM 545
Hi, Fetsur. I wasn't aware of this poll when there was a nomination round, so I didn't see vetoes. I did search a previous blog where I saw a few people enter vetoes, but I never saw ASM 545 specifically mentioned. Got a link?




Posted by jeffgamer on 2008-08-30 14:45:25
ULTIMATES 3 #4
I would vote for any issue if recent Hulk, but since i cant i vote for ULTIMATES 3 #4

Posted by fesak on 2008-08-30 14:48:03
ULTIMATES 3 #4
OK, where's the edit button?
I would vote for any issue OF recent Hulk, but since i cant i vote for those i put my vote on ULTIMATES 3 #4

Posted by fesak on 2008-08-30 14:49:35
Amazing Spider-Man #545
It can't be anything but ASM #545, the comic that truly "broke" Marvel's best character.

Posted by Morbius on 2008-08-30 15:03:22
It was vetoed, the veto post has been temporarily hidden (presumably someone marked it as "offensive")

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-30 15:13:35
Well even if the vote doesn't count I stand by the statement. Really if Tom expected no one to ever mention anything that was vetoed in another thread again, perhaps he should have posted a list for reference.

Posted by Morbius on 2008-08-30 15:38:46
The Amazing Spider-Man Annual #21
I nominate The Amazing Spider-Man Annual #21 as the worst is was the beginning of the end that was the reason for the Clone Saga & OMD/BND and was the cause for Spidey to go circular repetitive story's for 20 years.

What was all this for? Why was it done? Just to trump a comic stip from a paper wooo hooo good go.

Posted by Wraithous on 2008-08-30 16:20:41
Good one Wraithous, I'll join you in that vote. Not just the ill precedent it set, but it was deeply underwhelming for such a "pivotal" issue (unlike OMD, which at least clearly had a lot of care put into it, and actually bothered to tell a proper story).

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-30 16:25:48
Without question
Amazing Spider-man #545, the last issue of the real Amazing Spider-man. Not necessarily for the art or the dialog.

This could be marked in the same vein as the assassination of Arch-Duke Franz Ferdinand. Or the appeasement of Germany when handing over Czechoslovakia. A brief moment in time that became the first domino of coming catastrophe.

Dammit that character was gutted like a fish. Even Dickens listened to his fans and salvaged "Great Expectations" with an ending that carried with it the true theme of the book.

This was an important iconic character, there are always more important things in this world...there always will be. However, some venues do not afford a fan of a particular kind a voice to provide the feedback and possibly remind the writers what a character is. George Lucas lost sight of his baby, he took it in completely illogical directions and took his fan base for granted.

I think we deserve a better resolution than the one we were served to end 45 years of Spider-man. Honestly, is the goal to write about a 25 year old for 100 years. Allow him to age, age slowly but age. We have the Ultimate line to connect with younger readers, that is to say if that rationale is valid. Does this assume that younger readers cannot identify with characters like Captain America or Wolverine because of their advanced age.

Think about how poetic or romantic it would be to ultimately end his life, to resolve a characters life. Not now or anytime soon, but grow old with a literary character. Clearly, still living on in Ultimate Spider-man and other versions or re-imaginings that may follow.

He's roughly aged at a rate of 1 year to 3 real years. he wouldn't hit 45 until around 2053.

There are better resolutions.

You folks are creative in the house of ideas. We all deserve better.

Make mine marvel, again some day.

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-08-30 17:05:50
I am truly sickened
This character, the un-Peter Parker, lacks a taste of realism that has been popping up in some of the great superhero movies that have been coming out.

Dammit the real Peter Parker was a highly intelligent chemist and had a great knack for science. I know the economy is bad, but there is no reason for to not find a job as a research assistant or go back to teaching. This un-Parker is a bum. A whiny, irresponsible bum. Its hard to believe that this is the man underneath the Amazing Psuedo-Man.

I guess I am making a pretty big assumption that this version of Peter Parker is competent in science and is a generally well educated person.

MMM

Publish both in '09

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-08-30 17:13:51
Guys, no offense but...
Read the blog before you post your vote. Brevoort made it explicitly clear that there will NOT be any vetoes at this point.

Looks like ASM# 545, Hulk #5, and Ultimates 3 #4 are getting the most votes.

Soon my master plan will come to fruition!

Posted by Aziroth on 2008-08-30 18:07:38
Hulk 5
I wish we could vote for an entire series but we cant, maybe next time. So I want it clear that my vote for worst comic ever is Hulk #5. This was so bad several issues at my LCS comitted suicide. Yup they threw themselfs into a paper shredder.

Posted by ariesmarvel on 2008-08-30 18:23:03
hulk #5...
...is a steaming pile of donkey butter

Posted by SlowGravy on 2008-08-30 18:23:53
oh for the love a god...
Will you people STOP complaining about spidey 545/OMD/BND? I'm VETOing every one of those issues, even though i know nobody's going to care what i have to say.

Let's just look at #545 and why it's clearly not the "worst comic ever written." Normally in comics, there are only two major factors that go into whether or not a book is successful: Writing and Art. I'm going to go even further in this case and split writing up between Dialogue and Story.

first, look at the art. Joe Q is extraordinary. there's no way around it, he draws some beautiful images in this book. The page of pete and MJ holding each other in the light of the window as the day goes by is stunning. So this clearly ain't a bad comic cuz of the art.

Okay, I'm gonna go for dialogue next. Its been a while since ive read the issue, but i don't remember any complaints about the dialogue. Mephisto is suitable evil and duplicitous, MJ is the strong minded, confident woman that pete fell in love with, and pete is...well he's basically paralyzed with fear. Wouldn't you be, too, if you had to choose between killing the woman who raised u and losing the love of ur life? IMO, everything fits. The one moment that stood out the most to me was Mephisto's revelation of the potential daughter of Pete and MJ, that was absolutely heartbreaking.

Okay, so then there's the story. I'll admit, there are problems. Mephisto wants Pete's suffering in exchange for saving Aunt May...except that Pete won't ever know that he's suffering. Its awkward, and doesn't quite hold up on further examination, but not the worse than many other comics ive read. I think most people's problem with the issue is that "pete makes a deal with the devil." which isn't true. He didn't make any deal, MJ did. cuz thats the kind of take charge girl that she's always been. Making the choice himself would've been ridiculous for pete, but it fits MJ's character perfectly.

I'm sorry, theres just nothing in this issue that qualifies it for being considered among the worst comics ever written. Excellent art and lets say 50/50 writing doesn't make for the worst comic ever. I kno nobody's gonna really read this or care what i have to say, they'll just go on complaining about how Joe Q murdered their dreams, and lie about how they'll never read marvel again, but i still had to get it off my chest. there.

Posted by cryhavok01 on 2008-08-30 18:54:54
Amazing Spider-Man #545
Worst. Comic. Ever.

Posted by SaveSpidey on 2008-08-30 19:16:35
Hulk #5
Easily the worst comic ever since it's actually supposed to be taken seriously and be in continuity.... Some day Marvel will get someone in charge who will be interested in showing respect to its iconic characters (such as Hulk and Thor) and not spend time tearing them down to establish the editor's flavor-of-the-month newbie.

Posted by bkeithh on 2008-08-30 19:38:09
Secondary vote
I still have not seen any evidence that someone specifically vetoed Amazing Spider-man #545 during the preliminary rounds. I'd still like to see that link.

In case they somehow retcon such a veto in, though, my second vote would be for ASM 546...the first issue using the Mephisto-induced reality that erased the marriage and the timeline that I cared about. The whole premise is horrible, and so, as the first issue of the BND reality, it shares the honors of atrocity with 545.

ASM 545 is my vote. It IS the worst comic book ever.
ASM 546 is my runner-up if 545 is disallowed.




Posted by jeffgamer on 2008-08-30 19:48:12
Withdrawn secondary vote
You know something? I withdraw the runner-up vote. The truth is, the whole concept of BND is offensive, and it all stems from OMD...yes, that's all true...but, when taken by itself and not labelled as "BND-alone", 546 surely is not the second worst comic in history. Lumping it together as one entity isn't fair to the creators of that book. Voting for ASM 546 would be symbolic of what it stands for and the destruction of something valued upon which it was built. Similarly, all of OMD can't be lumped together. The first issue of OMD was OK. Issue 545 was atrocious and really WAS, IMHO, the worst comic book ever. And clearly a lot of people here agree on that. And, again, if ASM #545 was not specifically named as a vetoed single issue before the voting took place, I can't see how it would be disallowed now.

Anyway, I withdraw the secondary vote. Nothing can top ASM 545 for sheer "badness". And just because everything afterward is tainted by what it's all built upon, it doesn't mean it therefore sinks as low as 545.

Posted by jeffgamer on 2008-08-30 20:53:40
jeffgamer, you can't see the "evidence" because someone has flagged the post in question as "offensive", which means that it's invisible until the Marvel people get back to work on Monday morning. You want to see how easy it is to do that? Take a look at your last-but-one post.

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-30 21:57:46
It wasn't great either
The wedding issue wasn't great and there were many not-so great Amazing Spider-man issues since, but I cannot rationalize a link to the marriage been a bad thing to support retcon in any way shape or form. I'm not against ending the marriage necessarily either. Its the alteration of continuity that is the true problem, its lazy and insulting.

However, I do advocate that their marriage was something important to me. As we often take literary characters to set examples for our own lives, something to benchmark how we want to be ourselves.

I began reading at around 8 years old in 1989 and my own parents did not set a paradigm of what marriage should be. They're good people but they had many faults that instilled a great deal of cynicism for adult relationships, particularly marriage. They are no doubt many people in a similar situation as mine.

The fictional relationship between Peter and Mary Jane served as that ideal, that paradigm of emotional partnership. It put before me something that I hoped for myself when I got older. It was romantic and poetic and blissful. They were strong for each other and complete with each other. I am saddened to see them separated as the final true Spider-man story.

I guess I wish it wasn't done so shamefully and deceitfully via a pact with a devil like character.

Drag.

Make mine again marvel.

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-08-30 22:06:34
ASM 545
Worst. Comic. Ever. The only comic I have ever considered returning to the local comic store. I would have given it to them for free as long as it wasn't in my collection at home.


Posted by NinjaDan2000 on 2008-08-30 22:57:12
Time for a recount
Wow! I see an awfu lot of ASM 545 on this list?

If it wins I sure hope Tom will cop to it and say, "Winner by write-in."

Some how I doubt that'll happen since only 1-2 people really don't like ASM's new direction...you know dwindling minority and all.

G.

Posted by fanboyspodcast on 2008-08-30 23:46:21
hulk 5
this whole series has been insulting to a great character, but to trash someone like thor right as he's being carefully reintegrated into the MU? man, loeb's lost most if not all credibility. he can only ride previous batman successes for so long...

Posted by sloppy_phil on 2008-08-31 00:33:56
For future reference..
Brevoort, it may be a good idea next time to list all the comics that were vetoed when doing final-staged polls. Just as a reminder at least.

Posted by Aziroth on 2008-08-31 06:45:42
ASM 545
So, I'm assuming that unofficially ASM 545 won for worst comic ever...I counted the replies in the thread even though we're told it won't be considered.

Typical.

G.

Posted by fanboyspodcast on 2008-08-31 09:48:54
It only garnered so many nominations because someone went out of their way to post the link on every anti-Spider-Man site and told people what to write on here.

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-31 11:21:23
ASM 545
Clearly the dumbest reboot mandate in history, you killed the character's character.

Posted by IGorean on 2008-08-31 11:35:19
I don't know ANY site that is anti-Spider-man, Fetsur. I know several sites on which people who are anti-OMD/BND congregate (people who are pro-OMD/BND also congregate on the same sites). On either side of the fence, their Spider-man fans. It's just that, on the anti-OMD/BND side, it is felt that ASM 545 was indeed the worst comic ever and destroyed the heart and soul of the character. And nobody was told what to write here...people were urged to post their opinions and, if their opinion was that ASM 545 was the worst, they were urged to say that.

Posted by jeffgamer on 2008-08-31 11:37:53
I'd Veto...
I'd personally veto any votes for Rulk or OMD/BND. It's supposed to be the worst comic of all time, not the worst comic in recent memory. Lets stick to the subject people.

Posted by DRock1 on 2008-08-31 13:32:07
It is
First, OMD/BND is not a single comic book. I don't think it's within the bounds to veto anything in OMD or BND...you'd need to name a specific issue to veto.

Second, vetoing ended when voting began.

And, in direct response to the above, I was reading for 34 years, up until One More Day. And ASM #545 is to me, without a question, the worst comic in ever. Worst in recent memory, worst in multiple decades. That IS the subject.

Posted by jeffgamer on 2008-08-31 13:40:22
ASM 545
It's sad that someone would mark my previous votes as offensive to hide them. I didn't say anything but what I felt: ASM 545 is the only comic to ever offend me.

Posted by NinjaDan2000 on 2008-08-31 14:03:00
voting for..
ultimates v3 4. just because jeph loeb's writing can even make a book drawn by joe mad. it sucks that ultimates which was wonderful under millar's has become critically despised. and i'm not saying that as a rabid loeb hater, i really enjoyed his color books, hush and long halloween. it seems like he is desperately trying to write "hip" dialogues and "cool" action scenes. with the help of a great artist that is a sure way to get great sales. i'm scared about his spider-man project with scott campbell, i heard that it will be "big" which reminds me of wolverine - evolution. ugh.

Posted by tusbat on 2008-08-31 14:40:27
RE: I'd Veto
DRock, you cannot veto at this point.

Posted by Aziroth on 2008-08-31 14:42:01
RE to Fetsur:
If it was every Anti-Spider-Man site, we should be seeing thousands of Spider-Man #545 issues instead of dozens. No offense Fetsur.

Posted by Aziroth on 2008-08-31 14:44:04
Huh?!
Wait, we're talking the worst comic Marvel's ever published and there's not a single New Universe title up for nomination? I mean, no Kickers Inc.? No Spitfire? No Nightmask? I cry foul...

Posted by MGuggenheim on 2008-08-31 15:52:46
Where were you in the nomination round?
Kickers Inc... why didn't I think of that?

But of course, it's too late now. Those five Spider-Man fans with their eight accounts each are wasting their votes on a vetoed comic instead.

*Sigh*

Posted by Michael Heide on 2008-08-31 16:50:13
ASM #545
I don't care if it's legal or not. I don't care if it was vetoed or not. It seems to me one could make a case for horrible comics at least being memorable... What ever happened in the Round Robin six part summer series? Nobody knows. or that Hunt for Xavier x-men crossover. #545 ultimately has pushed me away from Marvel comics...after 23 years. I quit buying Spider-man and didn't miss it, so I didn't care what I bought from Marvel comics. Sacrificing the marriage for Aunt May, who has almost no role in BND was ridiculous.

Posted by ryan1701e on 2008-08-31 16:53:47
ASM #545 NOT VETOED!
I went back and counted ALL the posts five times. I counted 89 messages. If the 90th post vetoed ASM #545, it was worded in such an inappropriate manner that when it was flagged, Brevoort removed the comment entirely.

As such, ASM #545 IS LEGAL to vote for. If anyone wants to challenge the above estimate, they can scroll through the previous entry themselves keeping tally of each name that posted, or ask a mod if they would be willing to tally the number of posts.


Brevoort, in the next occasion that this, or anything similar to it should happen, could youi please provide a list of veto'ed comics when you start the final phase of voting wherein the most votes crowns the comic?

Posted by Aziroth on 2008-08-31 18:35:19
BND
i care nothing about VETOES bnd 545 is the worst of the worst. it has drove me away from reading marvel and spider-man. death to the new fake @*@$#%@!@ spider-man!!

Posted by drgndad4bri on 2008-08-31 19:05:24
Never mind, Michael, we might as well leave them to pointlessly vent on here. Clearly they have need to get this off their chests - again and again and again and again and again (seemingly assuming the Bart Simpson hypothesis that, if you nag at your parents long enough, eventually they'll cave).

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-08-31 21:15:38
the Hulk series now (with Rulk) It suck$ so bad just look at the forums...

Posted by Constantinemig on 2008-09-01 02:48:53
the WORST is NOT among the list.

it's THE HULK ISSUE #5.

and we all know it.

Posted by neno1277 on 2008-09-01 02:54:26
Hulk# 5
I nominate hulk #5 I mean come on I think everybody know this already this comic blows! It spits on the Thor fans and not to mention the Hulk fans as well. I think like 99% of the people think this is CR@P just look at the forums its flooded by hate messages!. Really makes me sad that this got published my local comic shop still has like #1 to #5 it just wont sell! and i SEE why they dont.

Posted by Constantinemig on 2008-09-01 02:57:36
hmmm.
Fetsur,

How do we know you're not part of the Mephisto Lobby, subverting the process and trying to advocate for Mephisto to get his own monthly series?

That may answer some questions here.

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-09-01 09:32:10
where the hell is Hulk 5? That was the worst comic os the decade

Posted by jenius on 2008-09-01 09:33:45
Hey, it worked for Hal Jordan ;)

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-09-01 10:06:56
"Clearly they have need to get this off their chests - again and again and again and again and again (seemingly assuming the Bart Simpson hypothesis that, if you nag at your parents long enough, eventually they'll cave)."

Hey, it got a third season out of the original Star Trek. It beats the heck out of saying nothing.

Posted by bobadventures on 2008-09-01 10:07:35
What
IS with the flagging of offensive responses?

I guess Mephisto is pulling the strings for his own monthly.

Publish all three in '09

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-09-01 12:22:23
The meaning of worst
Thinking of the context here for what worst means, are we asking what was of poorest quality, as in was the drawing, or writing bad, or was little effort put in to paneling?

Or, are we asking what is the worst thing Marvel has done in the context of a nefarious act that may have been done with at the very least mediocre art and writing but was done without virtue of taste, the sanctity of character and character development, and complete indifference to history, faithfulness of fans, and importance of this character to the stability of business.

Publish both in '09

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-09-01 12:34:11
coolhanddave, please, I AM the boring-one of this blog, okay ?

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-09-01 12:40:55
hey.
nah-uh, I called it.

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-09-01 13:09:23
how I understand worst of the worst
To me I think the worst would be mainly terrible writing/plot, usually accompanied with bad artwork. I'd add that I think it would be compounded by giving poor quality to a popular flagship book that is generally expected to deserve the best, and ususally gets the best creative teams. I'd give Spider-Man: Maximum Carnage as an example. Basically, a fourteen-issue crossover about the villan Carnage. It was contrived as a marketing stunt by folks in the Sales and Marketing division that looked at some numbers and said, "hey, sales go up when there's a Carnage story, and sales also go up when there is a cross-over story -- so sales will really go up if we do a Carnage cross-over". So the told some writers to hack out such a story (nevermind that Carnage is such a one-dimentional character that it doesn't lend itself to such a long cross-over) and they rushed it to press. What came out was an utter mess, a "soup sandwich" if you will. The only reason it sold any issues is because it had "Spider-Man" pasted across it. I think such as this deserve to be called The Worst Marvel Comics.

Posted by Mardochaeus LXX on 2008-09-01 14:53:26
hulk #5
treating thor like that was redunkulouse loeb needs to find a job at dc and leave anything thor alone

Posted by frostgiant on 2008-09-01 16:18:53
Note: There is no need for any one person to try to make multiple accounts to say how horrendous ASM #545 was. There are far, FAR too many real individuals who can speak their own minds. Trying to dismiss them as "all one fan" is as off-base as saying that George Bush won in 2000 because the Chameleon disguised himself as millions of different voters. It's just denying a truth. There's a LOT of hatred toward that book and it's alienated a HUGE number of fans from ASM and, for many, from Marvel in general.

Secondly...hey, I LIKED the New Universe, MGuggenheim! Loved PsyForce, Starbrand, and DP7. I agree, the other four titles weren't as exciting (Kickers Inc, Spitfire, Nightmask, and let's not forget Merc). However, with the exception of Merc, I collected every single one of them, and liked the concept of that universe.

Different strokes for different folks, eh? ;-)

Posted by jeffgamer on 2008-09-01 17:28:58
Here's whats interesting
I am not nominating "Trouble," however, this serves as another exhibit to House of Ideas attempt to rip up the cannon of Spider-man by suggesting that May is Peter's mom-piece.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

Posted by coolhanddave on 2008-09-01 17:52:35
oops...
oops...as soon as I posted my second attempt, it pushes the original one out of the queue. Sorry about the double-post (triple, if you count this one...!)

Posted by jeffgamer on 2008-09-01 17:54:09
ULTIMATES 3 #4 for the worst, Ultimate Power #9 was also truly bad. As for ASM 545 it is by no means anywhere near the worst, the art was good and the writing was more than comprehensible. Just because you don't like the direction doesn't mean its the worst.


Posted by CoolIce on 2008-09-01 18:33:20
Trouble
I think my vote was not registered. But I vote Trouble.

Have a nice Labour day!


Posted by freyes2000 on 2008-09-01 18:35:00
my vote is for hulk#5. Loeb's blatant hatred for Thor is evident in what has to be the worst comic in marvel history. I blame the editors for allowing this. To allow Loeb to continue to write for marvel would require a federal investigation.

Posted by tmob on 2008-09-01 19:11:09
Why's everyone so concerned with the writing? I don't get it. Is the artwork now considered a secondary aspect of the medium? Maybe under some of these stories the comic becomes appealing only as a picture-book, but the art in Hulk 5, Ultimates 4 and One More Day was all of a very high standard, I thought. Whereas "Secret Defenders #20"... well...

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-09-01 19:35:46
Comic art isn't simply a matter of pretty pictures. It's also an exercise in storytelling.

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-09-01 20:03:50
Hope everyone had a nice labor day.
I am going to assume that by tomorrow, Brevoort will tally the votes (assuming he did not personally veto Spider-Man #545 prior to this stage in the nominations, which I respectfully doubt he did).

If the ASM #545 was not vetoed, it should take the cake as the worst comic in history by the sheer multitude of votes. If it was, then Hulk #5 or Ultimates 3 #4 should seize the crown.

Posted by Aziroth on 2008-09-01 21:27:14
I vote ASM#545!
Hands-down the worst! For all of the reasons mentioned here and more!

I mean, c'mon, the official OMD/BND thread is 370 pages long and counting! That shows how many Spidey fans became one-time posters just so they could vent their frustration on the Marvel boards, hoping that Marvel would listen. That's not to mention the many other regulars on the boards who also have a lot to say.

Can any other issue brag as much?

Posted by rrargh on 2008-09-01 21:44:42
No contest. I vote Hulk#5.

Posted by arkitamarvel on 2008-09-01 23:46:29
i think the reason why hulk issue 5 isn't among the list it's because some people (seeming under the delusion) think that whatever loeb is doing / writing about the red hulk is a stroke of genius....

i would puke on the current hulk issues or use it as toilet paper if it was damn expensive!

Posted by neno1277 on 2008-09-02 05:00:44
Why's everyone so concerned with the writing?
Fetsur, in all honesty I think the art has always been secondary to the writing. On the surface, one may think differently but dig deeper, and this is inevitably the truth.

You can have a comic with great art, but if the writng's crap, that comic will be hated. Conversely you can have a comic with awful art, but if the writing is amazing, the art won't bring it down. An example of this for me is V for Vendetta. I hate the art in that but I completely love the book.

When Marvel did the 'nuff said' month years back (anyone remember that? Great concept but the poor value for money), one would argue that the art was the primary aspect of those comics. However, a story was still being told by the writer who gave the artists direction. The writing (although there was no dialogue) still determined the quality of those comics, althought the art determined the ease of understanding.

Posted by Gadget3440 on 2008-09-02 07:56:36
Vote for Ultimates 3 #4
Seriously, people: STOP voting for Hulk 5 and ASM 545. They got vetoed in the prior thread so they'r enot in the top 10.

And those people vetoing in this thread: STOP IT. Tom said in his post that vetoing was no longer allowed! Christ.

I'm voting for Ultimates 3 because it is a horribly written book and the fans need to send Loeb a message to step up; Marvel fans deserve stuff on the level of his Batman work (except Dark Victory, that stank), not the tripe he has been peddling since he went exclusive with The House.

And anyone trying to veto my vote: Ha ha! You can't!



Posted by Moorish on 2008-09-02 08:56:36
I think...
ASM #545 is gonna win the crown, if not, then maybe Hulk #5. 8)

Posted by Aziroth on 2008-09-02 08:57:21
Alright, I made an error in judgment
I went back again and copied all the posts from the last entry and pasted them into Word, which I then began to number each and every post by posting the number next to each name tag.

It seems there is a post missing on that blog.

However, I am fairly certain Hulk #5 was not vetoed.

Posted by Aziroth on 2008-09-02 09:30:03
ASM#545. Totally selfish and out of character for Spider-Man.

Posted by deadpool1977 on 2008-09-02 12:05:08
Ultimates 3!
Ultimates 3 - any issue, let's say 4. Or any other Loeb book, though it's more painful to look at him ruining Ultimates.

Posted by Crov on 2008-09-02 13:48:00
i think i am too old for this poll. I voted for us1 and god did/does it suck. Remeber the worst ever not the worst idea in a long time, yes bnd is a bad idea but for the love of all that is holy it is far from the worst, have you even read Hulk vol. 1 circa 250-275?? does anyone remember the galexy master or bereet? oh what you dont remember the space alien techno-artist Bereet? No? Well I do and it sucks some of the worst of the worse. You want to read a bad hulk read Hulk 270 april 1981 completly awful but not as bad as US1 a comic book about super-truckers. Hit the back issues bins boys and girls and you will find awful awful things marvel has published. Did stop me from buying them but really, Loeb hulk the "worst ever"? hardly!

Posted by jaffy on 2008-09-02 14:25:21
I change my vote
Now I´ll vote Amazing Spider-man #545, it was the issue that Spider-ma died and his soul is now property of Mephisto. It was the worst story ever, and to erase a marriage and other events costed Peter´s soul, it has to be the worst.

Posted by claudio pahl on 2008-09-02 15:06:24
Ultimates 3 #4
I vote Ultimates 3 #4 as the worst. I was depressed when I read that ending. So stupid.

Also, Trouble is actually a great comic. People that hate it are stupid. It's not in continuity if you don't want it to be. Make up your own continuity. But it is a fantastic read and a MUST READ for Spider-Man fans. Even if you decide it's not in continuity, it's GREAT!!

Posted by pineappleprotein on 2008-09-02 15:33:28
its the worst ever published right? I think too many people all just looking at books they dont like such as bnd. I really like this poll makes you think but i think you should have added eras, the worst of the 60s, 70s ect. because for overall bad you have to pick us1

Posted by jaffy on 2008-09-02 15:47:20
I'm old enough to remember US1. I only ever read the last issue. My recollection is that it was stupid, but it was lighthearted and fun stupid, and I'm not going to go out of my way to condemn that. Far better to complain about pretentious and precedent-setting badness.

Posted by bobadventures on 2008-09-02 16:52:29
Nonsense, Gadget. Bad art really does bring a good story down, it can raise the standard expected of a bad story too (perhaps part of why the most popular examples here draw so much ire). I think it's ridiculous to dismiss comics as being "either or" pictures and writing; the medium has always, ALWAYS, been a combination of the two. (You're wrong about V, too; David Lloyd's artwork in that is excellent, though obviously not to everyone's taste.)

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-09-02 18:36:09
Ultimates 3 #4 gets my vote.

Posted by DrBat on 2008-09-06 16:11:27
I vote for Hulk 5.

Posted by Metalbassist1341 on 2008-09-13 15:57:01