Killing Cap was wrong!
Nice blog, I respect your opinion, but killing Steve Rogers was LAME and smacks of desperation. I hope that time proves it was the biggest blunder in Marvel's history.

Posted by djstickylee on 2007-03-22 10:22:41
Response to Tom B.
Killing Captain America has the lurid stench of commercialism, publicity stunting, and an old-fashioned lack of creative effort. It is no big secret that killing a character in this industry is a hallmark of how you generate a peak in sales and perk the ears of a few people in the mainstream media. You should look past your obviously bloated ego (Only someone with a head as large as mighty Galactus would dare to compare a true Marvel classic with the redundant garbage of killing off a hero!!) and near-sighted vision to what you've actually done. You've killed a Marvel Legacy, cut-off a source of revenue, and left a large entourage of loyal fans who geniunely care for the character hurt and betrayed. If anything gets through that thick skull of yours please let it be this: WE HATE YOU BECAUSE YOU REPRESENT EVERYTHING THAT THE IDEAL OF CAPTAIN AMERICA FOUGHT AGAINST...BIG BUISNESS, LACK OF CREATIVITY (a sniper bullet? How stupid was that!!), AND EGOTISM.

Posted by esoto on 2007-03-22 11:09:58
Wow
Esoto must be the guy who made the list. Anyway I loved Cap #25. The whole thing felt very real and was a great wrap up to Civil War. And, yes, it's an obvious way to sell more comics, but that's the business Marvel is in. Hopefully it will cause more non-fans to become regular readers too.

Posted by shutup14 on 2007-03-22 11:20:39
Killing Cap
Being a collector for as long as I have I must say that I've been upset with certain events (i.e. Superman's death), but this will go down as utterly catastrophic and more upsetting than anything else I've encountered. Keep in mind, I don't even collect Cap's comics consistantly other than Avengers and other runs that he's appeared in. With that said, if you're gonna kill an icon the likes of Captain America you need to keep him dead. Otherwise, comics become exactly what some people think they are............COMICAL!!!!!!! As far as what esoto states, I agree to a certain extent and if you're doin this to make money then do it with dignity. Speaking for myself I'll miss Cap and I'm upset that it got to this point, but I'd be more upset if you reincarnate/revive him and make a mockery of what he represents.

Posted by rodrr48 on 2007-03-22 11:24:49
Actually, Tom, I think you're looking at this inverse-ratio the wrong way around. People are more vocally positive about books that they are concerned might not make it... whereas the books that sell in droves have great big targets painted on them. That's the way I see things, anyway.

The other factor is, the more people that read something, the greater the chance there is of someone not liking it...

Posted by Fetsur on 2007-03-22 13:46:27
incidentally I am mighty curious as to what other stories would make up the top 10 (or so) best selling Marvel books ever.

Posted by Fetsur on 2007-03-22 13:49:09
Your explanation for why some fans only seem to love low-selling books and hate major hits is good, but I would attribute it to another phenomenon. People who like Spider-Girl may also like, say, Amazing Spider-Man, but since Amazing has a huge fan base and sells very well there's not a whole lot to be said about it that won't be preaching to the choir. Supporting Spider-Girl takes more effort because you're constantly surrounded by people who don't read it and you always know it could get axed any month now.

Likewise, I know people who couldn't stand Marville or Fightbolts, but when sales bore out this opinion there was nothing new to say about them--most everyone seemed to agree (or at least vote with their wallets) that these concepts were flawed, so in general fandom doesn't get worked up about them. If you don't like a book that everyone else seems to like, such as Civil War, you feel you have to shout that much louder to be heard over the praise.

I for one didn't care for Bendis's Avengers, and for a while it drove me nuts that Marvel acted as though the title were not merely successful but universally beloved, which seemed to marginalize my position. So yeah, I'd complain a lot louder about a comic like New Avengers, where my opinion doesn't seem to be heard than I would praise a title like Uncanny X-Men, where everything is already going the way I like it.

So I don't think it's so much a case of hardcore fans being out of touch with the times. It's just that you only see them being, well, hardcore in those instances where they disagree with the majority.

Posted by jim_smith on 2007-03-22 13:55:49
I agree with both Fetsur and Agent Smith. I also attribute some of the raging that goes on to simple snobbery. We want to be different and unique, therefore we tend to try to find our own niche and strike out against the masses who we perceive to be mindless. And lets be honest, we comic book fans are the poster children for this kind of behavior. Just hang out on a message board or your LCS for verification.
It's like having a friend who thinks he is a gourmet chef and could be on iron chef if he just wanted to, so the way he behaves is to turn his nose up at all the food you like and he sends stuff back to the kitchen at restaurants all the time because it is beneath him.
I don't agree or like a lot of the recent moves, and I feel just a little lost right now, but if the stories won't sell, they will find a way to get back to something that will...

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2007-03-22 14:09:32
don't worry
don't worry about killing cap he'll be back before next christmas

Posted by bigdonkey1 on 2007-03-22 15:31:42
dont worry guys
cap will be before you know it with a surprise

Posted by FABIAN777 on 2007-03-22 15:38:25
Cap's Death
I think that killing Cap was wrong. I have been and always will be an X-MEN fan. I never liked or collected any Avenger related title, but Cap is an icon related to Marvel. money is the name of the game, but it just feels wrong for him to be gone.

Posted by Trogeta on 2007-03-22 15:39:28
Fun
No matter what comic I have read and enjoyed, and no matter how old I was at the time, there has always been one constant -- they have been fun. Sometimes it was the book. Sometimes it was the moment. And it's those memories that keep me interested in comic books today.

Ask youselves this. Is this fun? Will we someday look back on this, the death, the debate, and the eventual come back and say we had fun?
I don't know, but I can't wait to find out.
I only wish he'd gone down with a fight.


Posted by jsaccenti on 2007-03-22 15:51:42
Cap's Death
I hope that you are successful with Steve's Death. I hope you are happy in your smug little world. I for one, have stopped all my comics, wont buy the new Iron man movie I was waiting for, wont play any of the iniative in my MUA game. I am sure you will look at the numbers and smile. But I look at you like I look at Tony Stark now. Your a sucess, but whats that smell.

Posted by ashton2 on 2007-03-22 15:54:29
Death of a Legend/Icon
I'll be honest I think that Cap 25 is a classic and it was one the most well written comics ever, and it impressed me how Marvel was able to keep it a secret until the day of the actual event, but I was a moderate fan of Cap and read this most recent series but never read his solo comic before then and I enjoyed it and I think that it's a sad that it has to come to an end. I think that Marvel should have killed Cap in Civil War 7 though to make the the series a classic because I was wholly dissappointed in the way that the series end but that is another issue. I am also a businees man and there is a certain way to go about doing business and I think that it may have be done a bit wrong (I personally would have had Cap die in battle like the hero he was instead being shot by the woman he loved (an excellent plot-twist though)), if Marvel sole intent in killing Cap was to sell comics was to sell comics then they accomplished that but I think they may have done it at the expense of some of their fans.

Posted by havok23 on 2007-03-22 16:01:10
ashton 2
I won't play initiative in MUA? LOL!!! What a pathetic loser you are! I am sure Tom is going "OMG! They won't play a character in a video game because of me!"
teh funny.

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2007-03-22 16:13:49
Well Tom, reading your post, I would have to say that "Secret Wars" was in fact quite a big success. Not only the comic books themselves, but also the toys as well. As a young kid when those comics were first released, I was much more excited about having an Iron Man, Spider-Man (2 of him, even!), Doctor Octopus, and yes, even KANG toy to play with while watching "Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends" and "The Incredible Hulk." It got me more interested in Marvel comics as a whole. By the way, your comments about "Secret Wars" still selling are totally true. My older brother, who just got back into comics, has been actively searching for that trade.

Regarding the rest of the comments: Killing Steve Rogers is a bold move. And the nature of the act -- and the fact that it wasn't spoiled before hand -- certainly took me as a reader by surprise. I'm not a Cap reader, usually only following his exploits in the pages of "Avengers," but my main desire is to let the man rest in peace. Steve Rogers may die, but Captain America never will. I thnk that offers a ton of potential stories right there.

Just my two cents... thanks for the blog, Tom!

Posted by ljacone on 2007-03-22 16:30:55
cap's the !@@##@@&$ and killing him sucked, so do i get my subscription back?

Posted by cash$420 on 2007-03-22 16:59:43

The books they seem to love the most tend to be the ones tottering on the brink of extinction, and the ones they're the angriest about are the ones that sell in droves.

Ain't that the truth...

I think Fetsur and Jim also make some good points. I think people who like less commercially successful books can also tend to be louder about them because they feel a stronger connection. Look at Spider-Girl (and maybe She-Hulk and Runaways) or the Distinguished Competition's Manhunter and you can see how sometimes just a little help attracting more readers feels like it can save a book you like.

Also, at least on usenet message boards, sometimes titles that have tons of fans (and thus lots of posts) can be intimidating. Switching mediums, I'll sometimes post on Newsarama threads about "Veronica Mars," but I pretty much avoid "Heroes" threads. Not that I like the latter less, it's just too much to keep up with the volume of posts about it.

Posted by motteditor on 2007-03-22 20:43:08

The Death of Captain America
I must say my first response was "How dare you kill off Cap!" But I remember saying the same about Superman in the 90's. After the shock wore off, and I got to think about it, I have to say good job, you humanized an icon. I think that it was a good idea, and that Steve Rogers should remain dead, it's time for the mantle to be passed on. After all, any thing is better than the cheesy ending to Civil War.

Posted by Nick_D4580VD on 2007-03-22 20:51:26

caps death
i always hated captian america untill civil i always thought he was just he stood for everything i hate about white america but ifound myself actually liking him and cared when they killed him off. i hope he stays dead, not bcuz i dont like him but bcz his needs to mean something

Posted by LivingXLegend on 2007-03-23 00:36:55

Why kill Cap?
I kind of can understand why killing Captain America was because of the events of Civil War, but my main concern is why did they let the Punisher become the new Captain America? Even though Punisher is my favorite Marvel character, i believe that he should have just stayed as the Punisher. The new Captain America outfit looks pretty lame too. I dont see why they had to add the skull on the chest. I know Frank castle idolized Cap throughout the war days but hopefully MArvle makes a kick !!@*&! storyline with the new Captain America.

Posted by PunisherCM22 on 2007-03-23 00:42:25

Caps Death
So, yes killing cap is a move that shocked some, crushed others and is generally making big waves across the spectrum. You have garnered attention from everywhere! You have done your job with that. I just hope like some others here that it means something. I for one actually hope the Frank Castle is not the new Cap, you can't replace Steve Rogers, you can replace a super soldier but cap was more than that, he was the very embodiment of everything good that America is supposed to be. How do you replace that ideal? You can't and therefore shouldn't you can avenge him, you can put another "super-soldier" in his place to trade blows in battle but you can't replace the fact that deep down everyone has a little Cap in them. Everyone either agrees with his tactical thinking and aspires to have that, or agrees with one of the many Ideals that Cap has helped to uphold. Cap should never be replaced but rather this should Immortalize him.

Posted by Bowan on 2007-03-23 01:04:28

captain america is dead ?
caps death was shocking , but i agree with nick , they should put another "super-soldier" with him to trade blows , i like cap , but i think that he'll find a way in comics again ,i think lol

Posted by Dark.MaX on 2007-03-23 06:20:00

I agree
I didn't like the way captain america was killed off. It just seemed such an anti-climax to the characters life. I mean he has been in numerous life threatening battles with some of the most powerful super villians of all time and it is a snipers bullet that final kills him. surely it could ahve been better than that?
Loved the civil war series utterly brilliant!

Posted by scots67 on 2007-03-23 08:16:10

Killing Cap
Well killing captain america may not be a bad idea but the way he died didn't warrant it. Over the years, great writers like Jack Kirby and Mark Gruenwald has developed the character so many ways, and have cap go through every possible scenario, including death. Mark Gruenwald (being the longest Cap writer) done so much to cap, is hard to come up with fresh new ideas for captain america. The only story that didn't get explored in dept, is how the rest of the marvel universe deal with his death. I'm sure when this story arc is over, Cap will be revived via cosmic cube or some other way.

Posted by maskmanx on 2007-03-23 09:49:21

cap is gone
Quesada, where is your head man? Some ideas just need to be left in the head. But I know some how the symbol of liberty will rise again like the phoenix.
PEACE OUT!!!!

Posted by vbjjr on 2007-03-23 11:50:24

Avengers Initiative
However, I do like the sense of the Avengers enrolling new members though it doesn't have to be so millitary based. HEROES HAVE RIGHTS TOO!!!!

Posted by vbjjr on 2007-03-23 11:54:35

I can use this typo too....
....agreeing with LivingXLegend, I hope Steve Rogers will rest in peace, in other way if HE had planned this to become again US Agent , there's nothing I can do about it...
One of my art-school teacher said about comic-book that the story is between the panels...
If I was editor -not a businessman- we still will be into the Civil War,and Hulk still on his planet...it takes half a year to get The New Avengers assemble , and made us just DREAM about wonderful stories that awaited them, and less to deal with CW, and problems standing somewhere between " Watchmen " by A.Moore and " Black Summer " by W.Ellis.


Posted by notapotatoe on 2007-03-23 13:08:59

I'm with it
I started buying comic books again because of the Civil War. I think it was a great, and necessary, shake up.

While I am upset about Cap's death, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

I've been putting more and more comics on my sub list at my LCS, so I hope I can counter-act at least one or two of those radical fanboys who don't understand that the Marvel world cannot stay static, there must be change.

Until Sue bears Galactus' baby, make mine Marvel.

Posted by Minty23 on 2007-03-23 13:19:08

RIP CAPTAIN AMERICA
ITS A SHAME CAPTAIN AMERICA IS DEAD BUT I DONT THINK ITS TO BOOST SALES AS EVERYONE ONE IS SAYING... THE CIVIL WAR DROVE MARVELS SALES THROUGH THE ROOF, YES KILLING CAP GIVES THEM MORE SALES BUT THOSE OF YOU WHO SAY IT WAS ALL FOR SALES MAY WANT TO RETHINK YOUR STANCE ON THAT ISSUE THEY COULDNT KEEP CIVIL WAR BOOKS ON THE SHELF. OH YEAH AND DAMN YOU MARVEL FOR KILLING CAP YOU BROKE MY 3 YEAR OLD SONS HEART...THAT IS ALL I GOT TO SAY

Posted by transmissionator on 2007-03-23 15:12:15

killing cap
i am not a huge comic book reader so haven't read the iusse and now i don't am going too, killing cap was a huge mistake by marvel because you lose many fans but i also don't think they should bring him back because it would cheapen the marvel world

Posted by mew2052000 on 2007-03-23 16:08:38

The Cap'n Ain't Dead!
The Sentinel of Liberty isn't dead. Steve Rogers is dead. Mark my words: Captain America will be back. Steve Rogers will not.

Posted by Jerid13 on 2007-03-23 17:31:56

Still Upset about Steve
It has been over two weeks, and I still can't see this right. You dolts KILLED Steve Rogers! My God, but you sure don't care about much, but your bucks, huh? Fan loyalty is out. The truth about how most, Americans feel is trashed. Yes, most. Your ridicule of Steve Rogers values in Frontline, before you had him killed, was nothing short of slap in the face to longtime comics fans like me. Your creed still seems to be the whatever you feel like America is, you create huh? Well Bobos, Steve Rogers still was what so very many of us believe in. Yes it is only comics, but it is serious to a lot of us. I spend a lot of bucks on your product, but you are making me feel VERY unwanted. You just seem to treat it like , just a job, and the heck with us. Well, the heck with you Joe. I am no longer one of your supporters, and I am certain you do not care. Just know, while I have been Making Mine Marvel since 1960, I am becoming more and more jaded towards you views of me, the job you are doing, and how you seem to feel about so many of us. Keep this kind of ridiculous crud up, and you continue to alienate many true fans. I have a choice. Maybe it is time.

Posted by johnnycakes55 on 2007-03-23 18:08:10

whatever...
You killed off the only character that was wholly good and knew who he was and why what he did was right. In all the real and marvel world I don't know another person like that. And at a time when comics are just about the only place left to find heroes... Maybe we should try harder in life, but in the meantime it would be nice to have somebody like Spiderman but with more direction. I'm sure you will make money from this, I just hope that you make more by bringing him back some day soon. late

Posted by halvorsen2995 on 2007-03-23 18:49:01

Cap's Death
I have to say I'm really really disappointed that Cap was killed off. I was on my way to work and when I opened up the newspaper I was shocked at seeing the news. I was literally staring at the paper for half the ride. Growing up in the 70's I was introduced to other hero's like Superman,Shazzam,Batman, but my very first comic was Captain America. Ever since then he was my favorite overall because of the virtues he held that made this country great. Now just like our politicions of today everything in America is for sale. Marvel might figure Oh! we'll just lose a couple old fans but gain new ones and I can tell you once the novelty wares off you'll lose the new fans and be left with nothing. I would recommend not buying marvel stock for awhile.

Posted by louhobby on 2007-03-23 19:05:23

I love it how that guy at the top was so upset about Cap dying but clearly hasnt read the issue as a sniper didn't kill him! LOL

Posted by bomaya on 2007-03-23 19:34:45

I agree with your post Tom. As long as the way Marvel tries to sell more comics is centered on creating good stories and art, then there's no way it can go wrong.

Killing Cap is awesome - an instant classic. I love Cap, #25 is an awesome story. I can't wait to see what happens next.

Never mind the haters - there's no pleasing some people.

Posted by rook on 2007-03-23 20:15:54

killing cap.
u bone headed numb skulls you idiots killed off cap. the tears and grief of billions people young old dead are on your shoulders what do you feel and you killed him in the cheapest way a sniper bullet he has been frozen he has fought enemy's big and small why couldn't you kill some one no one cares about like one of the x men or at least kill him with some thing cool like he gets killed fighting iron man or wolverine some thing big and cool so at least he has some dignity i hope Mephistopheles kills you all >:P

Posted by mr.drac1994 on 2007-03-23 20:57:49

Still Upset about Steve
It has been over two weeks, and I still can't see this right. You dolts KILLED Steve Rogers! My God, but you sure don't care about much, but your bucks, huh? Fan loyalty is out. The truth about how most, Americans feel is trashed. Yes, most. Your ridicule of Steve Rogers values in Frontline, before you had him killed, was nothing short of slap in the face to longtime comics fans like me. Your creed still seems to be the whatever you feel like America is, you create huh? Well Bobos, Steve Rogers still was what so very many of us believe in. Yes it is only comics, but it is serious to a lot of us. I spend a lot of bucks on your product, but you are making me feel VERY unwanted. You just seem to treat it like , just a job, and the heck with us. Well, the heck with you Joe. I am no longer one of your supporters, and I am certain you do not care. Just know, while I have been Making Mine Marvel since 1960, I am becoming more and more jaded towards you views of me, the job you are doing, and how you seem to feel about so many of us. Keep this kind of ridiculous crud up, and you continue to alienate many true fans. I have a choice. Maybe it is time.

Posted by johnnycakes55 on 2007-03-23 20:58:07

also
i forgot to tell u more stuff in the last on steaming turds that you people think that this is money and sales and taxes but you ego headed @$$ holes don't notice that this is not a job to us to us it is a gate way to another place where theres people destroying evil people like you
P.S i already sent the letter to Mephistopheles @$$ holes

Posted by mr.drac1994 on 2007-03-23 21:05:53

Secret wars was A classic
nuff said

Posted by piccolo1906 on 2007-03-23 21:49:06

captian america
I've read captian america comics for better than thirty five yrs and this is the worst , ever tory ,, you don't kill steve rogers.. ughhh

I'll only still around untill issue fifty thats when I think he'll return from the prison the red skull is holding him in .. only until issue fifty,,no more.. bucky will make a great cap until then and I hope we'll see the return of captian america and bucky

Posted by monster1 on 2007-03-24 00:13:04

Power in Death
Cap is an amazing hero, and I am very sad to see him go. The thing about dead heroes is they become martyrs. How many of us are now taking a good hard look at all the things that Captain America stands for? How many of us are thinking about the meaning of patriotism, justice, honor and integrity? Cap is far more powerful as a symbol than a soldier. Even a Super-Soldier.

Posted by gusshopper on 2007-03-24 00:49:34

cap's death
I just want to say that this is perhaps the biggest overreaction since janet jackson's nipples... cap is dead buhu i like comics i like cap... oh well he is dead... I'll just read something else. To say that now you're just gonna boicot everything marvel or that this was a money stunt is stupid. Come on wake up... i am a x-men fan all the way... magneto lost his powers, xavier lost his power, more x-men have died than plants have grown and I haven't stop reading... this is fiction not real live and you are all acting like you've just been raped by money eager monsters and you forget that until now these men have been your entertainment and live.

grow up for fosgaz sake
Portugal rules.

Posted by DarkestMetal on 2007-03-24 08:07:42

forgot something
GO TOM BREVOOT GO AND KICK SOME ASS!!!!!!!!!

Posted by DarkestMetal on 2007-03-24 08:08:58

I LOVED SECRET WARS!!
So what if I'm an idiot? I started collecting back when I was 9-10. I was a HUGE Spidey fan. But then stopped because I couldn't afford it. Then, when I found out about Spidey getting a BLACK costume, I started collecting for a few years (almost every title that came out) - and stopped because I couldn't afford it again. Later I found out about VENOM - the coolest character ever, but that didn't make me start collecting. The CIVIL WAR didn't make me start collecting. But when Captain America died, I ran to the comic book staore the next day. I went on ebay and got back issues, and now I am collecting again, behind my finace's back when I am supposed to be saving for our wedding.

I look forward to WORLD WAR HULK, BACK IN BLACK, and of course the INITIAVE - its like a new discovery/evolution just like SECRET WARS, Beta Ray Bill, the black spidey costume, she-hulk in the Fantasic Four, etc. So yeah, I LOVE MARVEL, and every few years they find a way to to steal my money And at the end of the day, that is the point isn't it? - but at least they do it by telling great stories and great art.

RIP Steve Rogers - You will always be Cap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Posted by mikevenom8 on 2007-03-24 09:48:38

Good Job
I think it was a good idea to kill Cap. I think you are trying to tell us your take on the Patriot Act. It makes for a good plot line and if you (please) keep Cap dead for at least 30 years the comic will be valuable and the variant cover will be even more (my greedy point of view but i no youre all thinking it)

Posted by AgentXAlexHayden on 2007-03-24 10:02:20

PUNISHER CM22 is an idiot! Frank Castle isnt the punisher, he's just wearing that costume as a tribute! he isnt going to be the new captain america! Im not even sure how he could? Surely what with him being a wanted criminal (and two books with PUNISHER in teh title) he'll be out of his tribute costume by the summer!

Posted by rcasey1 on 2007-03-24 11:10:41

secret wars/captian maerica
The secret wars was a great story many topics and stories came from that series.. it really placed captian america into the leader he was meant to be..

I've read comics (marvel) for better than 35 yrs, I love captian america... I think Bucky is the only person who can replace him for the short term..

I'll read the book until issue 50 , and wait until steve rogers returns.. and if not I'm saying I'll grow up and find something eles to spend my money on..

bring back steve by issue 50 please..

Posted by monster1 on 2007-03-24 11:18:48

Wrong
I promised I'd never post on here again because of what Marvel did to Cap, but some of you are wrong. Steve Rogers IS Captain America. He can't be replaced, and for those who say Steve will stay dead, but Captain America will not, Wrong! If that was the case, explain to me why Steve Rogers has lasted since 1941 when he was created, and countless others that Marvel tried have failed. Steve IS Cap, it's not the other way around, and if you read comics, you should know that.

Steve Rogers IS Captain America, and I only wait for the day that the "Captain America" titles loses money, so then we can get Cap back.

Posted by Cap_America on 2007-03-24 12:15:44

What's happened to this page? Why's everything blue and why are people ranting about Captain America all of a sudden?

PS The day the Captain America title loses money is the day Marvel stops publishing it - Steve Rogers or no Steve Rogers.

Posted by Fetsur on 2007-03-24 15:26:59

re;Cap #25
All I hear about is people complaining about Cap's death.GET OVER IT.This is what true comic collectors have needed for a very long time.I am so sick and tired of buying book after book,especially in the late '80s and early '90s,that within six months end up in the dollar bin.We as collectors need something that we can pass down to our children,just like our parents or grandparents passed down to us.Spidey un-masking,Cap dying,Civil War as a series,(minus Clor)and starting new teams (Avengers,fantastic four,Thunderbolts,etc.)NEEDED to happen.I can't wait to be able to pass this on to my son as he grows older (He's 5 now)and watch as his face lights up with joy,knowing what he has in his hands.10 to 15 years from now,we need to look back at this series as the biggest thing to happen to Marvel since the Golden Age.This series has the ability to be greater than the Kree-Skrull war,Secret Wars,Dark Phoenix Saga,Infinity Gauntlet,Age of Apocalypse,and Onslaught series COMBINED.Don't get me wrong,I truly care for Captain America,and will miss him,but what's done is done.Thank you Marvel for being the only company around with the balls tostand up and say,"it's time for a change".Fans that are complaining now,ought to be glad that you have a comic book store to go to anymore.Most stores went out of business in the nineties due to over-printing,poor story telling,cheap art,and cover gimmicks.Stop complaining and appreciate that you now hold a series where SPIDER MAN TOLD THE WORLD WHO HE WAS!!!!There has been nothing bigger happen in his life,not even GWEN'S DEATH!C'mon ,sit back and enjoy the treasures that you now hold.Oh,and if you don't own the Civil War series,then you have a right to complain,because I promise you I would have.Thanks Marvel,I'm tired of dollar bin books.....

Posted by acalvo01 on 2007-03-24 16:52:41

Tom Brevoort is an hero. FOR GREAT JUSTICE.

Posted by Mekairinek on 2007-03-24 18:04:55

I think this board got hijacked by smurfs or something. In addition, the level comments has decreased from interesting thoughts to mindless gibberish. Did somebody cut and paste a captain america chat thread onto this blog?


Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2007-03-24 20:41:29

interesting

Posted by brunoadam on 2007-03-25 09:39:25

classic
we all know its a classic. go home and cry to your mommies

Posted by DyPunga on 2007-03-25 13:18:56

SORRY!!
I WAS NOT MEANING TO BE OFFENSIVE, JUST HAVIN A FUNNY!! ILL TRY NOT TO BE INSENSITIVE!

Posted by DyPunga on 2007-03-25 13:21:12

SORRY
ONCE AGAIN, IM REALLY NOT BEING OUT OF LINE! CAN SOMEONE PLEASE STATE TO ME WHAT IS OU TOF LINE AND NOT?

Posted by DyPunga on 2007-03-25 13:23:39

Tom you rock.
Hey Tom your blog is one of the best on the net and I still dont know how you have the time to update as much as you do along with editing like a million books. Just wanted to say good job with Civil War, Marvel is prety exciting at the moment.

I also find it funny when people ay they stopped buying comics cos of something, I'd bet my student loan on that being untrue.

Posted by purplerocket on 2007-03-25 14:09:25

Wow Tom...that was garbage
Wow Tom. you really took a fat dump on marvel fans with that blog. "its better to be successful than popular"... i can still hear you saying that to the many dissapointed fans, with a huge hint of cockiness in your voice.
lets see... lots of people bought the civil war, so its successful...right? WRONG. who do you think bought all that garbage? new fans? please. its the same old fans that have been going to comic shops, they HOPED for something good, and the majority were dissapointed. so yeah, there ya go with your sales figures. theres a REASON you are getting angry mail. cause the people who bought it for the most part hated it.
I mean, come on. to say that people bought it, so that means we are successful, is ridiculous. people buy lots of things. and they dont neccesasrilly like it. so what can be said then? Are people like me to blame because we actually bought every issue, waiting to see if marvel could pull a rabbit out of the hat? were we dumb enough to keep buying in hopes that marvel would do something epic and in good interest of fans with a series like that? i guess you can blame us for that.
so this is what i get from you blog: "TOM DOESNT CARE WHAT FANS WANT AT ALL. TOM CARES THAT THE BIG MONEY COMES IN, AND RATHER THAN GIVE US SOMETHING WE WANT, HE WILL GIVE US THE OPPOSITE, KNOWING THAT WE WILL BE UPSET FOR IT, BUT TOM DOESNT CARE, CAUSE HES GETTIN PAID..." does that sum it up?

People are simply buying this garbage to either make a buck on ebay, or they think its the next big thing...so now we know, thanks to your blog, that the next time somebody buys a marvel comic, they should be prepared to not buy it for a great story. they should buy it to either make a buck for themselves on ebay, or make a buck for Tom and marvel.

your not making many marvel fans happy.. erm, waitaminute, i forgot... you could care less about us.. silly me...

Posted by Cyclopsj316 on 2007-03-25 16:15:08

Cap's death
Anyone who believes for one second that Steve Rogers will stay dead hasn't been reading comic books long enough.

Posted by cptncpt on 2007-03-25 18:46:16

I Like it how blogger bomaya conculed that I said a sniper killed Cap. I was just describing my reaction to reading the news on a train at 6am. I did read the issue and know who killed him. LOL now Clown.

Posted by louhobby on 2007-03-25 19:43:27

Cap's Death
First off let me explain that I've been a fan of Cap ever since I saw the Acrobat impersonation in Strange Tales. Since then I've collected almost every "Red White and Blue" character out there. In my 50 plus years of reading comics, one thing I've learned is that NO ONE ever really dies in comics. I'm not upset because I know that Captain America/Steve Rogers is not just a character. Captain America is an Ideal - a belief in all we want America to be. You can kill a man. You can even kill a character. You can't kill an IDEAL. The Spirit of America Lives. "Captain America Lives" and always will as long as there are people out there that are willing to live the American Dream - to be more than just a man/woman - to be a person who wants what is best for not just one but for all. Complain all you want - mourn the loss - but live the dream. We are all Captain America.

Posted by rrobinett on 2007-03-25 21:03:06

Church & State, my friend
I was told by a writing professor of a concept in the journalism business known as "Separation of Church & State". This refers to the divergent, yet interdependent needs of Editorial/Copy depts. vs. Marketing/Bottom Line business. Tom speaks for the Bottom Line- but give credit where credit is due. I bought Civil War issues b/c they were the first Marvel products to come out in years that were designed and illustrated excellently, and told a rather page turning story.
You met your bottom line. Congradulations- but if you want to pull in readers the way you pulled me in- as having not bought super hero books in years- then give credit where credit is due. These were enjoyable stories written to be page turners, with emotional strings, action, and some nice plot twisting. Keep it up. But be a good businessman, and PUSH the books your gifted writers & artists are developing for your bottom line. And keep 'em coming. And btw- as a lifelong Hulk Fan, World War Hulk being drawn by Gary Frank is a good start- but I'm still not quite convinced. Whatcha gonna do NOW?

Posted by DJOser3 on 2007-03-25 21:06:09

Cap
I could understand that killing of cap was in order to tie in to sintiments felt now a days towards the U.S, But cap did not stand for the mainstreamed, fool driven, mtv, superficial bigot america is today. Captain america stood for liberty that many great people like Matin Luther King stood and died for, the justice of always standing up for the people who needed it the most like Theodore Roosevelt during the depression, the need to stand up against tyrants like Hitler who would of otherwised killed of whole ethnecies.

Now more than ever we need something to remind us that america might be going down the dumps because of war, poverty, and the state of the union but though it all we need a emblem of the land that people have died and fought for, a land of the free, a land of hope, the old and righteous america we read about in our history books. but through it all if the whole world became a bunch of foolish baboons who want a new kick and to get that kick you as writers had to kill your loved ones, would you? so why kill of a emblen that means so much to so many people, and although you didn't kill it directly, it died when you killed Cap. think about that the next time you kill of someone for "Kicks"

Posted by chrismaister1689 on 2007-03-25 23:11:47

This is wrong, all wrong!
Why? Just answer me this: Why? Why the Civil War? Why Spider-Man unmasking? Why Iron Man going insane? (There, I said it) Why Cap's death? It's not right! All that hype about the Civil War, and around 75% of fans agreeing with Captain America, and this is how it ends? Cap just surrenders, and then dies? And then Iron Man, who hunted down people who just did what was right, holding them in a god-forsaken dimension with no trial, and jumping at the chance to bring some of the world's most vile psychopaths to his side, after doing all that, gets to look like the good guy?!?! Most of us don't want any of this. I propose the entire Civil War, any evennts that happened as a result, be retconned out. I know this may sound like an insane idea to anyone reading it, but I'll be damned if I don't say something!!

Posted by Jkid29 on 2007-03-26 05:08:21

very beautyfull :P
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Posted by |Hero| on 2007-03-26 07:37:21

The loss of Captain America
One of my beleives about comics is that most characters aside from those like Wolverine and Thor should have died or been crippled by old age by now anyway. Aside from that, I always expected that Cap would die in some epic battle. It could have been a great end to the Civil War by instead of having him surrender, you could have had him make the battle with Iron Man a battle to the death. That way he would have gone down fighting, helped make I.M. more of a villain and he could have been a true martyr to the anti-reg cause. That would have been and even bigger lightning rod that Spidey going public and allowed the storyline to continue strong outside of the 7 issue series. Killing Cap in general? Sad. He was my favorite hero because he was the everyman who offered everything to serve his country. He was a relatable icon unlike a character like Superman who was too powerful and not even human. Cap was litterally a symbol for America and freedom. No matter what he will at least be missed.

Posted by irishmonkey on 2007-03-26 08:21:01

Cap's death
Cap's death was a great move for Marvel to turn some heads, which by reading all the blogs here, it worked. Marvel needed something as big as Supes death and here it is. This even gave Marvel a top story on CNN. Also, we shouldnt all get so torn up over this story, how many times have our comic book chains killed a hero and let him be gone for good? Not very many. Nice job Marvel. Cap #25 was a good read.

Posted by pdhelto on 2007-03-26 08:59:45

Cap is dead because of a lack of creativity, part of THE AVENGERS and all of his life , he never failed and now what do we got ? a president's death, he's human like all of us, what will be justice now ? half human and half a machine...
My favourite scene with Cap will stay in ULTIMATE when he tell Hank Pym to grow up...

Posted by notapotatoe on 2007-03-26 09:14:43

i agree 100% with Minty23, i heard about the civil war through a friend and it got me back into comics, i thought caps death was an awesome turn of events (as i remember, everyone was hoping for a huge death to shake up the marvel U) and i will continue to read marvel (its my only brand) keep up the great work, and you will always have my support.

Posted by angelmaker on 2007-03-26 12:31:38

Cap's Death
Why do people think this is a desperate move. Is marvel hurting? I don't see it. With great stories like Civil War, Annihilation doing well and setting off other interesting plot lines in the other books, ie Planet Hulk/World War Hulk, Back in Black. I don't think this is done out of desperation. It does make me sad and I was shocked when I heard it. But isn't that what a great story should do. Hey I didn't like the way Iron Man was being portrayed in some of the civil war stories but thats life. (in comics too I guess)

Posted by kunglu on 2007-03-26 13:54:19

Secret Wars
The difference between Secret Wars back in the 80’s and today’s comics is that Secret Wars was a masterful marketing ploy with a mediocre story. I was about 9 or ten when I first saw Secret Wars and at the time I thought it was awesome because it had all of my favorite hero’s and villains. I loved the art work, and loved how they exercised everyone’s power so you got a taste of everyone. Now I cannot speak for every one but I picked up all the books that preceded SW and after SW and even the SWII stuff which was in some cases much worse. I even bought the RPG game and SW module for it. On top of that I got to learn more about the X-men and FF and what was going on in there respective books, because at the time I was primarily an Avenger/ Spider-man reader and it made me start buying them too.

Now it’s much different time, I rarely if ever see 9 and 10 year olds picking up comics and most of the people I know who grew up with comics still buy them. The prices have changed as well, meaning that most people won’t buy 6 or seven title’s they’ll settle for one or two now.

My point here is that Secret Wars was and is successful because it had fans before it came out and created fans afterward. It catapulted a new generation of readers. Today the buck stop here and there will be much fewer readers in the future than you have today because of the decision being made. I for one after the Civil War story line have for the most part stop buying any new Marvel comics. There are a lot of mistakes and I have been reading Marvel long enough to know they use to care about the reader more than the writer, artist and editor. With all the mistakes that are made and story line discontinuity from past to present, I am not sure what’s going on any more.


Posted by quantumfield on 2007-03-26 15:39:16

Steve Rogers Lives
Once again, this is not going away. Steve Rogers is Captain America. Any of you naysayers think Peter Parker can be replaced? Logan? Get a grip. Steve is Cap as Bruce is Bats (oops) as Bruce is the Hulk. C'mon Marvel, what did you do, you new bloods? You have torn it all up, and we are not happy. From the boards/blogs I have read, it must run 80 - 90 % who think as I do. So...what now Bobo Bloods?

Posted by johnnycakes55 on 2007-03-26 15:46:07

Well, as one can see, so many people are affected by the death of Captain America, that they're bound to bring him back, simply to make more sales. Like he said, they're in business to sell comics, so they'll bring Captain America back because it'll bring the dough in. I'm with most of you guys, I hate the fact that Cap is dead as much as you guys, but this won't last.

I read Ghost Rider comics primarily, and I'm always in fear that they'll cancel it again (this is like the 3rd run so far). It really sucks, but because Ghost Rider, at times isn't "successful" they end up finishing it off and I'm stuck with an empty bag. Well, I guess thats how Marvel works. I'll continue to read them, but JUST them. I think that's best.

For the record, I agree that Secret War was crap. I read it and it was so stupid I just wanted to drop it. But, I hate to start something and not finish it. It was torture. I don't care how many stories and characters came from it.

Posted by Grizza on 2007-03-26 18:06:36

And the world moves on...
Ok, so I have to say up front that I don't collect Captain America. I bought the two Winter Soldier trades because I was hearing all this buzz about how great the story was. And it was...ok I suppose.
So the day that they killed off Cap (what, two, three weeks ago?) I saw the story on MSN and thought "Hey, I should probably pick that up from the store." My comic shop never sells out of Captain America. Ever.
So I get there, and of course, sold out. News hit, and people are running for the store, picking the issue up. And I'm stunned by this, you know? Because it's Captain America, and really who cares?
I come home, get on Marvel.com to see what's up, and I see the instant backlash reaction that accompanies any move made by this company. "You killed an American legend!" or "My child and I will pray for you, you soulless capitalists" or "How can you kill him? It's just about the money with you, and you've never cared about me or the other readers who have followed Cap for so long."
And you know, at first I thought all this was horribly funny, because I remember people wanting a big death at the end of Civil War, and it doesn't get much bigger than this.
I'm reminded of when they started the Ultimate line, and everybody swore this was the end of the regular Marvel Universe, and all the regular titles were going to end, and that we, as readers, couldn't just sit back and let this happen. And lord did that rant go on forever. Despite the fact that people had been complaining about too much continuity to follow. Complaining that books were to inaccessible to new, young readers. They gave you what you wanted, and you complained.
And now they gave you a death. You wanted someone sacrificed. You wanted a blood-debt to be paid, because that is what many of you thought it would take to make Civil War worth it. I just bet you wanted it to be Iron Man instead. And I can only imagine the backlash then.
So, to wrap it up....They gave you what you asked for, so get over it. Keep in mind that nothing in Marvel-land ever stays the same for too long, and that eventually, Cap will come back. And keep in mind that when you ask for something, every now and then you get it.

Posted by just_some_guy on 2007-03-26 18:28:03

Damn right.

Posted by TallforaDwarf on 2007-03-26 19:15:09

What Cap America fan is happy now?
How can the death of Cap America make any Cap America fan happy? Who's next? Peter Parker, Ben Grimm, Wolverine? I predict that Cap America fans will buy 1 less comic each month for quite a while.

Posted by Doommeister on 2007-03-26 19:27:12

Caps. Death Is Just WRONG!
Captian America stood for what was right, I was on his side the whole time. This was a bad turning point in the Civil War. I hope he rises from the dead! LOL!!!

Posted by wolv123 on 2007-03-26 19:46:48

Wrong? Cap is one of my absolute favorite characters in Marvel (which is saying a lot) and I wasn't upset about his death. Why? Because it's dramatic as hell, it directs tons of attention toward Marvel (which leads to more money for Marvel, which leads to better paid writers and artists, which leads to better comics for us), and the second Marvel starts pulling punches it ceases to be what has captivated all of us since we were little kids. And Marvel has kept things very exciting lately: from Disassembled to House of M to Civil War and now this. The more groundbreaking, the more heart-wrenching, the more thought provoking, the better. Civil War had to end somehow and I think everyone knew that it wasn't going to be easy. This isn't the Infinity Gauntlet or any other such series from the early '90's. We can't accept some miraculous happening that makes all of these dramatic changes go away. So, someone had to die. And I applaud Marvel for making a bold choice. No one is ever going to forget this...

And besides, when the time is right, when all the dust is settled, and when there is a badass writer to make it happen, Cap will be back and better than ever. We;ll appreciate him more when we've had to live without him a while (and who knows? He may show up in time to fix the huge debacle that the Initiative is bound to turn into). So was his death wrong? No... Making all of us wait until May for issue 13 of The Ultimates 2 is wrong. ;)

Posted by TallforaDwarf on 2007-03-26 20:12:08

Well said, TallforaDwarf. Making us wait for issue 13 is a travesty being thrust upon readers of Marveldom for no reason other than Marvel's desire to make more money at the expense of the readers! And further more...wait...I think I just found the instance where that argument can't be made at all.

I'd also like to say that I am loving that by selling books, Marvel is betraying everything that America and it's Captain stand for. It's an obvious attack against capitalism by writting an event that sells out from the shelves and making tons of money! Marvel is the Red Transformer, Communist in Disguise!

Ok, I'm officially finding the complaints funny again, which means I'm going to have to get some sleep and get my mind back on track. That being said, I have this visual image of the little kid at the end of Shane yelling "wait Captain America! Come back!" Little brat.

Posted by just_some_guy on 2007-03-26 20:25:41

Wow you guys...
I think it is amazing that kinds of topics that will get people talking. Come on. Relax guys. If he is dead, he is dead. He is a comic book character. If that move on Marvel's part was desperate, lame or whatever lovely adjectives you have used, then just get over it. Move on with your lives. If you are that die-hard of a fan then go pick up some older issues and make sure you have every teeny-tiny part of his life story just right. Analyze every sentence in every page in every comic and make sure you haven't missed any important clues or foreshadowing. And then...go get a girl/boyfriend cause I think you need to get out just a little more.

Posted by GirlyGirl on 2007-03-26 20:52:17

Holy Crap!! Captain America was a great hero no doubt. I see people complaining in here about not giving the fans what they want, but if we always got what we wanted, what would be the point of reading?? I for one saw his death coming during the Civil War, and was honestly surprised that they didn't kill him off earlier. Just chill out and find out what happens next.

Posted by helios173 on 2007-03-26 21:46:42

Captain America..
I have always been a cap fan. I finally got around to getting a subscription of cap and #25 was my first issue received. And he dies! I was and still am upset, cap was the greatest. Why not sacrafice Spiderman, or Marvel's precious Wolverine. If marvel is going in this direction, I think I am going to start getting my comic fix from another company.

Posted by adjoha872 on 2007-03-26 22:19:55

I have to admit, I would send complaint mail if they killed Tom ... but I am enjoying Cap's death.

Posted by bystander103 on 2007-03-27 11:41:27

I think that Brubaker's doing a great job, and he wouldn't have killed Cap if he didn't have a plan for the series.

And I would like to apologise to Tom on behalf of all fan's everywhere for that peculiar hardcore that seems to confuse

"WE HATE YOU BECAUSE YOU REPRESENT EVERYTHING THAT THE IDEAL OF CAPTAIN AMERICA FOUGHT AGAINST...BIG BUSINESS, LACK OF CREATIVITY (a sniper bullet? How stupid was that!!), AND EGOTISM."
with legitimate discourse.

Captain America fought Nazis, not lack of creativity. What the hell are you on about, you sad little fan.


Posted by deworde on 2007-03-27 13:01:45

dammit, I meant fans not fan's

Posted by deworde on 2007-03-27 13:02:31

cap a
why would you do that marvels great and the death of cap could lead to so much. im cool with superman dead he was the stupidest superhero ever i mean he iss indestrucatable cept for kryptonite but whats the point of an indestructable superhero (theres wolverine but at least hes cool and got character).

Posted by tintac on 2007-03-27 14:28:58

popularity versus success
If you're not careful the statement that you'd rather be successful than popular could be understood as, "I'd rather have you buy more comics than respect your emotional investment in our characters." If people start getting that drift, popularity and success may both go down together. The fact is, people get invested in characters and their "stories." Please handle with care, and some class. Thanks

ARC3

Posted by ArcAngel3 on 2007-03-27 23:15:57

I agree
There's really not much else to say, although I think it was a smart idea to kill cap in civil war. Poeple are complainin but the truth always hurts doesnt it.

Posted by terciera on 2007-03-28 09:41:46

Winter Soldier's revenge
I like Cap and was sad to see him die, but what a way to go.

All though many dislike it, who can say they don't want to find out what happens after this issue?

We have a lot of great stuff going on here, like Red Skull, Arnim Zola and Dr.Faustus being behind the assasination (how classic and old school cool is that).

On the other side, Nick Fury and Bucky, underground and on the run in the post civil war world. We know they will not stop until Cap's death is avenged.

I would rather enjoy reading a couple of years of Bucky kicking @@@#@* as he did to Crossbones (if Falcon didn't stop him Cap wouldn't be the only one pushing up daisies now).

Check out the cover to Cap 27 in the June previews and tell me that's not cool.

Fans are very angry about the death of Cap.......in the other words they feel the same way Bucky does, and there is our story.

I have a feeling Bucky is going lash out and pull something that will blow every one away and firmly ensconce him as an A list marvel character. The way Brubaker revisted the WW II days and showed the true nature of Cap and Bucky's relationship, with Cap as the public face and Bucky as the ruthless covert agent nobody suspected was brilliant.

I think this set up is excellent and look forward to the development of the character. Bucky (or anybody else) will never replace Cap but how this all goes down is going to be a tale worth telling.

He's already killed the Red Skull once, Bucky is a super bad MF!

So when do we get the action figure? ;-)



Posted by chrisbanff on 2007-03-29 01:39:13

why
why even kill captain America? We all know he's coming back in awhile. I thought only Bucky staye dead, but now he's back as well. I'm getting tired of writers sacrificing a good story for being sensastional.

Posted by Hulksmash! on 2007-03-29 12:33:40

This is ridiculous, the blog didn't even mention Cap or his death. At least post in a section which has something to do with what you're talking about people.
Anyway, as i'm sure you know Tom you're completely right. Marvel is a business and if it's making more money because of an idea than that idea is a success, congrats and i hope you get a raise for having to put up with this stuff.

P.S. If i had infinite power over Marvel you'd be just where you are now.

Posted by Omega Flyer on 2007-03-29 13:44:39

We Fear Change
We want everything to stay the same. Big changes to what we're used to frighten us or make us angry because it could jepordize our little comfort bubble that we're so used to.

But, come on. These characters have been around longer than most of us have been alive! How many times can Galactus attack Earth, get his world eating butt handed to him, and he goes away thinking "Man, I should really stop doing this." (I am just using this as an example, I know all about the Ulimate Nillifier.) How many times can Wolverine and Sabertooth fight without one of them dying so it can just happen again next year? How can we bring back Magneto AGAIN to mess with the X-Men some more? How many women in the marvel universe CAN Daredevil sleep with? If Glactus keeps on coming back, Wolverine and Sabertooth is always a draw, Magneto dies so often when you see him comatose on a helicopter that explodes your like "Uh-huh...suuuure", If Daredevil sleeps with every woman in the in the marvel universe, you're just going to expect the same things to happen every single year and that's no fun...Except for Daredevil.

These characters need to remain fresh, with new villans, new allies, new situations, new problems and the only way that that's going to happen is if they shake things up and see what the very capable writers at marvel can do with it and what directions they can take their characters.

I'm not to crazy about how civil war ended, but I'm fully invested to find out how it turns out. These heroes have been going around for decades fighting villians and saving the universe over and over again and the only people that knew about it were the heroes that were involved and "someone else" had to clean up the mess afterwards. Now there's organization and documented events for mostly everything that they do.

For decades heroes have been fighting a villan, putting him in jail, having him bust out or get out for some reason, go back out into the world and cause mayhem and the superhero goes "Man, he's still crazy? Ok, I guess I'll put him in jail again." Just to have the same thing happen year after year. Did anyone really think that Scorpion was going to get out of jail, hang up his tail, and say "Wow I've been doing it wrong for so many years. I think I'll work a minimum wage job, find a nice girl to marry and live out in the suburbs."? No, he's going to get out rob a bank and try to kill spider-man, because that's what he does. Now Bad Guys actually have a chance at reform that they never had before.

I don't like that the Hulk was kicked off the planet. But, he's going to come back and he's going to be pissed and who isn't ready to see how that all the fall out from that.

I don't like that they killed Captain America. And like I said before, I don't like the way Civil War ended, BUT, I like the reason that Captain America surrendered and the fact that the people who stopped him were regular people and that snapped him into reality. I don't like that Captain American was killed, in actuality I don't like the way that he was killed. However, it changes a lot of things, it's a huge mystery that I can't wait to find out what actually happened and if you haven't read the civil war confession, you missed a great little peice of character development. It's a huge change and I'm sure some amazing things are going to come out of it...But if Ronin on the New Avengers really is Captain America I'm going to go up to New York and kick one of your interns right in the head. And I don't care which intern it is! (I'd probably calm down by the time I actually got to New York, so don't worry.)

Bottom line, change needs to happen. Not only for the characters to develop and stay fresh, but also to attract new readers so that they can enjoy these stories as much as we all do. We just have to trust that Marvel is going to keep us regulars entertained and at the same time, get more money by trying to attract new readers. I Mean, come one they've been doing it for like 50-60 years, they must be doing something right.

Those are my thoughts, go ahead and pick it apart and call me stupid, but it's not going to change my opinion. But feel free if you like to hear yourself type.

Posted by Dubin794 on 2007-03-29 15:26:23

Sick!
The entire "Civil War" and its many fallout affects is stupid, sick and weak! Captain America dead? Right! I don't believe the company I've been following for years has stooped to something so lame. It's bad enough that you've ruined Spider-Man by letting the whole world know he's Peter Parker you not only hacked me off but you also lost a lot of readers. Once upon a time there was this amazing thing people called a SECRET meaning that was the reason for reading the books. Especially in Spidey's case there was al;ways the thing where he'd worry about Parker's problems while wearing the mask and Spidey's woes would trouble him in his Parker guise. That's what made it such an entertaining venue. Bottom line is I refuse to buy a magazine that I've loved for years if it's just going to irritate me. Stop trying to 'shake up the whole universe' and return to writing well thought out and written entertainment. That way EVERYONE will enjoy the magic that is comic book reading.

Posted by scotchyj70 on 2007-03-30 12:55:43

Cap's Death
Cap's death was nothing more than a political statement on the current situation in this country. It's a shame that Captain America wasn't used in a positive light. In the old days, comics were used, as were movies, as propaganda and rallying points to try to draw people together in a common cause. Cap could have been very successful in that way today. There are enough talented writers and artists who could have pulled it off nicely. Instead, the death of Captain America is a statement showing disaproval with the USA. "America is fallen". "It's not cool to be a patriot." Remember, patriotism means loving the country, not loving the political hacks and parties that deserve to be thrown out of power. This applies to All Parties.

At least now we know where Marvel writers and editors stand. DC comics is in the same position. After all, writers work for both companies. DC has replaced Superman's catch phrase with "Truth, justice and all that stuff". It's a shame that newspaper comics and comic books have to be political or social commentary. Isn't that what the editorial pages are for? Can't they go back to just being good, entertaining stories? I imagine if the political climate of the country changes, Cap can be resurrected. If not as Steve Rogers, someone else can step up.

Posted by bpullin on 2007-03-30 21:47:18

got it
I don't know who talk about the Cap/DD story arc ( neither where ) by Miller and Mazzuchelli but I think that everybody like justice from Hell's Kitchen

Posted by notapotatoe on 2007-03-31 06:29:01

even
if I had always think that AMERICAN EAGLE was an interesting - but misunderestimate - character...

Posted by notapotatoe on 2007-03-31 06:41:48

HEY
the guy who said that about DD and American Eagle is a genius
(oops)

Posted by notapotatoe on 2007-03-31 06:45:49

R.I.P. Cap
Killing Captain America was a pretty incredible move, if you at Marvel really mean it. i LOVE Captain America, he is the greatest iconic hero of all of them. He truly represents all that is best in America. But, I have to say this; now that you have killed Steve Rogers, let him stay dead. Do not bring him back in five months, five years, or ever. Let him become a legend now, and let that legend guide the Marvel Universe. PLEASE do not pull a Death of Superman. That was the stupidest mistake DC ever made.
What is great about Captain America is you can bring the hero back without Steve Rogers. Yes, I know the next Captain America will not be Steve Rogers, but that is okay, we'll get over it. Eventually. You have to come up with a Captain America who is the same as the old in that he believes in all that is best in our country. He has to believe in a land of the free, he needs to be a Boy Scout, a true Patriot. DO NOT let the Punisher become Captain America. You need to find someone who can fill Steve Rogers' shoes. A great new direction for Cap's comic would be to take a year or so to find a new Captain America, finally finding the one guy or girl who can truly take up the mantle. Please make it a guy. I'm tired of political correctness. Let Steve Rogers rest in peace, but let Captain America live again.

Posted by papabearwoody on 2007-04-01 21:31:51

read the comic!
All you haters out there should actually READ the comic, instead you're just reacting to the news of his death. Brubaker has been doing an incredible job on Capt America. Brubaker's Capt America is the longest I've ever read Capt America consistently and consecutively. Did I want Cap to die? NO! But I have faith in Brubaker b/c the guy can tell a story. As far as I'm concerned, Brubaker's Capt America is THE Definitive Capt America.

Marvel, I'm waiting on an oversized hardcover of Bru's Capt America. How about it?

Dubin794, thank you for seeing how I saw (and what Mark Millar was trying to convey) Cap's surrender. He didn't "quit." He was brought back to reality by regualr folks. Like you, I can't wait to read what's going to happen next. I like being surprised.

By the way, I liked Secret Wars (80's). I read it when I was a 6th grader, and that mini made Doom my favorite villain, ever. Doom defeats the beyonder! Only Doom reaches for the impossible. I'm currently re-reading it right now. Sure, Jim Shooter's characterization of some characters I disagree with, but the overall story is great.

I'm all for bringing in NEW readers. Why? $2.99 or $3.99 for a comic. Sheesh! A higher volume of sales will (or can) bring the price down (or halt price increases). Comics are not selling as many as in years before, so the price creeps up.

Posted by Wolver-Ham on 2007-04-02 03:45:16

american eagle
american eagle will be in the thunderbolts no?


Posted by wolfseb117 on 2007-04-02 11:40:45

Theories
Captain America's death in the Marvel Universe was pretty shocking, but I think there's a plan behind it:

1) The ultimate martyr
Everyone knew where Cap stood when it came to the Superhero Registration Act. Although he surrendered and gave into the act, the public isn't going to forget his stance.

By killing him off, it makes Captain America become the ultimate martyr. It should make the public question if Cap was right in his stance due to the consequences that revealing secret identities has now wrought.

2) The "cloning"
I think Iron Man's attempt to clone Captain America is to prevent a backlash against those who were in support of the Act, and the possibility of a second Civil War breaking out. If he can show that Captain America is alive (even though nobody else will know it's a clone), then Cap can't become a martyr - and thus Iron Man's interests are safe, for the moment.

3) The aftermath
Although I don't think the real Steve Rogers is dead, I've got a feeling that he's going to remain that way for a while, until more heros face personal tragedies in their lives that force them to start to question whether or not the Superhero Registration Act was the right way to go.

Only when it's finally repealed, I think the real Captain America will re-emerge again.

Posted by Zania Jaarda on 2007-05-11 13:54:38