Re: Magneto & Captain America
Posted: 11.07.2009 8:07am
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gammascream wrote:
ANY Thoughts on this unexplored topic?????
Lol, I almost forgot Vision and Scarlet Witch #6
Wanda and Vision have a housewarming party and invite Captain America and Namor. Cap and Namor remark that with Vision inhabiting a copy of the Human Torch Android, it's almost an Invaders Reunion.
Then Magneto shows up to visit his daughter and he mingles with the party guests.
Re: Magneto & Captain America
Posted: 11.08.2009 5:47am
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actionfigure wrote:
gammascream wrote:
ANY Thoughts on this unexplored topic?????
Lol, I almost forgot Vision and Scarlet Witch #6
Wanda and Vision have a housewarming party and invite Captain America and Namor. Cap and Namor remark that with Vision inhabiting a copy of the Human Torch Android, it's almost an Invaders Reunion.
Then Magneto shows up to visit his daughter and he mingles with the party guests.
Classic 80's stuff.
I wouldn't say he "mingled". He sat there awkwardly while everyone stared at him in fear and suspicion, until he went in the kitchen to talk to Wanda and ended up getting screamed at. Then left to be jumped by Toad and simulacrums of the old Brotherhood.
All in all, a pretty crappy Thanksgiving for Magneto.
But Magnus and Cap never talked about both being in WWII beyond New Mutants #40. And while they had a conversation during X-Men vs. Avengers (about Magneto using a device that would wipe the prejudice against mutants from the mind of the human race), they did not discuss WWII.
After Magneto turned himself in, Cap testified against Magnus at his trial, and later in the 1990's and Lobdel had Cap compare Magneto to Hitler in the 1990's. So while Magneto's option of Cap went up, Cap's opinion of Magneto seems to have gone down.
I think an interaction between them would be amazing.
Only if they can get Captain American past the whole, "Magneto is a bad guy" thing.
Which, granted, at this stage in the game, after Civil War and the initiative, etc., Cap might be willing to give Magneto a break at last. Maybe he can realize at last that while Magneto's methods were questionable (often, but not always, wrong), his motives were with just cause.
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A little off topic, but where was Xavier during WWII?
Originally, he was only a child during WWII. (There was a few year gap between Magnus and Charles' ages). He was drafted into the Korean War, which means he was 18 between 1950 and 1952, which means he was born between 1932 and 1934. Too young to serve in WWII.
As Marvel slid the timeline and Charles' military service changed from the Korean War to Vietnam, he stopped being alive during WWII altogether and the gap between he and Magnus ages has widened.
I think an interaction between them would be amazing.
Only if they can get Captain American past the whole, "Magneto is a bad guy" thing.
Which, granted, at this stage in the game, after Civil War and the initiative, etc., Cap might be willing to give Magneto a break at last. Maybe he can realize at last that while Magneto's methods were questionable (often, but not always, wrong), his motives were with just cause.
I'm a big fan of enemies meeting in civil circumstances (Troy, Highlander) and if Magneto was walking down the street and he bumped into Steve, or something, I'm sure there could be more than just shield throwing metal bending.
I mean, like you say, Magneto isn't necessary evil, he's practically doing what Steve is doing, and that's standing up for what he believes in. I think a civil discussion between the two would be incredibly enlightening. Like that scene with Magneto and Kitty Pryde back in the day.
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A little off topic, but where was Xavier during WWII?
Originally, he was only a child during WWII. (There was a few year gap between Magnus and Charles' ages). He was drafted into the Korean War, which means he was 18 between 1950 and 1952, which means he was born between 1932 and 1934. Too young to serve in WWII.
As Marvel slid the timeline and Charles' military service changed from the Korean War to Vietnam, he stopped being alive during WWII altogether and the gap between he and Magnus ages has widened.[/quote]
OK, thank you. But I suppose that would make Magneto pretty old, then. He would be somewhere in his 80s, because didn't he have children during WWII?
And Xavier would be younger, and yet, Xavier's the bald one! He must envy Magneto his hair. _________________ An All Star DC Universe fanfic!
But I suppose that would make Magneto pretty old, then. He would be somewhere in his 80s, because didn't he have children during WWII?
No. Magnus was in Auschwitz as a teenager during WWII. He did not have children until years after he and Magda had escaped, settled into the Carpathian mountains, and married. Anya was born in the late 1940's, the twins in the early 1950's.
As to Magneto's age, it one of the FAQ on my website:
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Given Magneto's encounters with Alpha the Ultimate Mutant and Eric the Red, this question has two answers: His chronological age and his physical age.
Chronologically: The Magneto Testament Miniseries gives a firm date for Magneto's age in 1935: Nine. So Magneto is now (chronologically) 83 years old. He entered Auschwitz in 1942, when he was 16 years old. He and Magda escaped during the October 1944 uprising.
This is only a slight alteration of previous accounts on panel. In Uncanny #199, eyewitness stated that Magneto was in Auschwitz "from the beginning". This is confirmed by the manner of his family's death (shown in New Mutants #49), the Einsatzgruppen operating in Poland in the months following the invasion in 1939. From the fact that Magnus’ mutant abilities were just beginning to emerge, as well as from his appearance, he was a very young teen when he was sent there, probably between the ages of 11 to 14. 1939 – 11 to 14 = 1925 to 1928. By these accounts Magneto would be between the ages of 81 to 84.
Physically: Magneto was reduced to infancy by Alpha the Ultimate Mutant in (publication time) 1974, when he would have been in his late 40/early 50’s. Eric the Red would re-age him “to the prime of his life” three years later (publication time) in 1977. At the time of the Trial of Magneto (publication time) 1985, Magneto was medically and legally established to be “…biologically a man in his early 30’s”
Here is where things get fuzzy. Because superheroes can’t grow old at the same rate the people reading about them do (because the most important ones would now all be at retirement age and then some), Marvel has enacted a “Sliding Timescale”, shifting events in the Marvel Universe against “real time” in order to keep their characters seeming “young”. Originally, Xavier served in the Korean War, now it’s Vietnam. Tony Stark first became Iron Man during the Vietnam conflict, now its Gulf War I.
Chronologically, Magneto can not be “slid”. He is locked into the Holocaust. WWII cannot be suddenly shifted to the 1960’s, nor can the Holocaust be removed from Magneto’s character background without completely destroying it. Even sliding his post-Holocaust, pre-Cape Citadel experiences causes problems as instead of being 7 to 10 years older than Xavier when they meet in Israel in the late 1950's, Magnus would be 20-30 years older than Xavier when they meet in the 1970's. (This has created an interesting conundrum where the twins are concerned, but Marvel has addressed this by stating that the High Evolutionary kept the infant twins in suspended animation for a decade or so before adopting them out to the Maximoff's.)
However, everything that happened since he first appeared on panel can be "slid". So by matching his progression in age to that of the original five X-Men (who first appeared the same issue he did) who are just now entering their 30’s, Magneto probably has not aged more than ten years "comic time" since his “rejuvenation” 31 years ago "publication time". Physically he is probably no more than his late 30’s/early 40’s.
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And Xavier would be younger, and yet, Xavier's the bald one! He must envy Magneto his hair.
I'm sure he does. Xavier went bald at a very young age. He was bald by the time he went to college.
I'm a big fan of enemies meeting in civil circumstances (Troy, Highlander) and if Magneto was walking down the street and he bumped into Steve, or something, I'm sure there could be more than just shield throwing metal bending.
I mean, like you say, Magneto isn't necessary evil, he's practically doing what Steve is doing, and that's standing up for what he believes in. I think a civil discussion between the two would be incredibly enlightening. Like that scene with Magneto and Kitty Pryde back in the day.
Yes, I agree. Philosophical debates between two long lived A-list idealists such as these would be far more interesting to read than fisticuffs. Back in X-men vs. Avengers, Cap taught Magneto a lesson. I think it times Cap acknowledged that Magneto had some valid points as well. Not in his methods, but in his essential argument.
gammascream hero Joined: 09.12.2006 Posts: 890
Posted: 11.10.2009 3:31am
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WOW!! This is comic idealism @ its finest! Everything discussed here is why i use comics as my drug of choice! But yes, this interaction should be done not just with Cap & Magneto, but maybe some other characters as well. I hope one day Cap and Magneto are able to get together and share ideas and do some good in the world...like maybe take down Doom & Osborn??
