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edhaney
edhaney

I haven't picked up a Captain America or Avengers title since they changed Cap. Not that my money means a whole lot to Marvel overall but I know I'm not alone. Everyone has an opinion so make it known with the money you spend.

Valone11
Valone11

You don't make marvel more diverse by taking characters we all know and love suddenly changing their races and religions. You just piss off your ,soon to be ex, fan base. If you want super heroes with black, latin, and or muslim backgrounds then invent them. this is a pathetic attempt at pleasing the left.

groot4president2k16
groot4president2k16

@Valone11 Characters borrow different identities all the time in comics. I'll bet you didn't think it was a "pathetic attempt pleasing the left" when Bucky, or even The Punisher took over the role of Cap. And Marvel *do* create characters with different ethnic backgrounds, like Miles Morales or Kamala Khan, still doesn't stop reactionaries from throwing a tantrum about perceived "pandering".

Valone11
Valone11

@groot4president2k16 @Valone11 MIles Morales and Kamala Khan... you mean Spider Man and Ms. Marvel? Thank you for helping me prove my point further . They already existed as Peter Parker and Carol Danvers. Glad to see we are on the same page pal.

groot4president2k16
groot4president2k16

@Valone11 @groot4president2k16 But we're quite clearly not on the same page. How poor is your reading comprehension???

Kamala & Miles aren't race-swapped versions of existing characters, they're new characters that have borrowed superhero titles that weren't in use. Peter Parker "died" in 1610, and Miles Morales stepped in. Carol Danvers took the title of Captain Marvel after Mar-Vell died. The name "Ms. Marvel" was no longer in use, so Kamala used it. This isn't difficult to understand, "pal".

You didn't respond to the first thing either (surprise, surprise) - did you whine about  "pandering to the left" when Bucky Barnes or The Punisher became Captain America?

Valone11
Valone11

@groot4president2k16 @Valone11 Looking at most of the comments here people have already decided what they want. You are the one that is whining, and insulting people, pal. :)

groot4president2k16
groot4president2k16

@Valone11 @groot4president2k16 Lol, and again, you can't seem to respond to anything that's actually been said. For the *third* time: did you complain about "pandering" when Bucky Barnes or The Punisher took over the role of Captain America?

And I haven't insulted you at all though? I questioned how poor your reading comprehension is because you deliberately interpreted disagreement as agreement, and decided to be smug in place of having anything to say.

I haven't "whined" either - that would be you, with your first post, whining about "the left" (with some extra whining about characters of different races and religions). Pointing out your nonsense isn't whining, and you're still unable to form a coherent argument.

A handful of comments on one specific page don't really count for much. Loads of people love Sam Wilson as Cap, and the lowest monthly sales point for All-New Cap was ~40,000, which is significantly higher than a lot of other Marvel titles. Plus he's had the "Fear Him" series, "Captain America and the Avengers", and fans keep buying his comics. Not sure where this supposed "soon to be ex-fanbase" is. Stay salty, pal. ;)

avengersattack123
avengersattack123

@groot4president2k16 @Valone11  Okay, your grammar is just excellent here "And Marvel *do* create characters with..."  you should have used *does* if you're going to try to prove a point at least use correct grammar.

edhaney
edhaney

What are you insinuating with this question?

*For the *third* time: did you complain about "pandering" when Bucky Barnes or The Punisher took over the role of Captain America? *

(Sorry about caps. Posting from phone and won't switch)

edhaney
edhaney

I guess it did switch them.....

OXNARDM
OXNARDM

I recently read a statement by Axel Alonso, that said Sam Wilson is a representation of "every man", implying, that Sam's Captain America is somehow better because of this. I disagree, Captain America is an ideal, an inspiration, something to aspire to.  Whether or not that image can be achieved is unimportant, it is the example that matters. His remark only goes to show me that his understanding of the character is limited and misguided.

Might I suggest reading Captain America issue 120, Crack up on Campus, from 1968, I was 7 when I read that book and it defines Captain America for me, as someone who believes in the people and their rights, and will defend them even if it means standing against the people in power.

 Give Sam back his identity, treat him with respect. Give him his own voice and his own book, its good I'll buy it, cuz I'm not buying it now. Return Steve to his rightful place, where he belongs.


OXNARDM
OXNARDM

We are part way there, it looks like Remender is gone, now bring Steve back and give Sam his own identity and book.

Avengersobssedo
Avengersobssedo

He's my favorite superhero ever. he worships god and he tries to be the best man he can be.

I've read over 200 ishes that have him in it.

Avengersobssedo
Avengersobssedo

The thing I personally like abt these patriotic super heroes are that they fight for their lands and their liberties just like in the book of Alma chapter 46 paragraph 12.

To me it's one of the most inspiring ambitions of all time.

blackbolt46
blackbolt46

I wish Steve Rogers would get his powers back and be young again. I stopped reading Cap for the first time in a very long time Marvel takes away Sam Wilson's identity as the Falcon and make him Captain America, why? I was hoping this was going to be short lived, but not so. Just bring back young super soldier Steve Rogers.

OXNARDM
OXNARDM

saw the "New Marvel" image, not impressed.  This was your chance to erase the Remender era and you wasted it. I am done with you Marvel, at least until Steve Rogers returns as Captain America.

tiffz
tiffz

cap and black widow need to be a couple !!!! who agrees 

edhaney
edhaney

I picked up a Captain America book last week to see where the comic was headed. I opened it and the page had a guy in his 40's or 50's talking about how the "Wilson Captain" isn't his Captain America. Now, I may be reading a bit in to this but, could this be perceived as a slight toward readers who don't like the direction the comic is currently moving.


Needless to say, I put the comic back on the shelf and moved along. I won't pick up another Captain America title until I see Rogers on the cover and back in uniform.

bone70
bone70

After thinking bout this for a while I think the only solution is this: A classic Universe where the characters that started the Marvel Universe have new stories, but stay as the people they are and the comics keep their numbering and never have volumes 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.  Thus, Cap is Steve Rogers.  You can put him through all kinds of challenges and trials, but only Steve could be Cap.  He may even quit being Cap for a while, but NO one else gets to take up the title.  Thor is Thor.  Others who are worthy may be able to use his hammer,  but ony the male Thor is Thor.  New characters could be introduced and encouraged, but not to replace old ones.  If a book has to be cancelled it is gone and not brought back a couple of months later with a new number 1 issue.  Think - Fantastic Four, Thor, Cap, Avengers,Hulk, Iron-Man, X-Men, Dr. Strange as core titles and maybe Strange Tales, Tales of Suspense and Tales to Astonish to star various other heroes.  I am probably forgetting some big heroes and even some of my favorites, but I am just so sick of every issue having to be world shaking and earth threatening and every year titles starting over and our favorite characters being screwed with.  And no heroes have 2, 3, 4 books a month and no dark versions of heroes. Save all that for the NEW Marvel, which is like NEW COKE.

bone70
bone70

Bring back Steve Rogers as Captain America!!  He is the only Cap. Sam is a good character and I like the Falcon.  He could probably carry his own book, but he is not Cap.  No one is but Steve.  Hope this ends soon.  This comes from some one who has every Tales of Suspense and Captain America for over 40 years.

OXNARDM
OXNARDM

Dear Marvel,

 First of all, thank you for the 45 years of comics. Secondly, thank you for giving me a defined ending point on which I can stop buying your books ( DC has done the same). There have been some truly wonderful runs in various book over the years as well as some real stinkers, but I cannot honestly remember a more disappointing run on a book than is currently in place on Captain America. 

 I find Remender's run to be the worst overall representation of this character ever. He is either ashamed of something  or just has absolutely no understanding of Captain America. While I agree that Sam Wilson is an underused character, I do not like him as Captain America. Steve Rogers is not a jingoistic tool of the government, he is the one who tells the government to shove it, again your writer does not get this, Steve is about right and wrong, not us and them

 Remender's narrow minded view of the character has caused me to stop buying this title as well as any title he is associated with. Not that you care, I am well outside of your desired demographic, as I will be 54 next month.I will be keeping an eye out for the return of Steve Rogers, as he is THE Captain America.

 As an addendum, I would like to point out that Steve Rogers' abilities as given to him thru the "Super Soldier Formula" are not something that can turned of or taken away. They are the result of genetic manipulation, not a magic potion as several of your writers have treated it over the years. I have understood for about 30 years, I realized it when the Weapon X story appeared in Marvel Comics Presents in 1988.

 Goodbye for now. I wish your current readers well, and i hope that you(Marvel) remembers who put you where you are and that the fans are more important than anything else, because without us, you are nothing.

 By the way, have you noticed that the guys making the Captain America movies have a better handle on the character than you do?

edhaney
edhaney

@OXNARDM 


I absolutely agree with your opinion. Bad story lines chased me away from comics before. As I said in another post, Cap brought me back. I stayed with the "Bucky as Cap" run because at least Bucky has a long history run as his sidekick and would be the natural successor. I haven't bought a Cap or associated book since Wilson.  

edhaney
edhaney

Did Sam Wilson serve in the military? I never paid that much attention to his backstory. If we are expected to follow the Captain America: Winter Soldier backstory then yes. I'm not sure about this comic version. They keep changing things.



OXNARDM
OXNARDM

@edhaney Third try, lets see if takes this time. Short answer, no he was not in the military. He has had several back stories. Social worker and street level criminal called "Snap" Wilson.

OXNARDM
OXNARDM

After this blending are we getting Steve Rogers back? Oh, could you, once and for all, put an end to the idea that the Super Soldier formula is something that can be shut off, instead of part of a process of genetic modification. 

blaksr
blaksr

Captain America is Steve Rogers.  Anything else doesn't measure up.

CaptainCleek
CaptainCleek

Can we please have Steve Rogers back as Captain America. Before accuses me of anything, I did not like John walker, I did not like Bucky Barnes and I do not like Sam Wilson as Captain America. The whole concept is just a lack of imagination. I really feel as though Marvels current editors and writers care very little for loyal fans and seek only shock and awe effect in there comics.


le281162
le281162

he is the best soldier ever thanks for all you did cap

phischmo
phischmo

When I came back to recovery in July of 2013, I wore my C.A. graphic T (the concentric circles w/wht. star center) every day - I had dozens of the same one. I was riding my racing bicycle to all my meetings, averaging 3, some days 4 or 5 meetings a day. I eventually wound up attending 250 meetings in my first 90 days. I acquired the moniker 'Captain America' in the RANA area of Narcotics Anonymous. Having that moniker became an honor and pushed me to do feats beyond my peers in the program. I started pushing myself, weightlifting, creatine, whey protein and averaging 150 to 200 miles a week on the bike. I became known as a man who, if he gave you his word - he would keep it, he would show up to any and all commitments. I became active in the political body of this 12 step program. I created and still actively support two(2) NA meetings in my hometown area: Saturday Night Live and 1st Step Forward at the local homeless shelter. To this day I am drug free and still work circles around the 20-somethings I work with at the restaurant, where I'm a manager - and I'm 58 years old! I've said all this to make the point that super heroes are not just the stuff of comics - they are the precognitive vision of any person who so chooses to believe and then become the embodiment of that vision! YOU can be a Captain America, if you so choose. Yes, I take a regimen of vitamins and push myself physically - its hard work some days and I do it alone and without recognition or thanks some days, but it is all in the realm of possibility if you so desire... You just have to believe and then find the will within yourself to do so. The recovery community's greatest gift to me was first intended as a sneering joke, a cast off slur, because I wore comic book graphic T's, but they had no idea what the moniker would make me - I was proud to be called Captain America and have lived up to the name. Thank you Marvel Comics for helping me catch a vision for my life through this great character!

dsorace
dsorace

Captain all the way!

OXNARDM
OXNARDM

Okay, I don't like Remender's run, no secret. That I find his handling of the character and his stated dislike ("joyless") of Steve a complete misunderstanding, obvious. The removal of the Super Soldier Serum from Steve, impossible, its not a magic spell or potion, its genetic manipulation used to create a specific result, a man-made mutant, if you prefer.                                                      

I have recently came to the realization that this whole thing, since the 1st issue of his run, is nothing more than a mental projection designed to torture and incapacitate him. This torture is not being carried out by Zola, it is being carried out by the Red Skull, using abilities he gained from Charles Xavier's brain. 

 So, whoever takes this tile over,hopefully soon, can easily erase the last 2 years of the horror show and get back to someone, who actually understands the character and does not view him as a jingoistic tool of the government.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

Mithras could certainly be a middle eastern super-hero fighting oppression and bringing order to the world. Whether he defends the order of imperialism imposed upon the planet by Rome or in today's world the USA would be up to Marvel. Whether Marvel's readers are ready to confront the imperialist nature of the USA's relationship with the rest of the planet and its use of its military might like Romans did two thousand years ago or not. Whereas Captain America was a super-hero for the height of American imperialism post-1945, Mithras could represent the new world, post-cold war in which globalization has become much more complex since 1991 and the collapse of the Soviet Union.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

This is how the USA with the EU are forming the new world order post-1991. A world that serves the needs of globalized capital at a cost to the peoples and natural environment. Capital needs to grow at a rate of 3.0% per year for ever, the planet cannot support exponential growth for ever. Captain America represented the US world order, which includes the developed capitalist states of Europe. This world view has been in crises since the late 1970's, that's why the capitalist elite needed to move from a Keynesian model of capitalism to the post-welfare model of a neo-liberal economy and neo-conservative state, supra-state and global governance. Mithras could become the super-hero taking on corporate capitalism and the elite of big business and defender of the people and nature.

JackDeBerry
JackDeBerry

love captain America he's one of my fave marvel Characters.

edhaney
edhaney

@JackDeBerry I prefer the Steve Rogers version over any other. Bucky Barnes is a distant 2nd but far ahead of any other character that portrayed or allegedly (story line) portrayed Captain America.