Wrong. When Cap "died" at the end of Cap 50 then showed up in MK Cap #1 the book was still in the MU at that point. I asked Stuart Moore about this when he had a board on Quesada's site. He said "We just let the readers draw their own conclusion on that one."
Writer's comment vs editor comment. Quesada stated that it was out-of-continuity.
Miken Ayers wrote:
ALSO the book was part of the MU at least for the first arc seeing as how his unmasking was referenced in Alias at the time. Alias although being a MAX book WAS part of the MU since the book had minor crossovers with Bendis' Daredevil run.
ALIAS was out of continuity due to content told in the comic. This is why no characters like Spider-Man was used and why Jessica was not Jessica Drew like Bendis wanted her to be. Once ALIAS changed banners from the MAX line to the Marvel Universe line and changed titles from ALIAS to PULSE, it was then part of continuity so Bendis could continue to tell his stories within the Marvel Universe and use other characters like Spider-Man, who was banned from the MAX line due to the character being so iconic.
SPIDER-WOMAN: ORIGIN is out of continuity because it conflicts with the previous established continuity of other characters. However, now that Bendis is continuing to use his history from that limited series in his current SPIDER-WOMAN ongoing... it creates yet another continuity mess.
DAREDEVIL under the Marvel Knights banner started out as out of continuity because this was the only way that Quesada (then editor of the Marvel Knights brand, which had nothing to do with the Marvel Universe line) was able to bring creators to the Marvel Knights line and work for Marvel, but at the sametime NOT work for Marvel. Later it became part of the Marvel Universe.
Jim Shooter had the same situation when he started the EPIC line of comics. Getting creators to work for Archie Goodwin that refused to work with Shooter due to his age, but in reality even though Goodwin was their boss, they worked for Shooter and Marvel.
Wrong. When Cap "died" at the end of Cap 50 then showed up in MK Cap #1 the book was still in the MU at that point. I asked Stuart Moore about this when he had a board on Quesada's site. He said "We just let the readers draw their own conclusion on that one."
Writer's comment vs editor comment. Quesada stated that it was out-of-continuity.
Miken Ayers wrote:
ALSO the book was part of the MU at least for the first arc seeing as how his unmasking was referenced in Alias at the time. Alias although being a MAX book WAS part of the MU since the book had minor crossovers with Bendis' Daredevil run.
ALIAS was out of continuity due to content told in the comic. This is why no characters like Spider-Man was used and why Jessica was not Jessica Drew like Bendis wanted her to be. Once ALIAS changed banners from the MAX line to the Marvel Universe line and changed titles from ALIAS to PULSE, it was then part of continuity so Bendis could continue to tell his stories within the Marvel Universe and use other characters like Spider-Man, who was banned from the MAX line due to the character being so iconic.
SPIDER-WOMAN: ORIGIN is out of continuity because it conflicts with the previous established continuity of other characters. However, now that Bendis is continuing to use his history from that limited series in his current SPIDER-WOMAN ongoing... it creates yet another continuity mess.
DAREDEVIL under the Marvel Knights banner started out as out of continuity because this was the only way that Quesada (then editor of the Marvel Knights brand, which had nothing to do with the Marvel Universe line) was able to bring creators to the Marvel Knights line and work for Marvel, but at the sametime NOT work for Marvel. Later it became part of the Marvel Universe.
Jim Shooter had the same situation when he started the EPIC line of comics. Getting creators to work for Archie Goodwin that refused to work with Shooter due to his age, but in reality even though Goodwin was their boss, they worked for Shooter and Marvel.
Now you're just making stuff up I'm done with you.
Nova#1 Herald Joined: 03.27.2007 Posts: 9870
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DragynWulf wrote:
Nova#1 wrote:
For Spider-Man himself. Also, 21 years would've been a ridiculous time to have it around...and a ridiculous suggestion. Even if it was sarcastic and rude.
In no way was mentioning 21 years of Peter being unmasked rude or sarcastic. It was a question using same amount of years of a status quo that lasted 21 years.
And was I asking for a huge amount of time? That is why, to me, it came off as a sarcastic and rude comment...even if it wasn't meant to be. But I still would've liked to have of seen the unmasking be explored for more then one story arc.
They really went to the extremes with that arc. I think they did so since they were going to go back on it anyway. _________________ Scarlet Spider - "Say my name!" Spider-Man - "Okay...help me Scarlet Spider! You're my only hope." ~Spider-Man:The Clone Saga #2~
DragynWulf Herald Joined: 08.25.2006 Posts: 1985
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Miken Ayers wrote:
DragynWulf wrote:
Miken Ayers wrote:
Wrong. When Cap "died" at the end of Cap 50 then showed up in MK Cap #1 the book was still in the MU at that point. I asked Stuart Moore about this when he had a board on Quesada's site. He said "We just let the readers draw their own conclusion on that one."
Writer's comment vs editor comment. Quesada stated that it was out-of-continuity.
Miken Ayers wrote:
ALSO the book was part of the MU at least for the first arc seeing as how his unmasking was referenced in Alias at the time. Alias although being a MAX book WAS part of the MU since the book had minor crossovers with Bendis' Daredevil run.
ALIAS was out of continuity due to content told in the comic. This is why no characters like Spider-Man was used and why Jessica was not Jessica Drew like Bendis wanted her to be. Once ALIAS changed banners from the MAX line to the Marvel Universe line and changed titles from ALIAS to PULSE, it was then part of continuity so Bendis could continue to tell his stories within the Marvel Universe and use other characters like Spider-Man, who was banned from the MAX line due to the character being so iconic.
SPIDER-WOMAN: ORIGIN is out of continuity because it conflicts with the previous established continuity of other characters. However, now that Bendis is continuing to use his history from that limited series in his current SPIDER-WOMAN ongoing... it creates yet another continuity mess.
DAREDEVIL under the Marvel Knights banner started out as out of continuity because this was the only way that Quesada (then editor of the Marvel Knights brand, which had nothing to do with the Marvel Universe line) was able to bring creators to the Marvel Knights line and work for Marvel, but at the sametime NOT work for Marvel. Later it became part of the Marvel Universe.
Jim Shooter had the same situation when he started the EPIC line of comics. Getting creators to work for Archie Goodwin that refused to work with Shooter due to his age, but in reality even though Goodwin was their boss, they worked for Shooter and Marvel.
Now you're just making stuff up I'm done with you.
Nothing is being made up. Everything I mentioned is the truth.
Wrong. When Cap "died" at the end of Cap 50 then showed up in MK Cap #1 the book was still in the MU at that point. I asked Stuart Moore about this when he had a board on Quesada's site. He said "We just let the readers draw their own conclusion on that one."
Writer's comment vs editor comment. Quesada stated that it was out-of-continuity.
Miken Ayers wrote:
ALSO the book was part of the MU at least for the first arc seeing as how his unmasking was referenced in Alias at the time. Alias although being a MAX book WAS part of the MU since the book had minor crossovers with Bendis' Daredevil run.
ALIAS was out of continuity due to content told in the comic. This is why no characters like Spider-Man was used and why Jessica was not Jessica Drew like Bendis wanted her to be. Once ALIAS changed banners from the MAX line to the Marvel Universe line and changed titles from ALIAS to PULSE, it was then part of continuity so Bendis could continue to tell his stories within the Marvel Universe and use other characters like Spider-Man, who was banned from the MAX line due to the character being so iconic.
SPIDER-WOMAN: ORIGIN is out of continuity because it conflicts with the previous established continuity of other characters. However, now that Bendis is continuing to use his history from that limited series in his current SPIDER-WOMAN ongoing... it creates yet another continuity mess.
DAREDEVIL under the Marvel Knights banner started out as out of continuity because this was the only way that Quesada (then editor of the Marvel Knights brand, which had nothing to do with the Marvel Universe line) was able to bring creators to the Marvel Knights line and work for Marvel, but at the sametime NOT work for Marvel. Later it became part of the Marvel Universe.
Jim Shooter had the same situation when he started the EPIC line of comics. Getting creators to work for Archie Goodwin that refused to work with Shooter due to his age, but in reality even though Goodwin was their boss, they worked for Shooter and Marvel.
Now you're just making stuff up I'm done with you.
Nothing is being made up. Everything I mentioned is the truth.
Nope.
JJEF3 sidekick Joined: 08.25.2006 Posts: 172
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Miken you seem to have access to the writer at Marvel, are you working in the buisness? If it's too personnal just don't answer.
DragynWulf wrote:
Which has always been my point that you can't believe everything you read in interviews as they are generally used for hype. Which doesn't mean that interviews are bad at all because they have a purpose, which is to keep readers interested in future issues/stories.
You have to be careful how the interview comes out because if it's badly done it will drive poeple away or upset them. And if the one being interviewed do that too many times poeples will just walk away because they won't feel respected.
Nova#1 Herald Joined: 03.27.2007 Posts: 9870
Posted: 11.08.2009 5:03am
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DragynWulf wrote:
Which has always been my point that you can't believe everything you read in interviews as they are generally used for hype. Which doesn't mean that interviews are bad at all because they have a purpose, which is to keep readers interested in future issues/stories.
Very true. _________________ Scarlet Spider - "Say my name!" Spider-Man - "Okay...help me Scarlet Spider! You're my only hope." ~Spider-Man:The Clone Saga #2~
Miken you seem to have access to the writer at Marvel, are you working in the buisness? If it's too personnal just don't answer.
DragynWulf wrote:
Which has always been my point that you can't believe everything you read in interviews as they are generally used for hype. Which doesn't mean that interviews are bad at all because they have a purpose, which is to keep readers interested in future issues/stories.
You have to be careful how the interview comes out because if it's badly done it will drive poeple away or upset them. And if the one being interviewed do that too many times poeples will just walk away because they won't feel respected.
No, it's not like that at all. I'm by no means an insider. I spoke to Joe Quesada on several occasions when he had a message board up to two years ago. Stuart Moore who was MK editor at the time had a forum there too, and I asked him about when the events between Cap # 50 and MK Cap # 1 would be resolved.
The arguments I got in to with Dan Slott were when for the lulz I spoiled New Ways To Die on several message boards. I of course used spoiler tags and such, but other people were copying and pasting my spoils then he confronted me on Super Hero Hype over it. We had a bit of a back and forth and eventually came to some sort of understanding. I don't exactly know what it is or how, but I think at the same point the two of us said what we had to and were just taking shots at eachother for the sake of doing so.
ALIAS was out of continuity due to content told in the comic. This is why no characters like Spider-Man was used and why Jessica was not Jessica Drew like Bendis wanted her to be. Once ALIAS changed banners from the MAX line to the Marvel Universe line and changed titles from ALIAS to PULSE, it was then part of continuity so Bendis could continue to tell his stories within the Marvel Universe and use other characters like Spider-Man, who was banned from the MAX line due to the character being so iconic.
That's not actually true. ALIAS was always incontinuity there was just a moritorium on MArvel's largest (widest appealing) characters appearing in such an adult book. Bendis had to choose between adult themes or mainstream MArvel U when he made the switch to Pulse, but that hasn't stopped events from ALIAS from being referenced in his later works. Plus it did tie in to his work on Daredevil, albiet it only slightly.
DragynWulf wrote:
SPIDER-WOMAN: ORIGIN is out of continuity because it conflicts with the previous continuing to use his history from that limited series in his current SPIDER-WOMAN ongoing... it creates yet another continuity mess.
this mini was never out of continuity, it did go against everything we knew about Spider-woman, but when it was coming out Bendis even put in the back of the New Avengers lettercol to look for his definitive telling of Spider-woman's origin. It was presented more like "the truth you weren't allowed to know" like Sentry or the Blue Marvel.
And Bendis has been using that origin story for ever. It was referenced in
the New Avengers several times, her conflict with madame hydra in issues 11-13, and her Civil War solo issue NA 23.
DragynWulf Herald Joined: 08.25.2006 Posts: 1985
Posted: 11.08.2009 10:29pm
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DragynWulf wrote:
ALIAS was out of continuity due to content told in the comic. This is why no characters like Spider-Man was used and why Jessica was not Jessica Drew like Bendis wanted her to be. Once ALIAS changed banners from the MAX line to the Marvel Universe line and changed titles from ALIAS to PULSE, it was then part of continuity so Bendis could continue to tell his stories within the Marvel Universe and use other characters like Spider-Man, who was banned from the MAX line due to the character being so iconic.
Space-Rhinoceros wrote:
That's not actually true. ALIAS was always incontinuity there was just a moritorium on MArvel's largest (widest appealing) characters appearing in such an adult book. Bendis had to choose between adult themes or mainstream MArvel U when he made the switch to Pulse, but that hasn't stopped events from ALIAS from being referenced in his later works. Plus it did tie in to his work on Daredevil, albiet it only slightly.
It is completely true. You have to understand the Marvel Knights banner when it first started, how it worked, the MAX banner and what is and is not part of the Marvel Universe.
Like how the PUNISHER MAX title was originally within continuity, but then out of continuity once they showed Microchip in it because he was dead in the Marvel Universe.
This comes from those that work at Marvel.
DragynWulf wrote:
SPIDER-WOMAN: ORIGIN is out of continuity because it conflicts with the previous continuing to use his history from that limited series in his current SPIDER-WOMAN ongoing... it creates yet another continuity mess.
Space-Rhinoceros wrote:
this mini was never out of continuity, it did go against everything we knew about Spider-woman, but when it was coming out Bendis even put in the back of the New Avengers lettercol to look for his definitive telling of Spider-woman's origin. It was presented more like "the truth you weren't allowed to know" like Sentry or the Blue Marvel.
It was always out-of-continuity for the simple fact that he didn't use pre-exisiting established history of the characters, but wrote his own instead. Which your words I placed in bold points out. What he did was re-write history the way he wanted to tell it, but in doing so, it causes the story to be out-of-continuity because it doesn't match up with other characters continuity as well as Spider-Woman's. If he explained things as to why they were different, then it might be in-continuity. Notice the Spider-Woman, Taskmaster, and other profiles of characters shown in that limited series don't mention it. Why? Because it is out-of-continuity. If it was in, then the profiles would have mentioned it. This comes from those that work at Marvel. Not my opinion what so ever.
BLUE MARVEL is out-of-continuity because Gyrich is in it and could not be as young as he today, he'd be much older.
Space-Rhinoceros wrote:
And Bendis has been using that origin story for ever. It was referenced in
the New Avengers several times, her conflict with madame hydra in issues 11-13, and her Civil War solo issue NA 23.
Nearly 90% of the appearance of Spider-Woman used by Bendis is NOT Spider-Woman, but a Skrull taking her place. Which includes the issues you've pointed out. That is the reason why the ongoing series took so long to publish, because Marvel decided not to publish the ongoing knowing that Spider-Woman in the current comics was a fake and the real one was a prisoner on a Skrull ship. Marvel knew this, but the readers would not until it was revealed in SECRET INVASION, which would have conflicted with the stories being told in the ongoing series.
The Handbook team deals with continuity with every profile written. We work with editorial when things do not add up to how they should be and/or some more information is needed to make things clear. That alone should tell you where I get my information from.
