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If They Be Worthy: 5 Replacement Thors

Before the all-new Thor makes her big debut, get to know these hammer wielders past!

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Spinning out of the cataclysmic events of ORIGINAL SIN, Thor will be deemed unworthy to lift his prized hammer Mjolnir. With access to his full powers cut off, the Asgardian will be Thor no more—and a new hero will take his place! In THOR #1 by Jason Aaron and Russell Dauterman, readers will be introduced to an all-new Thor, one worthy to lift the hammer and claim the title for herself!

But this mystery woman won't be the first person to make a grab for Thor's hammer. In fact, she'll be the latest in a long line of substitute Thors! Here's a list of five such characters to get you up to speed on the Thors that came before.

1. Beta Ray Bill

Who says you have to be of Midgard to be worthy? As one of the last members of the alien race called the Korbinites, Beta Ray Bill underwent genetic engineering in order to become the survivors' primary protector. Bill came into conflict with Thor when the sentient Korbinite ship Skutlebutt passed through Earth's solar system. The vessel mistakenly presumed Thor to be a hostile alien and pulled Bill out of suspended animation to combat the Asgardian. Things took a surprising turn when Beta Ray Bill successfully lifted Mjolnir, thus proving his purity of heart and strength of character.

2. Eric Masterson

Human architect Eric Masterson originally served as a friend of Thor's alter ego Sigurd Jarlson. The two became more than friends when Odin placed Thor's essence in Masterson's mind in order to keep the architect alive. The two remained merged for a stretch of time until Thor became unworthy of his powers and had himself banished from Asgard. The God of Thunder's powers, and his hammer, then went to Masterson—the (then) all-new Thor!

3. Roger Norvell

Documentary filmmaker Roger "Red" Norvell traveled to Asgard along with his crew and left with a lot more than just great footage. While there, Norvell fell in love with Sif and had Thor's Iron Gauntlets and Belt of Strength bestowed upon him by Loki. Norvell then bested Thor in combat, thus becoming Asgard's new protector. Norvell remained unaware that Odin had set those events in motion to create a replacement Thor, one that he could sacrifice in the upcoming Ragnarok.

4. Thor Girl

Following in Beta Ray Bill's footsteps, the cosmic entity called Tarene became an ally to the God of Thunder by transforming herself into an Asgardian goddess. Using the name Thor Girl, Tarene used her Thor-like powers to battle such heavy hitters as Gladiator and Surtur. Following the super hero civil war, she increased her profile following by signing up for the Initiative. Her current whereabouts, however, remain unknown.

5. Ragnarok

This cyborg clone of Thor caused trouble for Captain America's resistance force during the super hero Civil War and went on to serve as one of Norman Osborn's Dark Avengers. But while the quasi-Asgardian may possess most of Thor's powers, he does not possess an enchanted hammer. Ragnarok's weapon of choice can be lifted by anyone, not just the worthy, although it's pretty heavy thanks to its vibranium/adamantium constitution.

Mjolnir gets a new master this October in THOR #1!

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Sarosios
Sarosios

This is the most ridiculous move Marvel has ever made.  Thor is Thor, not some bimbo sent in to get more

female viewers.  Make up a new character for pete's sake.  I'm sure I'm not the only one to say this, but changing

Thor to pander to an alternative audience and be politically correct just cost Marvel a 30+ year customer.  

meadfam
meadfam

Sorry Marvel, Your comment is so no good. I was never thrilled about your replacements for thor but bared with it knowing Thor would be back. B.R.B was worthy to hold the hammer but he never became Thor. Eric was another human vessel that Thor was joined with until he could find his way whole again. The same with Jake. Red was bestowed with power to replace Thor not to be the same god. He was another one of odin's plans. Thor girl was ok but we know what her future was. The clone, not worth mentioning.

milesmoralez
milesmoralez

lmao are people still pressed about this like 1.) thor god of thunder is a fantastic book this is going to be written by the same author so obviously it's going to be equally awesome 2.) odinson isn't getting killed off, and this is going to be a really interesting story arc for him (metal arm??? cool beard????? like come on this is gonna rock) and 3.) if thor doesn't care that a girl is taking over his god mantle for a while neither should you.

wsouth
wsouth

***Spoilers***

I'm enjoying Aarons run on Thor and looking forward to what happens to Thor. For me its about what Thor does after he becomes unworthy, not whoever wields the hammer in the interim.  I was really hoping they were going to use the story from Uncanny Avengers. Thor kills s Celestial to save earth. The Celestials have sort of non aggression pack with Asgard. You stay away from us and we say away from you. Odin had warned Thor that whatever faith Exitar the Executioner (Celestial) had in store for earth, they deserved. Thor disagreed obviously. I could see the Celestials demanding Odin do something about Exitar's death and Odin deeming Thor unworthy.

But it looks like they are going with whatever Furry whispered to Thor which doesn't make sense because wouldn't that mean he is already unworthy. Anyway, can't wait to find out.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

h****-sapiens are a species or group as opposed to being of another species or group of mammals, what is the problem with this word, for g**'s sake!

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

Marvel didn't steal the name, they based a superhero on the mythology. As such Thor and the Asgardians and their enemies are based in Norse mythology. Shapeshifting has a bases in Norse mythology and can therefore legitimately be incorporated in the storyline of the characters. Turning Thor into a female is wrong, it won't gel with the mythology or the fans of Marvel's Thor. I'm sorry but this is a mistake, no doubt Marvel are committed to this change and I'm sure will suffer the consequences in sales and readers until the make the decision to change Thor back to the god of thunder. My advice for what it's worth is make it as quick as possible, to minimize the damage to Marvel and reduce the amount of alienated fans.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

referring to humanity or human as in we are h****-sapiens as a species

rj155500
rj155500 member

See I saw somebody say this earlier.  Its not that big of a deal.  Its going to be fine, and its only temporary.  We all know that.  www.marvelfanforums.com 

snakeyreef
snakeyreef

i don't know what everyones problem is with this. they aren't killing Thor, he gets to be king of the ten realms. it's just someone else wielding the Hammer, and Thor's her title because thats whats inscribed on the hammer, if the hammer read 'the power of mjolnir', that would be her title.


besides, Marvel's gone so far off track when it comes to Norse mythology, the only claim to the mythology they can make is that they stole the names.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

''Thor would be able to strike as firmly as 'HE' wanted, whatever 'HIS' aim, and the hammer would never fail, and if 'HE' threw it at something, it would never miss and never fly so far from 'HIS' hand that it would not find its way back, and when 'HE' wanted, it would be so small that it could be carried inside 'HIS' tunic.''

(Prose Edda)

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

Female Thor

''We believe there’s an audience of women out there who are hungry for this and we want to make sure they get it. This is affirmative action. This is capitalism.'' (Axel Alonso, Marvel’s editor-in-chief)

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

Thor is the god of the common people, to be worthy of his hammer Mjölnir. He and his wife Sif as god of the sky and goddess of the earth are guardians of the mankind and nature. This is why Thor is the favourite god of the common people and they wear Thor’s hammers around their necks.

wsouth
wsouth

@WolfieSmith I am willing to bet just the opposite. That sales are better. I'm going to bookmark this page and post the sales numbers. I can tell by your post that your don't even read the current Thor comic book. You are putting zero dollars in Marvel's pockets and you are threatening to not buy a comic that you are already NOT buying. Are you from planet stupid.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

he or his isn't neutral, the term ''mankind'' or ''man'' can be neutral



wsouth
wsouth

@WolfieSmith well then. Someone wrote something down thousands of years. I guess that means we can't change it. Bring out the leaches!!!

allanhowls
allanhowls member

@WolfieSmith You reference literature from ages ago, when "male" = "neutral". That just isn't so anymore. Not to mention that we're talking about a fictional character based on a fictional/mythological character.

lilmissjanuary
lilmissjanuary

@WolfieSmith I am a woman in the "audience", and I think this idea is bogus. But who knows, maybe it will be good. I doubt it (severely), but I have been wrong before. I'll try out the first issue. And you'd best believe, if it sucks, people are gonna know it.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

Thor for grownups will defend the ordinary people against the elite. Along with his wife Sif they would defend the world against those who would destroy nature and harm humanity. In the modern world this could be integrated as taking on multinational corporations and international finance capital.

snakeyreef
snakeyreef

@wsouth @WolfieSmith
totally agree with you wsouth. i think wolfiesmith is just commenting so he can sell books on amazon. lol

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

@wsouth, Ok we don't take what was written thousands of years ago as gospel. But just as we don't mess about with Yeshua (Jesus) or Jehovah, these are male figures like Thor and Odin from history and mythology. If we wanted a female heroine we would look to the gospels Mary Magdalene, Yeshua's lover. If we want to develop a female super- heroine from Norse mythology then Sif is the logical figure. Would marvel create a female Yeshua? Please don't bring out the leaches or a stake!

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

The top 10% consumes 60% of the worlds output whilst the bottom 10% gets a mere 0.5% of the worlds output and the bottom 50% only consumes 7% of the output produced by the global economy according to World Bank figures from 2008. The gap between the elite and the common people is growing wider.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

@wsouth, it will be interesting to see how sales progress over six months, once the initial novelty/interest dies down. I don't read the comics, it's true. I did when I was younger, I've come back to Marvel in the films and have the book on Thor from the movie, plus a Marvel T-shirt and could have been tempted to buy a comic to because I used to buy them. I had the very first Thor comic back in the 1960's and bought every copy for two years. Sadly I've not got them now, would have been something if I'd kept them fifty years.

@snakeyreef, I wish I'd got shares in amazon, maybe not as they don't pay any tax in Britain, don't know if they avoid taxes in the USA. I Marval would like to donate some books to Oxfam, that would be great, then like Thor the god of the people they would be worthy of Mjölnir!

allanhowls
allanhowls member

@WolfieSmith I think a reimagining of the messianic saga with a female Christ would be very enlightening, and more than a little useful.  Again...fictional characters.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

A Thor for adults worthy of Mjölnir would be tackling the imperialist nature of globalization and corporate capitalism. This should be the developing theme of Thor in the movies played by Chris Hemsworth. Loki represents the dark side as the wily trickster with a complete lack of concern for the well-being of the other gods, humanity or nature.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

@allanhowls, I would disagree. Yeshua is a male, that I think we can take as a historical fact. It would certainly be enlightening to pursue the character of Mary Magdalene, Yeshua's lover. I don't see how pretending Yeshua (Jesus) was a female serves any purpose anymore than I do turning the mythology of the Æsir on its head. Would you turn Odin and Jehovah into female characters? We know that Loki can take the form of a female, I don't know if Lucifer has done the same in Christian mythology. Lucifer must be a shape-shifter like Loki as he has been s serpent in Genesis 3:1and a Dragon in Revelation 12:9 and 20:2.

The Ásatrú and Christian faiths are part of European and Scandinavian cultural history. I think they deserve our respect, even if modern science would appear to disprove much of what these belief systems hold to be true. It's rather interesting when comparing the cosmology of myths with that of astrophysicist to find that Alexander Friedmann's theory of the Big Bang and the ideas of Norse and Christian mythology both see a beginning and end to our universe.

In Friedmann's theory the end of the universe can end in either the Big Crunch or the Big Freeze dependant on the critical mass after the Big Bang. Norse mythology predicts that after Ragnarök the Earth will rise again and the gods will return. Ask and Embla were the first humans and when the gods return they will create Lif and Lifthrasir. If the universe collapses as in the Big Crunch then the hypothesise is that after it has imploded there will be another Big Bang and a new universe and this process would repeat time and time again.

With the Big Freeze our universe ends as the temperature of matter in the universe freezes to Absolute Zero, at which point time itself ceases to exist. This could be interpretated as corresponding to the Christian mythology of Revelations when the world ends. My personal view is that the Friedmann universe in which the universe collapses resulting in another Big Bang is more probable as this gives an explanation for the beginning of our universe resulting from the end of a previous universe.

Whether of continuous cycles the critical mass drops and eventually a universe will eventually end in the Big Freeze we will never know. Where in this cycle our universe exists who knows. Back to the mythologies of the Ásatrú and Christian faiths, they are part of our history and culture. I think they deserve our respect and whilst it's OK for books, films etc. to interpret them anew to suit the cultural understanding of humanity at any given time. For me this involves a level of respect for those who follow those belief systems and to our cultural heritage.

I feel that the Marvel films have done this and I'm sure they will lead to renewed interest and a wider fan base for the Marvel universe. I'm sure they will also lead as the Marvel comics did with myself and I'm sure many others an interest in Norse mythology. This opened my mind to not just the Christian faith of modern Europe and the Greek and Roman myths we were taught at school but to our pre-Roman and pre-Christian heritage. Marvel can take credit for this and I will always think Marvel better than DC comics.

Maybe the Marvel universe will find a way to use modern cosmology and possibly Jane Foster research show how Einstein's or Quantum theory solves the contradiction between the Thor of our universe with a female ''Thor'' of anti-matter which becomes unstable in our world. This could be a way of Marvel having its cake and eat it with our male Thor and an alternative female ''Thor'' form an alternate universe.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

Loki will help either gods or giants, depending on which action is most advantageous to himself at a given time. At the time of Ragnarok, the ultimate struggle when the cosmos is destroyed Loki sides with the giants against the gods. This could be seen in global terms like our capitalist elite who side with monopoly finance capital against the best interests of humanity and the Earth.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

Alexander Friedmann was a Soviet astrophysicist and director of the Main Geophysical Observatory in Leningrad, who develop models that explained the development of the universe. His solutions to Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity in 1922 provided evidence of an ''expanding universe'', and underpinnings Big Bang theory supported by Edwin Hubble's observations in 1929.

Here's the science

http://hrsbstaff.ednet.ns.ca/jenninj2/Physics%2011/2012-3/Projects/Cosmology/Alan%20Friedmann%20and%20the%20Origins%20of%20Modern%20Cosmology.pdf

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

Thor is worthy of Mjölnir because he defends the common people and our natural environment against the multinational corporations and monopoly finance capital which seeks to exploit mankind and nature for the sake of its own gratification and wealth accumulation. Only he who defends the wellbeing of mankind and nature is worthy of the hammer Mjölnir!

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

Did I say that when the Prose Edda refers to Thor''as he wanted, whatever his aim, ...and if he threw it ..and never fly so far from his hand .., and when he wanted, it would be so small that it could be carried inside his tunic.'' Isn't neutral as you argue, the term ''mankind'' or ''man'' can be neutral, referring to humanity or human as in we are h****-sapiens as a species or group as opposed to being of another species or group within the mammals. It's true that the Marvel Thor and Asgardian characters don't stick literally to the mythology of the Prose Edda or Elder Edda. There are differences between these as well as Norse mythology was transmitted by way of the spoken word, and anomalies or contradictions did occur over the telling of the myths. This can arguably allow for some leeway which the Marvel character can use.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

Has S.H.I.E.L.D. intelligence agency been infiltrated by Hydra or has Hydra and S.H.I.E.L.D. always been controlled by a political and economic nexus of global capitalist elite like the IMF, WTO, World Bank, NATO, CIA combining the political, financial and security forces of global governance

Do they represent the needs of humanity, can they protect the biosphere from further ecological disruption, climate change. Can S.H.I.E.L.D. counter the class power of monopoly finance-capital, over accumulation of wealth concentrated in the hands of the top 10%.

If S.H.I.E.L.D. has been infiltrated by Hydra, is this the origins of the neo-liberal economic project and neo-conservative state which emerged with Reagan in the 1980's and Thatcher's Britain in 1979. Was Loki behind the Prussian noble Wolfgang von Strucker. Hitler and Fascist German was obsessed with the occult, and Loki could be behind the death squads in Chile El Salvador and US support for right-wing dictatorships.  

If so then it's up to Odin to call a Councils of Gods and send Thor, Sif, Fandral, Hogun to lead the fightback for a humanitarian system and democratic control over the power of politicians, bankers and the monopoly power they have over humanity and our planet. This may not be Ragnarök, but the battle to save Earth from Loki and Hydrawill need a man worthy of the hammer Mjölnir.



WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

To save Earth from Loki and Hydra will need a god worthy of the hammer Mjölnir.

WolfieSmith
WolfieSmith

Most of the government expenditure in the USA goes on the military, not on education, health, housing or spending that benefits the needs of society as a whole. State spending that meets the imperatives set by the ruling capitalist elite. This is the universe of monopoly capitalism which suggests S.H.I.E.L.D. is controlled by Hydra and Loki.