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:747e4a0d52="BlackSamurai"]:747e4a0d52="bds197485"]Hey Samurai. What do you think about The Sentry being Norman's secret weapon and yet supposed to be a good guy. And what about the last page of Siege 3; exposing the Sentry for whomever it is he will be. I'd like to read your opinion.[/quote:747e4a0d52]I hope you don't mind I reworded/cleaned up your question some, I meant only to put it up as what I think you mean to ask so you can let me know if I am answering what you actually mean to ask.What I think is that I have no reason to mind Sentry being Osborn's weapon per se, my only thought is that it wasn't really much of a secret. To me it was logical that if he has a person as a lapdog capable of all the feats Sentry showed to have been, that he'd take him to a boardroom meeting to keep the few beings in check that he already knew were more powerful and habitual double-crossers. It's also logical to me that the more sinister side of Sentry would be more suited to Osborn's darker tasks, so having a rise or combination of the Void persona also makes sense. The only hurdle was plausibly giving us a reason Void would follow Osborn's commands, and though it was thin I can accept that Void liked the aspect of being more discretionary between chances to cut loose especially if it gave him inclusion in the Sentry form, unlike when they were a split being.To me, if it turns out to be something to be taken at face value, all I would say is that Bendis could have done more. Void as a surprise was made less effective the day Emma Frost got infected by a sliver, so I don't think it should have been left to be the big reveal so much later. I hope there turns out to be even more that we still couldn't have known yet in SIEGE #4. (EDIT: I even think events changed over time and with needing material for other comics that resulted in some of what was supposed to be surprising with the Void/Sentry unison not being as impactful, so I'm not in anyway faulting Bendis outright for the Void thing not thrilling us - but in light of how things changed over years of stories, I think the events around Sentry/Void/whoever could have and should be tweaked to give us something more satisfactory)It should have been a thing to reveal then, that he was what he scared the participants of the first Cabal meeting with, or it should have been a reveal to come out as shock soon after people started questioning why Sentry was being more ruthless. Delivering a big payoff would be more HOW Osborn pulled off making Sentry act so different instead, not that the Void was simply back and asserting more influence, if not, near completely in control. I mentioned a lot about the Sentry being brought under Osborn's control by way of his symbiont research, introduced by the serum or otherwise, but it doesn't even have to be so straight forward. The dealings with the Beyonder and a revisiting of what ever became of the Infinity Gems from the Illuminati stories could be brought full circle. Why not reveal that Osborn found a way, or convinced Sentry of the need, to contain the Beyonder? He's not as nigh-omnipotent anymore, but is still ridiculously powerful by MU standards, so obviously it would fit that it would tax Sentry eventually and can be accepted that it drove them ultimately to this destructive level.NOTE that I do not think it is the Beyonder, I was just giving an example of how to still pull a surprise out of something that was built up in Marvel advertising to have supposed to have taken us by surprise when revealed. Plus I was on another thread musing on the thought by another that Sentry cannot be redeemed after all of this, but I already think he is excusable by Marvel heroes' tendencies to dismiss the most despicable acts under the reasoning of the person was mentally unstable, then exploited and is now getting help.[/quote:747e4a0d52] Thanks Sam. You're very good at analyzing people's questions.

As for some saying the sentry is not redeemable, Marvel already gave an out if he they keep him or he returns...THE VOID MADE ME DO IT! IT'S THE VOID'S FAULT!Therefore Sentry can be redeemed since he really didn't do it...MY EVIL TWIN (THE VOID) DID IT As a side note, if the Sentry survives (I don't believe he will though), they got to give him some more rogues in his rogue gallery than just the Void. A hero is only good as the villains he faces and he only has one so far.

So Far, There are no real surprises to Siege. Norman fell (predicted by all) and went off his rocker (another prediction by consensus). Siege is just a straightforward action film, no suprprises. It's not bad. Just that Bendis teased a real major surprise and it turned out it wasn't.The Void is not a surprise when you see Sentry come back in black knocking out a warskrull; not a surprise when you see Emma infected by sliver of the void. So it's a disappointment. I am trying to have no expectaion of any big surprise for #4 Siege. If I do, I'll be more disappionted and would lessen my enjoyment of the miniseries so far.The only surprise could be like Secret Invasion where Osborn meets with Cabal at the end. I think that's a possibility to have an ending like that.The only other question is who will coup de grace on Void/Sentry. My bet it's going to be Thor with some tactical advice by CAp and Iron Man. I am starting to see a common thread to all big marvel events. Big Hype. Good execution of the action at least for the first few issues. Not too many surprises (if any). And a sort of falls flat in the end (mild diasppointment). Civil War; Secret Invasion, WWH, and now Siege. DC's Blackest Night I think delivered much more their hype than Siege did. But DC has been spotty. Final Crisis was one of those either love or hate it (admittedly I was more on the latter as I felt it put too many layer and needed a few more issues to lay it out properly). 52 was great. Countdown not so great. Like i said up and down with DC, but Blacket Night in my IMHO delivered.

:0456916b25="bds197485"]Hey Samurai. What do you think about The Sentry being Norman's secret weapon and yet supposed to be a good guy. And what about the last page of Siege 3; exposing the Sentry for whomever it is he will be. I'd like to read your opinion.[/quote:0456916b25]I hope you don't mind I reworded/cleaned up your question some, I meant only to put it up as what I think you mean to ask so you can let me know if I am answering what you actually mean to ask.What I think is that I have no reason to mind Sentry being Osborn's weapon per se, my only thought is that it wasn't really much of a secret. To me it was logical that if he has a person as a lapdog capable of all the feats Sentry showed to have been, that he'd take him to a boardroom meeting to keep the few beings in check that he already knew were more powerful and habitual double-crossers. It's also logical to me that the more sinister side of Sentry would be more suited to Osborn's darker tasks, so having a rise or combination of the Void persona also makes sense. The only hurdle was plausibly giving us a reason Void would follow Osborn's commands, and though it was thin I can accept that Void liked the aspect of being more discretionary between chances to cut loose especially if it gave him inclusion in the Sentry form, unlike when they were a split being.To me, if it turns out to be something to be taken at face value, all I would say is that Bendis could have done more. Void as a surprise was made less effective the day Emma Frost got infected by a sliver, so I don't think it should have been left to be the big reveal so much later. I hope there turns out to be even more that we still couldn't have known yet in SIEGE #4. (EDIT: I even think events changed over time and with needing material for other comics that resulted in some of what was supposed to be surprising with the Void/Sentry unison not being as impactful, so I'm not in anyway faulting Bendis outright for the Void thing not thrilling us - but in light of how things changed over years of stories, I think the events around Sentry/Void/whoever could have and should be tweaked to give us something more satisfactory)It should have been a thing to reveal then, that he was what he scared the participants of the first Cabal meeting with, or it should have been a reveal to come out as shock soon after people started questioning why Sentry was being more ruthless. Delivering a big payoff would be more HOW Osborn pulled off making Sentry act so different instead, not that the Void was simply back and asserting more influence, if not, near completely in control. I mentioned a lot about the Sentry being brought under Osborn's control by way of his symbiont research, introduced by the serum or otherwise, but it doesn't even have to be so straight forward. The dealings with the Beyonder and a revisiting of what ever became of the Infinity Gems from the Illuminati stories could be brought full circle. Why not reveal that Osborn found a way, or convinced Sentry of the need, to contain the Beyonder? He's not as nigh-omnipotent anymore, but is still ridiculously powerful by MU standards, so obviously it would fit that it would tax Sentry eventually and can be accepted that it drove them ultimately to this destructive level.NOTE that I do not think it is the Beyonder, I was just giving an example of how to still pull a surprise out of something that was built up in Marvel advertising to have supposed to have taken us by surprise when revealed. Plus I was on another thread musing on the thought by another that Sentry cannot be redeemed after all of this, but I already think he is excusable by Marvel heroes' tendencies to dismiss the most despicable acts under the reasoning of the person was mentally unstable, then exploited and is now getting help.