Daredevil (Netflix)

Charlie Cox is the Man Without Fear in Marvel's Daredevil

Marvel announces casting for their first series on Netflix!

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Marvel is proud to announce that acclaimed actor Charlie Cox has joined "Marvel's Daredevil," an all-new 13-episode series premiering on Netflix in 2015. Best known for his acclaimed work in "Boardwalk Empire" and "Stardust," Cox will play Matt Murdock, the lead role in this all-new Marvel Television series. Blinded as a young boy but imbued with extraordinary senses, Matt Murdock fights against injustice by day as a lawyer, and by night as the super hero Daredevil in modern day Hell's Kitchen, New York City.

Charlie Cox is Matt Murdock in Marvel's Daredevil

Photo credit by Frazer Harrison and Getty Images
Marvel's first original series on Netflix is Executive Produced by series Showrunner Steven S. DeKnight ("Spartacus," "Buffy: The Vampire Slayer," "Angel") and Drew Goddard ("Cabin in the Woods," "Lost," "Buffy: The Vampire Slayer," in addition to writing the first two episodes of "Marvel's Daredevil), along with Marvel TV's Jeph Loeb ("Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.," "Smallville," "Heroes").

"Marvel's Daredevil" is produced by Marvel Television in association with ABC Studios.

For more information on "Marvel's Daredevil," and the other exciting new Marvel Television series coming to Netflix, stay tuned to Marvel.com.

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Ruthlessjester
Ruthlessjester

well Charlie Cox is a chick flick actor get ready for daredevil to be a flop just what we needed a man who is known for doing soap opera style drama movies to do a part of an action/stealth part think if batman was played with 0 action and 0 stealth and all drama 

Ruthlessjester
Ruthlessjester

this actor looks like he has the look to play daredevil but does he have the talent to play him i have seen to many actors play comic heroes just so they get a paycheck the best comic movie i saw that had actors dead on the money cause they studied the comics was fantastic four and fantastic four rise of the silver surfer  

Roar55
Roar55

I just really hope that there isn't anything too inappropiate. I'm really just 12 years old right now!

Bootykiller
Bootykiller

Want to see the epitome of hypocrisy? Just read the comments associated with this story. The "it's ok as long as it doesn't effect me" logic is ignorant. 

stueyd
stueyd

I hope Elektra makes appearances!

DrewRadley
DrewRadley member

Did they require someone with an alliterative name?

cerisepuck
cerisepuck

He looks incorrect. Why is it so hard to get someone who looks Irish to play Daredevil? I just don't think I'm asking too much.

Cingatorix
Cingatorix

@Bootykiller Don't worry about it being low budget, these 5 Netflix shows budgets are 200 million (same as Avengers) and unlike Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., this focuses on a superhero, rather than boring characters.  

MrBoogedyBoo
MrBoogedyBoo member

I was really hoping for Micheal C Hall, let's hope this guy can be gritty. 


ablackraptor
ablackraptor member

Never seen him in anything, but he has the right look and, according to those who have seen him in stuff, he's got the right style to play Matt, so I'm happy with this.

1UpNerd
1UpNerd

Am I the only one who thinks daredevil might have a squeal?

Bootykiller
Bootykiller

I'm surprised they cast a white guy in this roll. I figure since they are taking every possible character and making them black then why not take a 2nd tier character like Daredevil? Kingpin, Nick Fury, Electro, Johnny Storm, Heimdall to name a few who were once white characters but now magically black.

chickenhead140
chickenhead140

I'm excited for this but I don't why they're putting it on Netflix I don't want to pay for that I think the villains will be bullseye and kingpin mainly 

tempos
tempos member

i'm psyched for the show but does everything have to be tagged with "MARVELS" in the title? at best it seems like a desperate attempt at advertising (which wouldn't make much sense since with all the advertising marvel does already who isn't gonna know or eventually figure out that daredevils marvel?)/copyright protection, at worst its just pure ego, either way, they're trying too hard (and it just bugs me)

dan357
dan357

Friggin awesome! I wonder who the villains will be?

rojas2works
rojas2works

Great. Any release window information?

ablackraptor
ablackraptor member

@Ruthlessjester Uh, dude? You realize that a lot of actors have done 'chick flicks' in their past, right? Being in a movie with a high female demographic doesn't mean you're automatically untalented, and assuming such is incredibly insulting to both the actor, and to the target audience of those films. Chris Evans wasn't exactly known for action films prior to being cast as Captain America; while he's done some superhero roles prior (F4 and Push), he was mostly known for playing snarky handsome types in romantic comedies.

And lastly...have you watched any of those films? Stardust is a fantasy film, not a 'chick flick' (assuming you mean romantic comedies, which is what 'chick flick' generally refers to; if you just mean 'girly film', then that makes you come off as a bit misogynistic), while Stone of Destiny is an adventure/comedy film. He's also done Boardwalk Empire, which while boring as hell, is a crime drama series. Instead of dismissing him based on a few of his roles, why not wait until the first trailer before passing judgement, or try watching more of his previous roles to get a grip on his acting talents.

ablackraptor
ablackraptor member

@Roar55 That's the biggest thing I think they need to worry about. The MCU's primary audience, whether hardcore fans like it or not, is mostly the family demographic, so young teens and such, but Daredevil is substantially more gritty than that audience would usually stomach.

stueyd
stueyd

@Bootykiller Daredevil is not a 2nd tier character! He is the epitome of a Marvel cult classic and do you think your obvious racism is not noticed! you need to mature because with the exception of Johnny Storm, no one should care if those characters are black and if anything it's kinda better because it allows for some black people (especially kids) to relate!

ablackraptor
ablackraptor member

@Bootykiller Those characters were turned black, not because of a desperate need to turn every '2nd tear' white guy black, but because of colour blind casting, with exception of Fury (that was Mark Millar deciding to play with character design). Kingpin, Electro, Johnny, and Heimdall were all turned black/will be black simply because the casting directors didn't care about race so much as their ability to perform the role given. Personally, each one nailed the role, with exception of Johnny as we've not seen him in action, so its really a non-issue.


Plus, Daredevil, being a man with a disability, is already a minority as it is, so even if they DID want to add diversity, he didn't need to be changed given he already brings diversity with him.

Bootykiller
Bootykiller

@chickenhead140 Trust me, the series will suck balls. They won't have the big budget effects or the star studded cast. It will be just like "Agents of shield"....very unappealing. None of these Marvel spin-offs to TV will have long lives. It's the big budget movies that draw us in and then they try to feed us these scaled down, limp TV shows.

bdaedalus
bdaedalus

@tempos The issue may be more legal than you think. Note that in the MCU, we've seen it used most prominently in Marvel's Avengers, not to be confused with The Avengers. There is another Daredevil in comics, not owned by Marvel, pre-dating Marvel, that was recently brought back by Alex Ross and company. Also I don't think that Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World and Captain America: The Winter Soldier were not marketed as "Marvel's" at the beginning of the title. Given the money making, marketing machine that parent company Disney is, I'm sure that it is only being done when the legal department says to do so in order to save them potential losses down the line.

hobbitking17
hobbitking17

@tempos I think they put Marvel's (insert name here) is to let you know its from Marvel Studios and not from Fox or Sony like X-men and Spider-man.

Bootykiller
Bootykiller

@stueyd @Bootykiller Go look in the mirror bud. What you just said is straight out of the racism handbook. You got 5 cards in your hand and every one of them is the race card. Yes I have every right to get upset when a historically white character is turned black just to appeal to the biggest crybabies on the face of the planet. When did you get it in your head that white people suddenly have no rights? If your response to every debate of this nature is to point your finger and call the other person a racist.....then YOU are the racist. This doesn't have a damn thing to do with brutha's, darkies, blacks, or whatever the hell you want to call them. This is about why it's ok to take white characters and make them any other race YET if the same was done with any other race the river of tears would be never ending. Do you not see that? Are you really that stupid? Apparently you are and double standards are totally cool with you. 


Enjoy your life of double standards....until they don't work to your advantage.....then lets hear your plight. I will be right there to point the finger at you call you a racist or whatever other word comes handy.

Bootykiller
Bootykiller

@ablackraptor @Bootykiller This isn't about the ability of a black actor playing a role. This is about the "HISTORY" of a character. Johnny Storm is the brother of Sue Storm and the son of Franklin and Mary Storm. Heimdall is the brother of Sif (yes THAT Sif) and is a part of Norse Mythology. Stan Lee created these characters over 50 years ago complete with back stories and no apology is owed to anybody because a bunch of white guys got together and created the Marvel Universe. Plenty of black characters were created and I can promise you those characters will never be changed in any way and we both know why. The outrage and the river of tears would be never ending if they ever took a historically black character and changed them into any other race. 


I appreciate your calm response but it is obvious that double standards are ok with you. I grew up with Marvel Comics, I know these characters and their history and I don't appreciate how they are being altered just to appease a certain ethnic group. The lore should be left alone and no exceptions should be made. 

NewNerdOnTheBlox
NewNerdOnTheBlox

@Bootykiller @chickenhead140 I'm not so sure. I feel like working with netflix would be better than working with networks. Just my opinion but I think they may be able to pull this off, but if they don't everyone who watches it will probably lose faith in the whole Daredevil movie/tv show scene.

bdaedalus
bdaedalus

@tempos Also, please forgive my grammar. It losing my comment while writing by making me log in numerous times.

ablackraptor
ablackraptor member

@Bootykiller @ablackraptor I'm not going to deny the fact that there is a certain level of double standards in play (and no, 'double standards' are not OK with me, at least not in the case where one group is negtively harmed by them to a sufficient extent), but the thing to remember with these situations is that all of these characters were created in a time where making a black character white just wasn't an idea that crossed people's minds. Simply put, their race was never a characteristic picked out intentionally. When describing their character's physical description, rarely will people specify that they're white, not unless the person REALLY cares about race. Generally speaking, their race is not anything that has defined them as a character. Heimdall, at best, given his nickname 'The whitest of the Gods', but given that race as we know it today was not an issue back during the times Norse Mythology was being developed, its quite possible it wasn't referring to his race.


But, characters of colour, however, usually its the reverse. Falcon and Luke Cage were both made black as an intentional attempt to add diversity to the Marvel Universe, as was/is many others. To them, their race is a character trait that was intentionally added, and would remove a part of them by doing it. Adding to that, the Marvel Universe is, predominantly, full of white people. Comparatively, there's only a handful of black superheroes, or any other minority, even despite the fact that, in modern times, New York is a very diverse part of America. Making black characters white essentially reduces what little diversity there is, which isn't a good thing, while adding more diversity is mostly harmless, especially in comparison. Especially, concerning characters like Heimdall, who was never a particularly popular or well known character until the films.


I'm not saying making white characters people of colour is a good thing, or something they should do, but its not like its some mass conspiracy to turn every secondary superhero black, as your comment seems to imply. I'm just saying that its really just a case of the actor being good and the director wanting to work with them. This is how most casting choices are made (note, Agents of SHIELD's Melinda May was never intended to be Asian, but her actress was the best for the job; in modern cinema, they cast for ability, not appearance).



Adding to this, technically speaking 'exceptions' have already been made to this 'no changes' rule you want them to add. Jarvis was a human butler in the comics, but is now an AI. Thor was always left ambiguous as to him being an actual god or not, but the films establish Asgardians as explicitly aliens. Black Widow and Nick Fury were both alive during WW2, but Cap 2 makes it clear they're closer around their actors' age (probably a decade younger in Fury's case, since SLJ looks a lot younger than he is), Tony no longer dealt with the Vietnam war nor does he have any issues with the Soviets, Clint is seemingly not a circus archer, etc. And this is just the MCU; take a look at the changes made to the X-Men and Sony Spider-Man films.

The point is, the films modernize a lot of things about the comics; they turn old issues like Vietnam into present issues like Afgan, they streamlined themselves into a set mythology instead of having tons of unconnected characters thrown at each other, and they tie plot threads together. They're being altered in many ways, not just to 'appease' to a particular group (which, as said, is not intentional on their part, its just directors not caring about race).


In short, they change a lot all the time about these characters to make them fit with modern cinema; is turning a few black really any different than taking away Thor's own magical abilities or making Jarvis a machine?


Bootykiller
Bootykiller

@ablackraptor @Bootykiller Your insightful responses are appreciated but I boycotted this years Spiderman because Electro and I will boycott future Marvel movies where these same tactics are employed. No, I'm also not happy with the origin changes with the X-men considering they decimated the franchise by the 2nd movie. I also understand that it would take a considerable amount of time to fully tell the story of Jean Grey/ Phoenix. I wasn't aware of Melinda May and I have issues with the race being altered for any character. 


I don't think you will ever fully understand this until historically black characters are turned into another race. What if tomorrow you woke up and Luke Cage was suddenly a Asian? Don't tell me it wouldn't piss you off and you would feel as if something was stolen from you. 

ablackraptor
ablackraptor member

@Bootykiller @ablackraptor I'm sorry you feel this way, especially concerning Electro (since, really, when has Electro's race EVER been important? Especially as he's modelled after the Ultimate incarnation, and spends the majority of the film a glowing blue guy, and at no point is any attention given to his skin colour during the time he's human). I'm not going to defend anything the X-Men films have done since I've got a lot of issues with them myself (though, not just the changes, more to do with plotting, casting, the way they treat the female characters, and many other issues).


With Cage, it honestly would depend on the actor. If they can capture his boisterous personality, and really feel like he's Luke Cage, I could probably accept it. I wouldn't feel like anything was 'stolen' from me, as, for starters, I don't own Luke Cage, and while I like his character, he's not one of my favourite characters.

I should also point out that I'm in the camp of people who didn't mind Mandarin being white in the film, nor do I mind the fact Shredder is also being turned white in the upcoming TMNT film. Especially since no one complained about them turning him from Chinese to Indian as it would have been if 'Trevor' was the real Mandarin, I honestly found the rage at it rather odd.


But, like I said before, there is a difference between turning characters of colour white and turning white characters into people of colour. Like I said before, about 90% of white characters in comics are only white because the creator didn't think about what race to make them. Straight White Male is, in fiction, the 'default' choice for characters, and its why there's so many straight white male characters in comics, its why films are predominantly lead by white males with white female love interests, and its why there's never a shortage of straight white male protagonists in almost any medium.

Being Straight, being white, and being male, are basically not character traits, they're the default settings. Hell, if I asked you to create a character, you'll probably male them straight, white, and male, and if not, you would have consciously picked to make them different. Its just how the western world has evolved. Until we get to the point where characters vary on this matter to a much more balanced extent, to the point where a creator is just as likely to make a black lesbian woman than they are to make a straight white male, straight white male characters will be far more expendable than other minorities.


Minority characters are still a minority because representation for them is in comparatively short supply, especially in a genre like comics and superheroes. Look at the stands this Wednesday and count how many comics in your local store are about people of colour, are about women, or are about someone who isn't straight. Outside of team books, this number will be VERY low. While the argument could be made that this is because most fans and creators are straight white males, and its true that they make the majority readership group (about 50-60% estimate of readers are male, about two thirds of that are white and 9 tenths are ), the percentage of readers outside of that is still a lot bigger than the number of characters given out. 


Think of it this way, white people have a hundred apples, black people have ten. If you both gave one of your apples away to another group, the white people would only lose 1%, but black people would lose 10%. That' what its really like with the characters. Turning a black character white is a bigger 'loss' to black people than turning a white character black. And the same goes for every other minority.


It might be a double standard, but its only because things are already out of balance as it is. You need to give special attention to the groups who need it first.


And, with all do respect, if you really care this much about fictional characters' races that you feel the need to boycott a whole film because one character is black, then you should really think about why this bothers you so much.

Bootykiller
Bootykiller

@ablackraptor @Bootykiller Ah....so you're using the "affirmative action" argument. Nevermind that you bought the land where you grew the tree and cultivated the apples, you should just give away part of whats yours to those who didn't put in the same time and work? That's a fail argument my friend. Your reference to the "Ultimate universe" also shows that you are not truly up to date with the origins of the characters in question. Please go google electro, look at his Wikipedia page. Then tell me what color his skin glows? His skin only glows in the movie (a movie I refuse to see) so beyond that I have no comment. 


The only reason you have no issues with this topic is it doesn't work against you. This is all working FOR you, you benefit from it so of course you don't have any problems with this and you don't see why I should have any problems with it. That's the foundation of double standards and through all your politeness....you are actually ok with double standards.

ablackraptor
ablackraptor member

@Bootykiller @ablackraptor How? How does that argument 'fail', exactly? Because, black people didn't 'put in the same time and work' as white people to make comic book characters? How exactly does that work? How exactly did 'white people put in time and work'? Beyond the creators of these characters, white people as a whole didn't 'work hard' to make characters like Nick Fury or Electro, that's the work of Marvel, who given they've OK'd these films, clearly aren't too broken up over the change of race.

To put it bluntly, you don't have any right to be upset over the change of race, any more than any other changes made. Did you make a fuss about Jarvis being an AI? About Tony not operating with a secret identity? About Bucky not being a kid? Or Hawkeye being ten years older than Steve? Does Peter meeting Gwen when he's in high school grind your gears the way Electro being black does? Or even the Lizard being from Wales rather than Florida? There's far bigger changes made to these characters, why does changing the race bother you personally so much?

Oh, and its adorable that you then went to go straight to the patronizing 'ur not a true fan' logic. Yes, I am well aware of Electro's origin in the 616 universe, I'm more than aware that traditionally he appeared as a white guy in an ugly green and yellow costume (though he's since changed to something less ugly, IIRC), as I am aware of the origins behind Nick Fury, Johnny Storm, and the other characters you're complaining about (in fact, as noted, I'm more annoyed about Film!Fury not being immortal or using LMDs than I am about his race). But, tell me, how often did people notice he was white until Jamie Foxx was cast? Like I said, white skin is basically the default, he was only created as a white guy because Stan and Steve didn't think about what his race should be. His race is not, nor has it ever been, anything that anyone has remembered him by. 

Electro as a character tends to change a lot in every adaptation, with Ultimate changing how his powers worked, the 90s series making him a Nazi superweapon, the MTV series making him a bullied nerdy kid (personally my favourite version, but I digress), Spectcular making him a tech guy driven insane by his powers, etc. This version seems to be a mix between the last two, only he's also black and has schizophrenia; why is this version any worse than the previous versions?


Thirdly, how does this 'work for' me? How am I benefiting from characters having their races changed? I'm a white-skinned Brit from Yorkshire, I don't benefit at all from races being changed at all. Given that they're yet to produce a superhero in the MCU who's also a white Brit from Yorkshire, I don't really lose or gain anything from how these characters are depicted. If you're going to try and make things personal, try actually knowing me personally first.

And no, I'm not OK with double standards. When it comes to issues that matter, I'm dead set against them. However, like I pointed out, its already a double standard: White is the default, while being of colour is a character trait, THAT is a double standard, right there. The issue here is that I see this change how I see any other change (namely, 'does it make me enjoy the character any less?' which, in the case of Electro, I'll say 'not really'). 

Given Electro's physical appearance has never been a vital part of his character, I don't really care about changing it. Now, if it was a character with a more noticeable physical appearance, than yeah, I'd be annoyed. Wally West, for example, is being made biracial, and it does bug me, but only because he's one of the few ginger superheroes, so his physical appearance is more notable (in other words, if he was still white, but with dark hair, I'd be just as annoyed). I'd prefer characters to resemble their traditional designs, but I'm not going to get more annoyed over one trait being changed than I would over another.


Lastly, its funny you keep arguing about this never happening in the reverse, but that's not true. Connor Hawke is now white in the New 52, Blade was made white in the 90s Spider-Man series, and Storm was made half-white in the films (still 'technically black', but no different than making a white character into a half black person). While it happens far more regularly to white characters, like I said before, there's just more white characters, so of course their appearances change more regularly. Does it bug me that these characters are no longer black? Maybe, but no more than Electro, Fury, Heimdal, or any white-to-black change, or any more than any other physical change.

Bootykiller
Bootykiller

@ablackraptor @Bootykiller I seriously don't have it in me to read your "wall of text". It's quite obvious that double standards are ok with you with your constant attempts to rationalize these changes and how its all OK. Your argument of affirmative action and even your attempt to make me believe that you're a brit from Yorkshire, it's all weak and your argument is weak. 


At the end of the day....if any black character was changed into ANY other race, there would be major protest and a never ending river of tears...but it's all ok if it happens to any other race of characters. Jarvis, Blade and storm are all weak arguments and poor examples in a effort to try and justify these changes. Until more people boycott these movies then this pattern of acceptable double standards will continue and I refuse to accept double standards as a part of my life.

ablackraptor
ablackraptor member

@Bootykiller @ablackraptor *sigh*

At this point, it is pointless to argue with you. You cry about double standards while ignoring the reason for why characters of colour are given this treatment in the first place, which itself is a massive double standard (you seem OK with that one though), you dismiss most of my arguments as 'weak' without actually countering them, repeat the same 'affirmative action' and 'double standard' buzzwords, you don't even believe me when I tell you where I'm from. At this point, it very clear that you've got serious issues with race that seeps very close into bigotry, have a massive case of white privilege, and have serious issues with entitlement.


My walls of text aren't 'rationalizations', its because this is a subject that requires a lot of thinking about since there's a lot of issues to take into account that I'm willing to think about and discuss. The thing is though, you simply don't have any argument to you. You're annoyed by these changes for a completely irrational reason and you attempt at justifying it by claiming double standards is, at this point, a cover for your own irrational issues, and my attempt to explain it in a calm, thought out manner seems to have just resulted in you dismissing me as a hypocrite. At the end of the day, you're the one who's a hypocrite, and the fact that one issue works 'against' you annoys you so much you boycott films and expect others to do the same, ignoring how completely insane a response that is.


You're delusional, and I'm done.


Bootykiller
Bootykiller

@ablackraptor @Bootykiller 


big·ot·ry

ˈbigətrē/noun
  1. bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

Guess what man? By that description every person on this planet is a bigot including yourself. 


I don't owe a apology to black people because a bunch of white guys got together and created the marvel universe 50 years ago. Let them go create their own. Affirmative action doesn't benefit other races as you have lead yourself to believe. It doesn't benefit Asians or Latino's since both those races are hard workers. Affirmative action only benefits blacks and your whole argument is based on affirmative action. I know this because (here it comes) my wife is Asian and my best friend is Hispanic as I also grew up with Latino's. You know what else? They agree with me on this subject. 


You want to hand over the world to the poor downtrodden black race? Well you go right ahead....start with all your possessions and everything you worked for your whole life. 


You are either:

A. A black man lying through his teeth to justify how my cause is pointless and how its ok for one thing to happen and not another. 


or


B. You are actually a white man (which I don't believe) and you are a HUGE sellout. A guy who would sell out his own family and his whole race just to win favor with those who were raised to hate you.


Enjoy your life of handouts.

ablackraptor
ablackraptor member

@Bootykiller @ablackraptor Not really, since most sane people can accept people having different opinions than others. I honestly don't care if you agree with me or not, my problem is that you have a horrible attitude. That's the problem here, clearly, we have completely different mentalities on the subject.


This isn't about 'apologizing' to black people. At no point have I said that people should apologize to black people. Honestly, I think there's really too much focus on black people when it comes to diversity; while I wouldn't complain about a Black Panther film, I'm more interested in getting more female characters and LGBT characters, and would prefer to see more Asian superheroes be created. The thing is, you're convinced yourself the only reason these actors were cast is to add diversity, which really doesn't make sense in the case of Kingpin or Electro considering that they're the villains. 


What I'm saying is that race shouldn't matter. I'm not saying that this is right, its that this shouldn't be a problem. My argument is that race really isn't that big of a deal that so many people try to make it one. This entire argument hasn't been about me trying to say that affirmative action is a good thing; read my original comment, I said quite clearly that these actors were cast because they good actors.


I've said all I can on the subject, but you've dismissed it and refuse to listen. You're convinced that the only reason race changes happen is because of the whole 'white guilt' thing, not because of the possibility that race just isn't an issue for some people, and its getting clear that nothing will convince you otherwise.


I would, however, like to point out how your assumption that I'm either a black guy lying or a white guy who wants to please black people is both hilariously delusional, as well as insultingly condescending and cynical. Here's the truth: I'm a white guy who, frankly, doesn't give a damn about what race, gender, or sexuality others are. I'm an idealist who doesn't really see why its so important that this one detail be preserved when so many other details are changed. This is probably a massively alien concept to you, but I really don't think off race as anymore important than hair colour; I'd like there to be more black heroes, sure, but I also want more Asian superheroes, more red-headed superheroes, etc. I would indeed prefer if they cast actors who looked the part, sure, I'd prefer if Johnny was white, but in the same way I wish Roy Harper had red hair in Arrow. Race just isn't important to me, and the fact you can't get that into your head is just kinda sad.


Lastly, I'd like to point out that, while your original comment could be assumed to just fanboy frustration, at this point, its painfully obvious you're a racist. I'm not pulling the 'racism card', because that would imply I have no basis, but you refuse to see beyond these actors' race, you constantly go on about how black people haven't 'earned' these characters and get things handed out, your assumption that black people were 'raised to hate [me]', and even you bringing up your family and friend in a painfully obvious 'I'm no racist, I got non-white friends' attempt.


I'm pretty much done here; try and understand my perspective, write me off as a hypocrite, whatever, I don't really care. You're a delusional bigot who's provided no argument for why anyone should understand your point of view and have been dismissing any counter argument as hypocrisy while ignoring your own blatant prejudices. There's no reasoning, so I'm done.

Bootykiller
Bootykiller

@ablackraptor @Bootykiller You are nothing but a liberal sell out playing the race card. Equality is a concept you will never understand. This whole convo has been about equality but your bleeding heart can't even see it. If you can't do it to a black character....you can't do it to a white character. It's not a difficult concept yet DERP.......it flies right over your head. 


I guess we better make Spiderman a gay male for the next movie right? It's all ok with you. History, lore and accuracy should just be tossed into the fire so everybody can feel included right? 


You are a phony little man. Touting how you don't go for double standards yet if that was the case then this debate would have never happened. Your response would have been "Yep...you're right"......You are just as pathetic as the rest of the clones who walk this planet. You gotta look cool, you gotta be something your not. You have been checkmated multiple times throughout this convo. Here ya go.....if you got the balls. Go watch the video "Talk s**t, get shot" by Body count (Ice-T) and come back here and tell me what is wrong with that video and how there is a double standard in play. I bet you are so blind that you won't even see it. 

ablackraptor
ablackraptor member

@Bootykiller @ablackraptor I said I was done mate, can't you let this go?


Really, you clearly don't understand the concept of equality, but given the way you talk about other races, the fact you spout blatantly offensive drivel without understanding how idiotic it is, and the way you right off any disagreement as hypocrisy, right now its just getting really sad. 

Not to mention, did you really just accuse me of not understanding equality then sarcastically comment about including everyone, as if doing so was wrong?


How, exactly, have you 'checkmated' me? Go on, tell me, given the fact you've provided no counter argument beyond 'wah, wah, not true, wah, wah, double standards, hypocrisy, race card, bwah'? You've not done anything to counter my points, you've done nothing to change my mind. You rambled pointlessly about how 'unfair' it is that white characters are being changed, but you've not given any reason for why its unfair, you've not explained your perspective at all.


In short, you've done nothing here but bitch and whine, then dismiss my points. You look like a delusional, pathetic, and rather idiotic bigot who doesn't understand anything beyond what you've decided and refuse to acknowledge how the world works. And the saddest part? I've told you I'm done, but you keep responding, calling me out and dragging this out.


As far as I'm concerned, I'm done. You've given me nothing to change my mind, you've given me no legitimate points, you've given me nothing of substance. In short, you've done nothing here but waste both our time. Though, given your handle is 'Bootykiller', I don't why I thought I could at least discuss this like reasonable adults.


Just think about this for a minute, what exactly have you proven here? You've made yourself look like an ass, you've wasted both our time, and you've failed to convince me to your way of thinking. I at least get to look back and realize how obviously delusional you are and get a chuckle out of how much you believe what you've said without actually giving a logical reason for your views beyond your inexplicable grudge against black people, but you? You've gotten nothing here.


Let it go mate; you're not going to convince me, and you're clearly not going to listen to reason, and now it seems you're just trying to insult me to get me to keep coming back. I've said I'm done, so I suggest you drop it and go back to your life.

Bootykiller
Bootykiller

@ablackraptor @Bootykiller Lol....what I just did was a small social experiment. I called you a phony (which I know that you are) and you proved me right by coming back to engage me once again.....even though you said you were done. Your ego still persists. I haven't even read what you have to say since it is worth less then nothing. You are more predictable then the common household dog. 


Double standards, hypocrisy and being a phony is who you are. You should really get in touch with who you are and embrace it. Stop trying to prove to others that you are somehow unique and more enlightened then the next person. You are pond scum swimming around the same polluted puddle as all the rest of the clones who think they are special. Seek true enlightenment AbLaCkRaPtOr because right now you're just another sell out clone.

ablackraptor
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@Bootykiller @ablackraptor Awe, its adorable you've turned to trolling tactics now; at least you're original with your insults, I don't think I've ever been called 'pond scum' before. I said I was done arguing, but if you want to descend into tossing insults, I'm fine with playing with you a bit more if you really don't have anything better to do then argue with a guy on the internet. Though, I'd suggest looking at your life a bit more; I'm still young, but you said you had a wife, right? I'm going to assume from that that, at your youngest, you're in your late twenties, but given your comment about 'The history of these characters', I'm going to assume you're closer to 30s or 40s, if not older. Think, you're a grown man who spent the last few days arguing over the casting choice of a comic book character; do you not realize how sad that is?


Its funny, because at this point, you're coming off as a caricature of those old republicans you see on TV, who rant about immigrants taking yer jobs and blacks and gays taking over TV and other horsecrap. You're a living joke, I don't know if that's incredibly sad or incredibly funny.

Congrats, you've officially became fun for me; good job. I was ready to set it to take off alerts, but you've given me a reason to stick around and flamewar with you.


Looking forward to your next 'checkmate' man ^^.