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Mac Gargan Bio Discussion I

What happened here? I created a Mac Gargan bio. It was fine for a while, and it even showed up in the Spider-Man pages, but it's been deleted. Is it a random bug, or is there a reason? sononsj 18:49, 18 April 2006 (EDT)

When an article is created, even if it is not approved yet, as is the case with your Mac Gargan bio, if you want to improve the chances of it geting approved you might want to list names in the format (surname, forname) and use the full template. Hope this is helpful. --Viper 19:52, 18 April 2006 (EDT)

Thanks, that does help. sononsj 20:40, 18 April 2006 (EDT)

I can't believe I left out my main point, which is, when you create an article, even when it is not approved it still shows up in the people section, or what ever categories you linked it to, there!, gah --Viper 21:00, 18 April 2006 (EDT)

I know, which is what puzzles me. At first, it was not approved, and it did show up. However, it has dissapeared (go check in the Category:Spider-Man section; it's not there). sononsj 21:07, 18 April 2006 (EDT)

Sononsj, do you remember exactly how you named it? Was it Scorpion (Mac Gargan)? Venom (Mac Gargan) - I can't find it at all. Did you keep a copy of the text? Rule of thumb - write it in Word / Word Perfect / a word processor, do your spellchecks there, keep the copy on your harddrive, then copy/paste it in. This way, you have a backup. Congrats on your Hero Points!--MikeFichera 21:44, 18 April 2006 (EDT)

here you go Mike. --Viper 22:18, 18 April 2006 (EDT)


Thanks, Viper - Now the tricky part. We're going to face this with guys like Macendale where they had 2 or more distinct alter-egos. There's function, and then there's format. Format says have 1 bio per person. Function says someone comes to the site looking for the classic Scorpion, they may not know who Mac Gargan is. We could make a 2-part bio - Scorpion (Mac Gargan) and Venom (Mac Gargan). The Scorpion bio ends with him taking on the Venom persona and links to the next bio. The Venom bio begins mentioning his previous life as Scorpion, and then goes from there. The link to just Gargan, Mac should go directly to Scorpion, which will tell his story in chronological order. Viper? Sononsj? What do you guys think of that idea? --MikeFichera 07:49, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

That seems like a great idea to me. sononsj 13:38, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

I'm in the middle of doing this right now. If I'm doing the "Venom (Gargan)" bio, should I put Scorpion as an alias? sononsj 13:59, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Yes, absolutely -under "formerly Scorpion" - I have a way overdue supplemental formatting guide I'll be posting shortly that'll help answer questions like this.--MikeFichera 15:38, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Will we bew doing this with Beetle and other people too? This could cause lots of problems methinks. cactusrob 16:29, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Yeah, you're right. I suggest you talk to MikeFichera about it. sononsj 16:40, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Mac Gargan Bio Discussion II

Hey Viper, what if I joined the two bios together, and listed it under "Gargan, Mac (Scorpion/Venom)", and all links to the Scorpion and the "new" Venom would go to that page? What do you think, Viper? Mike? sonon "here we go again" sj

I think one bio with a redirect from another would sort out the problem quite nicely. :) cactusrob 06:27, 20 April 2006 (EDT)

That's what I'd prefer (the other mods may disagree, but I haven't asked their opinion yet). End the Scorpion (Mac Gargan)'s bio with the link to Venom (Mac Gargan) in the bio text. Yep, Beetle would make sense too. Same way a Spider-Carnage bio, a form Ben Reilly briefly took, should begin with the name Ben Reilly linked.--MikeFichera 13:46, 20 April 2006 (EDT)

I can't see them liking that really though because then we might have pages for even the minor aliases. Maybe have a listing in the category pages for scorpion that would redirect to the venom one. Other wise we would have 2 eneries for Ronin, 5 for Hank Pym etc.... It would be too hard to draw a line. cactusrob 18:14, 20 April 2006 (EDT)

I agree. There shouldn't be more than 1 entry per character. List him under his current codename. --ComiX-Fan 12:58, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

Yeah, but what if someone came to the website looking for a bio on the Scorpion and they didn't know he was also the new Venom? We could have one bio divided into two parts, one for Scorpion and one for Venom. It could be called: Gargan, Mac (Scorpion/Venom), or Venom (Scorpion), or Scorpion/Venom, or Scorpion/Venom (New), or Scorpion/Venom (Gargan). All links either to Scorpion or the new Venom would go to this page. What do you guys think? sononsj 15:18, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

I'll just redirect the Scorpion (Mac Gargan) bio to the Venom one, seeing as the former Scorpion bio has been deleted. --Viper 15:36, 21 April 2006

Mac Gargan Bio Discussion III

Hey guys...sorry for the confusion. Haven't been able to post much lately. Been talking with ComiX-Fan, and we agreed to have 1 entry for Gargan afterall. The Henry Pym situation drove the point home to me. At the same time, like you said sononsj, I'd hate for someone to come to the site and not see a Scorpion entry on the Spider-Man category page. Redirecting is fine - but redirects don't show up there. I'm going to look into how to get a redirect added to the page. Meanwhile, I like the bio divided, sononsj. You can only have 1 headshot, but a Scorpion inline shot would be good.--MikeFichera 16:08, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

I divided it a while ago, and added a little text. sononsj 16:16, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

Yep, looks good - Who would've thought the Scorpion would cause so much trouble! ;-) Ok, so Scorpion is back on the Spider-Man and Villains Category pages, with just a 1-sentence explanation and link. Mac Gargan links to Venom (Mac Gargan). --MikeFichera 17:21, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

Mac Gargan Bio Discussion IIII

I think the Scorpion bio sould be deleted, as there is already text about the Scorpion in the Venom bio. The Scorpion link should be a re-direct to the Venom bio, and I will upload a thumbnail of the Scorpion to place in that section of the bio. sononsj 23:46, 9 May 2006 (EDT)

Sononsj, If Scorpion (Mac Gargan) is changed to just a simple redirect (as is www.marvel.com/universe/Scorpion), then "Scorpion" won't show up on the Category page. The thing is...Scorpion (Gargan) has been around 40 years as "Scorpion" and the absence of his name on the Spider-Man Category page would be odd. Plus, a lot of folks don't realize he's Venom now. The Scorpion (Mac Gargan) page is a simple explanation with the link to redirect - I felt this was the best compromise to keep his name on the Category page without writing the same info twice. --MikeFichera 12:55, 10 May 2006 (EDT)

Okay. I didn't know that his name wouldn't appear on the category page if it was just a redirect. I'm still going to add the thumbnail. sononsj 13:06, 10 May 2006 (EDT)