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OHOTMU:Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005

OHOTMU:Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005

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Fantastic Four 2005


  • Galactus is also credited as consuming the home of the Luphomoids.
  • Due to the extensive trimming required, the entry appears to indicate that the Phoenix Force is the force that saved Galan. While the information as stated is not wrong, the conclusion it seems to guide to is not quite accurate. The original entry as written was over twice the allowed length, and had to be heavily trimmed. The intent of the sentence was lost in the trimming process. It would be more accurate to say: As the previous universe met its end, the Phoenix Force harnessed the positive emotions of everyone in the cosmos to save them from eternal damnation, enabling the sentience of the universe join with Galan and allow him to survive into the next reality.

     To clarify further, nothing is said about whether the Phoenix Force petitioned the sentience of the universe or not. One might infer that, if one chose to:

      * The universe was being destroyed, and all existence was falling into the hands of demonic forces.
      * The Phoenix Force harnessed the positive emotions to save all existence from this fate.
      * The next thing shown is Galan plunging into the fiery cauldron of the cosmos, and the sentience of the universe spoke to him.

     The implications/significance are (at least) twofold. The Phoenix Force existed in a previous incarnation in the reality before the current one, and Galan would likely have fallen into the hands of the dark forces and never had the chance to become Galactus if not for the Phoenix Force.

     People have argued that the statements about the Phoenix Force are from an alternate reality. That is one interpretation, certainly, but the official interpretation is that it is the reality that existed before the current multiverse.

     The Phoenix Force harnessed all of the positive emotions of everyone in the universe to save all of its inhabitants from eternal damnation, enabling the sentience of the universe join with Galan of Taa and allow him to survive the destruction of the universe, and to ultimately become Galactus in that Universe. So, the implication is that the events of that series took place in the universe before the current one.

     During this conflict, the Living Tribunal is seen to be holding the Two Brothers in the palm of his hand, as he goes to consult with his "hooded, spectral ally" (clearly the Spectre). As the old universe is destroyed, the Tribunal releases the Brothers to "assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities."

     So, while the ADVENTURES OF THE X-MEN might not be seen as official canon under other circumstances, the book was written by Ralph Macchio, with the assistance of Mike Carlin, indicating that both Marvel and DC were involved in this explanation. Their intentions seem quite clear and there is no information to dispute this.

     The M'Kraan Crystal is a nexus of realities. Destruction of the crystal destroyed the multiverse, effectively ending all realities and starting a new multiverse. The activities that occur in that issue are the very last in any reality.

     The M'Kraan Crystal's destruction of the universe manifested itself as a radiation plague that moved from the Milky Way and/or Shi'ar Galaxy outward, closing in on Taa last. Since it can alter reality, it could have created this plague retroactively.

     The Living Tribunal is also unique in the multiverse, so this is "the" Living Tribunal acting, not some counterpart.

     The Phoenix Force dies only to be reborn again. It was re-created at the Big Bang. The Phoenix Force saved everyone in the universe from eternal damnation, which made it possible for Galan to still be around to be saved by Eternity/the sentience of the universe. Galan would not have even been remotely aware of the Phoenix Force's involvement, and the Phoenix Force likely would not have recognized Galactus as the former Galan. Plus, some 15 billion years passed, so memories may be a little rusty.

     There is nothing that actually states it to be an alternate reality, and there is no evidence that suggests that there was not an Earth in the previous universe.

     This information is not even new. It has a precedent in the MARVEL ENCYCLOPEDIA: FANTASTIC FOUR, and both times the information was approved by Tom Brevoort.

  • Others have commented on the Spectre. Not being experts on DC's continuity, we cannot argue that, but don't need to. There was "a" Spectre present as representative of the DC Multiverse. Who exactly he was and how he got there is beyond the scope of Marvel Handbooks.
  • Another area of contention is Galactus being listed as a physical being (one with a real body) rather than an abstract (one without a real body, such as Death or Eternity, who instead manifests physically through the use of M-Bodies. Simply put, Galactus is a physical being. In QUASAR #38, Quasar wonders why Galactus and the Stranger were at a meeting with abstract beings since they were not abstract, but physical beings. The Contemplator (the real one, not the Skrull imposter) answers that he doesn't know why, and they went to find out. Quasar has studied under Eon and has a decent idea of what's going on, though he could have been mistaken. The Contemplator is extensively educated and highly knowledgeable, and he certainly gave no response that would indicate disagreement. Anthropomorpho (whose people provide the M-Bodies used by abstracts) later says "Certain powerful entities also enlist our services so they mat be able to put in appearance somewhere without actually attending. We give our newborns the finite beings to practice on before they are allowed to manifest abstract beings." During this discussion, Galactus (and Galactus only) is pictured in the background. Certainly, Galactus is more than purely physical, he is of cosmic importance; however, he is not an abstract being. Mark Gruenwald wrote the above story, and he invented M Bodies. He clearly saw Galactus as a physical being. Tom Brevoort supports this. Never has there been a story that shows Galactus as a solely abstract being using an M-Body every time he wants to take physical form.

    Human Torch

  • Burning Man should have been added to Known Aliases.


  • The Dark Riders were omitted from the list of members. Those members who were Inhumans are Barrage, Foxbat, Gauntlet, Hardrive, Psynapse, Tusk and his Underlings.
  • Alecto (daughter of Gorgon) and Sporr (who appeared in Avengers #376) were also omitted…Thanks to Robbert Graner for highlighting this last omission.


  • The following were omitted from the list of Skrulls:
      * Muraitak of the Xandarian Star-Corps from NOVA #15-16
      * St'kr from SILVER SURFER #27
      * Tenelle, who appeared in NAMOR #18
      * Y’tll from SILVER SURFER #28
      * Rocco from AVENGERS Annual #14…Thanks to Robbert Graner for highlighting this last omission.

    Fantastic Four Bibliography

  • Franklin Richard's future self appeared in X-FACTOR Annual #5, not X-FACTOR Annual #2…Thanks to Gary M. Miller for bringing this to our attention.