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Talk:Blackbird

Talk:Blackbird

Queen's Vengeance (Earth-398)

Blackbird (Sam Wilson) is listed here twice, in both the Earth-616 reality and the Earth-398 reality. If I understand correctly, he only used this identity during the Queen's Vengeance story arc, so it seems like he should just be listed here once. --Lonesome Pinky 04:16, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Because its a alternate earth and its around even if its just shown in that one time when the Earth-616 reality was reverted to Earth-398. This is the almost the same as House of M incident and they aren't listed as same character in those neither. They all thought to be members of that universe except Scarlet Witch. How can you say that reality isn't still out there where they still continued normally. So there is different group named Queen's Vengeance in Earth-398. They are not the same as Earth-616 characters like House of M characters aren't neither. --Wezqu 14:38, 26 January 2007 (CST)

What I'm saying is that he either needs to be listed as Blackbird (Earth-616) or Blackbird (Earth-398). From what you said, it sounds like it should be the latter. To my knowledge, he was never called Blackbird in the Earth-616 reality, just Falcon. --Lonesome Pinky 14:43, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Well I will try to explain this to you. When Morgan changed the earth to Earth-398 he changed those people from Earth-616 to resemple those that they would be in Earth-398. Like it happened in House of M incident. So he did use that alias at one time in his history. So the hole time they were the heroes of Earth-616 but after they changed Earth back to normal Earth-398 kept going without the change. So you could say that Earth-398 Blackbird is still member of Queen's Vengeance but it still doesn't change the fact that Falcon has used that alias because he remembers what happened in that incident. I hope this clears it out to you. --Wezqu 14:54, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Thank you for discussing this with me. I'm just trying to make sure that these pages are consistent. In this particular case, I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Maybe I can state it a different way. It makes perfect sense to have link for Blackbird (Earth-398). I have no problem with that. I understand that we're counting this as a separate iteration of the Sam Wilson character. What doesn't make sense to me is that we also have a separate link for Blackbird (Sam Wilson). Unless he used the Blackbird alias after he got back to Earth-616, it shouldn't be listed on this page.

As a comparison, I point to the Captain America disambiguation page. Thus far, we haven't listed Yeoman America (Earth-398) as an alternative reality version of Captain America, even though he clearly is. However, since his name is different in the Earth-398 reality, there is no need to disambiguate, hence he is not included on the page. In my opinion, the same concept should apply here. Since Sam Wilson has never been called Blackbird in Earth-616, there shouldn't be a link for Blackbird (Sam Wilson), just a link for Blackbird (Earth-398). --Lonesome Pinky 15:41, 26 January 2007 (CST)

I was trying to say that they never left Earth-616 so he did use it in Earth-616 it was just altered to resemple Earth-398. Like if someone would have travelled to Earth-616 when that was happening he would have ended up to that altered Earth-616 but it still would be Earth-616. --Wezqu 17:51, 26 January 2007 (CST)

OK, I understand your reasoning now. It's kind of a Schrödinger's cat situation, if you'll permit the analogy. It still seems a bit redundant to me, but that's OK. I'll will leave things as they are. Thanks again! --Lonesome Pinky 18:18, 26 January 2007 (CST)