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Talk:Daredevil (Matthew Murdock)

Talk:Daredevil (Matthew Murdock)

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Powers/Abilities Condensing

Someone needs to condense the powers and abilities of this bio, the bio does give an in-depth look at Daredevil's abilities, but there is a very thin line between in-depth and tedious. --Viper 21:04, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

I agree , intresting as it was it was huge. david andrews 21:36, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

Wow! You're right, it's disgustingly huge. In fact, it's a good two-three times the size of his bio itself. I'll look over it and tidy it up a bit when I get the chance. PseudoSherlock 19:44, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

There we go, it's fixed. I hope that's good enough. Otherwise, it's going to be down to only a paragraph. PseudoSherlock 19:44, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

but it should still be able to reach current history and plus the powers and abillities page is way too long so just explain the powers he had in the movie

I disagree what happens in the movies is diffrent than comics it should corasponde to the books not the movies david andrews 20:28, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

But what about the current history part because i want to know more about darkdevil user:venom90210

Well, even though it hasn't been approved, I rewrote the whole of the powers/abilities and cut out all the unneccessary explanations and points. I also agree, the movies are not the final word (or sometimes, they don't even have anything to do with the comics) on Marvel characters. However, most of what was previously written was obviously expounding on specific comics scenes. So, hopefully, what I snipped it down to is still valid. Otherwise, seriously, it should read "Daredevil's other four senses are superhumanly enhanced, along with a fifth sense known as his 'radar sense.' He is also practised in multiple forms of martial arts, and is an accomplished trial lawyer." PseudoSherlock 14:06, 2 June 2006 (EDT)

but what about darkdevil is he really a ghostly manifistation of dare devil or did he just get some new powers? user:spiderman12901

He has Daredevil's soul and a demon's powers (or something like that). sononsj 18:33, 6 June 2006 (EDT)

okay but can anyone tell me how he got them which will probaly take an hour because there isnt a chat room user:spiderman12901 p.s do people really have to put the date after they say something?

To automatically add the date (along with your name), type four tildas (thse: ~ thingys). sononsj 18:59, 7 June 2006 (EDT)

his powers list was better before who ever changed it did so, his intelligence should be higher and his fighting skills were resting at 7 to keep higher than the punishers. As it is now his fighting skill is lower than the punisher, even though on the punishers page it says:"He is notabley less skilled in martial arts than daredevil" MarcWagz0

Official stats are both wrong in that you are right but you are wrong on the Punishers Fighting Skill index is higher than Daredevil's. Also that scale doesn't say who is better in fighting it means how experienced the character is. Real index to Daredevil is 5 and Punisher its 6. Reason to this is because scale 5 means "Master of a single form of combat" and 6 means "Master of several forms of combat". Punisher is trained in several fighting styles when Daredevil is on his own fighting skill. This doesn't mean that Punisher can use his skills better than Daredevil. --Wezqu 12:46, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

That makes more sense then, but that doesnt seem to be what everything else means, were do you find the meanings for the ratings? Are they on the site or do you need to have a handbook? MarcWagz0

Well you can see them in any handbook that uses those Power Grids not all of them do like those special ones but all the all-new handbooks do. You can also see the explanations for the values here Power Grids. --Wezqu 20:30, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Finally Done

There, I edited up his powers so that it only scrolls down part of a page. I also deleted his "superhuman agility," as this was undoubtedly assumed by a previous contributor. As far as I know, only training and comic-reality gives him such agility. He is also not a genius, according to the scale in the Handbooks. PseudoSherlock 15:21, 8 June 2006 (EDT)

I was just wondering why I never see the changes or the new paragraphs that I add to a character? User:-S-Man-

because you dont have enough hero points. You have to wait to someone to approve them before the changes will showup. --Wezqu 19:33, 30 June 2006 (EDT)

I dont approve to changing his abilities to that of the movies. He's a little wimpy in the movies, and his weakness to sound is greatly overplayed in the movie. The movie also didnt display the 360 degrees of vision very well either.

cival war

why is daredevil still in prison i thought he was released and is in the cival warspiderman12901 15:49, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

There is a second daredevil running around Hells Kitchen while Matt is in jail , We'll have to wait and see just who's under the mask thoough, But maybe that was him and not Matt in the Civil War book. david andrews 16:00, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

i think i know who he is because in the future comics there is a second daredevil named darkdevil but before he became darkdevil someone tried to kill him the and original daredevil risked his life to save him and i dont know the details but kain ended up with daredevils soul and a demons powers for more info try google: darkdevil history p.s wikipedia is the best info finder spiderman12901 19:10, 6 July 2006 (EDT)


Though we learn in his series that it's Iron Fist running around while Matt's in prison, in civil war #3 its clear to see that at the diner that it's Murdock himself. Don't think the Daredevil series will be touching on Civil War and we are to assume this happens after the current arcs

Daredevil #86

This is the most incredible fun will have you smiling from ear to ear issue of Daredevil or any other Marvel comic I have read to date and I have been reading for an odd 20 or more years.

I loved the story and the art..I especially loved how a prison full of hardened, heartless, murderous criminals were all willing and trying to take down the Kingpin and Matt Murdock (Daredevil) simultaneously. But soon as everybody ..I mean even the bosses who were controlling the masses of rioting inmates saw that Bullseye was free and on a killing spree HAHAHA! Everyone stopped and then ran for their lives!! Ohhh man that was priceless, they 'd go up against Daredevil and Kingpin together no doubt..but when Bullseye shows up..its time to run LOL. Oh wait till you see how Bullseye was imprisoned ..worse than Hannibal Lector but we know Bullseye and every single security and lockdown measure has to be enforced cause he is just that freaking dangerous!

Bullseye shooting inmates with 2 pump shotguns and saying to Murdock " Check it out Matt..EYES SHUT!" as he guns down the inmates. Kingpin calling Bullseye by his name "Lester" and call Murdock "Matthew" just conveys the type of personality he has.

The writing was so A+ and the artist's rendering of what was going on ..on the mark!

I can't say enough about this issue other than YOU MUST READ IT!! Daredevil # 86

Ayrlion

Great Issue. Loved Matt handing the Punisher a shotgun and asking for his help. Was really excited when Castle enter this book. Was a little upset that nothing more was seen regarding him and the riot

DD's Billy Club

There is only a single sentence on Daredevil's billy club, and I recently tried altering that. Someone rejected it. I tell ya, some people are just as interested in the weapons of the heroes as they are in powers, abilities, and their biography. Y'know? Not to mention I put all that together myself, using the Official Marvel Handbook. So if somebody would please approve it next time, I'd be grateful.

The Last Samurai

If anyone has daredevil volume 1, issue 1 it has a good description on his billy club in it. MarcWagz0

Being A Lawyer

Is it important to tell in his profile that Murdock was also Peter Parker's lawyer for a while?

Knew

He was also the Fantastic Four's lawyer. PseudoSherlock 07:51, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Don't know whether this is important or not, but on DD's profile, it says he has a high school diploma and a JD. I'm in the process of applying to law schools right now, and I can tell you for a fact that you can't get into law school with a bachelor's degree. So... I wonder where Murdock did his undergrad work?

Murdock Papers

Sad to say Im a little behind on Daredevil....not too far behind though. I just bought issue #85, and I am utterly waiting in anticipation. I love the fact Castle is now in Ryker with them and make Murdock even more angry. This outside manipulation is getting intense. I love the art, it only gets better with every issue. I am going out to buy #86 right now.....I just gotta know.

jail time

im still wondering why is matt still in jail just like what if they caught ghost rider spiderman blackpanther or blackcat whould they get the same sentance plus matts good friends with some preety big teams why cant they just pay his way out if he gets out i hope he puts on his old costume and tells the other one to either stay out of hells kitchen or find a new costume and a name spiderman12901 00:44, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Spider-Man hasn't really committed any crimes. And, umm, Ghost Rider isn't really responsible for his own actions, he's a demon. Plus, the Black Panther is a foreign leader, and would have diplomatic immunity. Black Cat is someone that might be imprisoned, however... PseudoSherlock 07:53, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

and the getting out of jail part by the help of his teammates or is that going to just be a thought that will never end up in the comics because it will be too easy02:18, 11 August 2006 (EDT)~

Spider-Man has committed numerous crimes like breaking & entering, vigilante, destruction of public property, resisting arrest, committing robbery (while he was forced to do it on more than one occasion by a criminal, it is still a crime that needs to be solved in court), and has even committed involuntary manslaughter (catching Gwen Stacy with his webbing is what killed her). Being a vigilante is a crime because it is taking the law into your own hands, which is something that CIVIL WAR is about.
Ghost Rider can be held accountable for his own actions since it was his choice to become Ghost Rider.
While Black Panther can't be held accountable for crimes in the United States, he can be held accountable for them in his own homeland.
However, since this is comics things like this get overlooked and it is okay because they are costumed heroes. --DragynWulf 13:22, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

DD was in Jail pending his Arraignment, Prelim, and ultimately Jury Trial if it came to that. On big cases such as this, the Court can revoke bail, especially when the defendant is a flight risk. That way there is no way that the defendant will not show up for his next Court appearance. If Bail had been allowed on DD's case, it would've been posted and he would've been outta there... -Nate

Powers list vs. biography

I actually like the lengthy powers list. It was very informative, and since this is supposed to be the definitive source, the more informative, the better. Besides, it's hardly the longest powers list out there. It's comparable, in fact, to both Spider-man's and Reed Richards'. The real issue, I believe, is how short the biography is! Ben Urich's bio is longer than this! Spider-man's is an in-depth (albeit melodramatic :) ) summary of everything he's ever been through in the main universe. And yet, Daredevil's is lacking in everything except origin and a brief summary of where he is now. I don't think it even mentions Karen. Let me double-check... nope. Karen Page does not get a mention. Also, oddly, it mentions Mister Fear, Stilt-Man, Purple Man, and the Jester, but it does not mention Bullseye. Or Typhoid Mary, the Gladiator, Echo, Milla... Matt Murdock is one of the most complex and interesting characters in comics, with a long, complex, and emotionally-involving history. Why does he have a shorter bio than J Jonah Jameson? --Katerine 22:37, 27 January 2007 (CST)

Some very good points, Katerine! In the OHOTMU Daredevil 2004, there was a full page devoted to Daredevil's powers! Of course, there were also four pages devoted to his bio. Feel free to add to the Marvel Universe bio and improve it! --Lonesome Pinky 23:19, 27 January 2007 (CST)

The thing I think is out of scale is in fact the size of his bio. It should be sized up a bit, I could get that much from 1 issue. To devil his due is out, and there is nothin on that yet


I don't mind that the powers list is lengthy. One paragraph I would take out completely, however, is this (and the thing about detecting color should be changed to what's in the MUH):

"The mutations that have heightened Daredevil’s level of sensitivity have also increased his awareness of other forms of electromagnetic radiation. He is capable of detecting and identifying any electromagnetic radiation on the standard scale; from radio waves, (which he can only detect, not understand the message) all the way to gamma waves, and everything in between. He is also able to judge the strength of a given radiation and even differentiate between individual colors by the amount of radiation they give off. At very close range, Daredevil is able to detect the micro voltage of a human being’s brain."

This isn't in (at least) the last two version of the MUH, and not in the Marvel Knights Encyclopedia either. But, more importantly, Daredevil hasn't used the "awareness of other forms of radiation" since he tracked Elektro som forty years ago, and that bit about the microvoltage of the human brain has never been seen on the pages of Daredevil. About detecting colors, both the 1980's and 2004 versions of the MUH state that he can only guess at what color something is. And again, considering that this is a power that hasn't been used for thirty years (I only know of one later example, when he holds a photograph under a bright light to get some feel for the dark and light areas - from the heat - and still readily admits that he's only guessing). It is just my opinion, but "wacky" powers which haven't been seen since the sixties or seventies (or at all, in some cases) should probably be left out since they are incompatible with how his powers have been portrayed since then. And, for completeness, it might be a good idea to list his weaknesses as well, the same way it's done in the MUH. --jumonji 09:26, 3 March 2008

comma space

after mister fear when listing villans there should be a space after the comma and before Stilt-Man [, Stilt-Man] it is currently ike this ,Stilt-Man