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Talk:OHOTMU:Data Corrections Civil War Battle Damage Report

Talk:OHOTMU:Data Corrections Civil War Battle Damage Report

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There is a lot more errors in this book, please see [1]here]. Lordmagnusen

Thanks for pointing this out. I will bring it to the attention of the group and we will review them. In the future, instead of just posting a link to a blog, please post them here or send them to me in an e-mail. Reading every entry in a blog just to find the ones about the Handbook is a bit tedious. --DragynWulf 08:09, 26 April 2007 (CDT) (Moderator)

Thansks DragynWulf, I actually do this for fun, for my column, can I let you know of any Handbook errors I find? I hope I posted this answer in the right way. :P

One more question, can you credit me as MaGnUs?Lordmagnusen

Yes, any errors you happen to find in the Handbooks can be sent to me at dragynwulf @ hotmail.com. The group will review them and then decide if they are errors or not. If it is decided that they are indeed errors, I place them online for that particular issue. About half of the ones you pointed out were indeed errors (mainly the obvious typos), but the others were due to spoilers, being written by Tony Stark from his view or other reasons. I will be mentioning them all on your column this week. --DragynWulf 09:38, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

Thanks DW, for crediting me and all, and for the comment on my column, which I just answered. As I said there, I write my column in the spirit of constructive criticism, despite the tone being overly acid sometimes (it is called The Nitpicker, after all); with enormous appreciation for the work the creators do, but if I've offended anyone, my apologies. I'll look over my previous columns and see if there's any Handbook errors that haven't been reported. Thanks again! Lordmagnusen

Oh, one more thing... why are the Young Avengers listed as having US Government funding? Lordmagnusen

Read the Initiative profile from the same handbook. They are Iniative Trainees so U.S. coverment pays their bills. They took the amnesty after the last battle of the Civil War. --Wezqu 19:29, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

I am unable to reply to the comments you made on your blog, so I will mention them here instead Lordmagnusen. > >mistakes are bound to slip by and this is something that has been part of
>Of course mistakes are bound to slip by, but as I always like to point out; the people who this (as far as I know) get paid for writing and proofing this books, and if I can find the errors (be it 14, 15, or 26) in one read, and I'm not getting paid (but in fact, people PAY to read these books)... well, it is obvious that you could use one more set of eyes for the coordination.
And you still miss the point. Errors happen in comics in general for years or Marvel would never had started the No Prize award. Just like any regular comic published, we do what we can so there are no errors, but they will slip by no matter if someone gets paid for it or not or if people pay to read them. Mistakes happen, we have acknowledged that from the beginning just like those Handbooks from the 80's and 90's did.

> Writing Dazzler instead of Dagger is something that stands out at a first read, just to mention one thing.
People make mistakes. You made a more than a few typos in your column as well. This is only a few of them coming from someone talking about typos and how things are properly spelt…
-commemorate the anniversary of the first appeareance of the FF...
-The right name for the hero should be "Capitão Força", and if you want to translate it, translate the whole thing into "Captain Force" or "Captain Strenght".
- whith four words in one line with huge gaps
-can render herself and other objects wholly or partially invisible by mentally bending all wavelengths of light in the vicinity around herself or the target in question
-Huh? What happened to her power to proyect forcefields??!?!
-It also says that he claims that the Iron Fist who's part of the illegal Avengers team is an impostor
-but I noticed the reference and thought odd that they'd misspell Lieber and Kurtzberg.
-Still on page 47, in the last paragraph of She-Hulk's profile, part of ther powers are "ascend 600 feet in a single jumpp".
First of all, I have to complain about Clor's (the Thor clone/cyborg).
NOTE: This is not the character's name and was only called that at Newsarama and others decided to call it that as well online.
-which is a gross misunderstatement, since M posesses several other powers

I am only pointing this out to prove the point that mistakes are made. Not to argue or anything else, so please do not take it as such. Just to make a point that mistakes are made. We all make them including those that write for the Handbooks and comics themselves.

> >we acknowledge the fact that we do our best, but unfortunately there will be mistakes as explained on the online Data Corrections page.
>I know that, and while I'm sometimes overly caustic (that's the style of this column); I do appreciate all the hard work done by the creators involved. I just think that some things could be avoided just by paying a little bit more of attention.
We pay far more than just a "little bit of attention" to the profiles than you'd know. You only see the finished product. We see the numerous drafts, re-writes, and corrections. Unfortunately some can slip by even an group of people looking at things.

> >The spelling of certain names, while it might be the incorrect way to spell it in real life, in the comics they are spelt that way and if it is printed, then that is what is used. For example claiming that Captain Forsa was incorrectly spelt is incorrect in itself because that is how it was spelt in the comic itself.
>And that's what I say things like "Of course, this nit should probably go as a nit first found on Alpha Flight V1 #78, where Capitão Força first appeared, but I never read that book.." and "although this is probably Peter David's fault, as the writer who co-created the character in the first place".
Why is it the "fault" of the writer if they wanted to spell a name that way instead of a way you wanted it to be spelt? If they want to spell it differently, it is up to them. Not everyone spells their name the same way. DragynWulf is normally spelt “dragon wolf”, but I spell it differently just as you spell “MaGnUs” differently.

> It is still an error, even if it was not made by the people writing this particular book.
No it is not. You are assuming it is an error.

> >Now given the fact that there are only 14-15 mistakes in an issue like this, I think that the writing team did an outstanding job working on this title. I also happen to know that the Handbook writers in general do an outstanding job with every issue they work on.
>I agree completely, and again, my acid writing non-withstanding, I enjoy the Handbooks, they are very helpful and complete. I don't mean any disrespect to any of the creators involved, and write everything I do in the spirit of constructive criticism, and hope it's taken that way.
While it does not bother anyone personally that writes for the Handbooks, when you make comments like "One hell of a job guys, seems like you fell asleep while doing it (just as I was falling asleep while reading the book)" it is more insulting than constructive criticism.

Wezq, if the Young Avengers have joined the Initiative, why are Patriot and Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) shown in the second issue Fallen Son with the New Avengers? --Wezqu

I could not tell you exactly why. Not all members of the Initiative follow orders and since the Young Avengers were part of the Anti-Registration, they would still want to talk to their friends without trying to arrest them just as Heroes for Hire did when they met Captain America and Luke Cage in HEROES FOR HIRE. --DragynWulf 10:58, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

I understand that, but if they're just visiting their non-registered pals, why is Luke Cage trying to stop them from going on patrol, as if he's afraid they're going to get arrested? I understand that you're not privy to all plots, but it does seem that there was a mistake in saying the Young Avengers are funded by the US Government, or at least that all of them are.

DragynWulf; let me reply to your comments:
>And you still miss the point. Errors happen in comics in general for years or Marvel would never had started the No Prize award.

Exactly, and that's why I point out errors in Marvel's books, DC's, Boom's, Dark Horse's, Dynamite's, etc, etc. Anywhere I find them.

>People make mistakes. You made a more than a few typos in your column as well.
Of course, I never said I was perfect and everybody else is flawed. When I've seen my own mistakes, I've featured them in my column. However, I don't get paid to write my column, and I only have myself to proof what I write, not a whole group of people.

>First of all, I have to complain about Clor's (the Thor clone/cyborg).
>NOTE: This is not the character's name and was only called that at Newsarama and others decided to call it that as well online.

I know, I never said it was the official name, that's why I used the quotation marks. I just pointed out that I, personally, don't like th clone/cyborg being called Thor, when he's not.

>We pay far more than just a "little bit of attention" to the profiles than you'd know.

What I'm saying is that a little more extra attention wouldn't hurt, not that you only pay a little attention to them.

>Why is it the "fault" of the writer if they wanted to spell a name that way instead of a way you wanted it to be spelt? If they want to spell it differently, it is up to them. Not everyone spells their name the same >way. DragynWulf is normally spelt “dragon wolf”, but I spell it differently just as you spell “MaGnUs” differently.

It's not the same, we spell it that way because of a stylistic choice, just like "Stryfe" and "Havok". It's not that I want the Portuguese word for "strenght" to be spelled "força", it is in fact spelled that way. Do you seriously mean that a Brazillian hero, who is a native speaker of the Portuguese language, would choose to spell a word in his name incorrectly? Or is it just that the writer who created him doesn't speak Portuguese, and did not bother to check with somebody who did? I see this kind of thing (non-English words and names spelled incorrectly) far too often to believe that.

>While it does not bother anyone personally that writes for the Handbooks, when you make comments like "One hell of a job guys, seems like you fell asleep while doing it (just as I was falling asleep while >reading the book)" it is more insulting than constructive criticism.

It's constructive criticism, but written in a sarcastic tone, that's the way my column is written; I'm not Wizard Magazine, who only says good things about the books they hype... when I think somebody did a good job, I say it, and when I think they did a bad job, I'll say it too. I just won't say "I think this book is well written", since that it's not the style of my column.

I only read books I like, and in my column I only feature mistakes from books I read... the only exception is the ocassional first time I try a book, and if I don't like it I'll drop it; or the ocassional run in a monthly I collect that I'll endure for completism's sake. That said, I repeat that I deeply appreciate all the hard work done by creators, and by no means I intend to demean or insult anybody when I point out their errors. Just trying to keep people on their toes, so if my column's noticed, the (already good) job they're doing gets better with time.

Thanks for your time, and for the discussion. Lordmagnusen

> >We pay far more than just a "little bit of attention" to the profiles than you'd know.

>What I'm saying is that a little more extra attention wouldn't hurt, not that you only pay a little attention to them.

It has been answered. Sorry you don't like the answer given. I've taken the time to explain things to you, but you'd rather push the issue.

> >Why is it the "fault" of the writer if they wanted to spell a name that way instead of a way you wanted it to be spelt? If they want to spell it differently, it is up to them. Not everyone spells their name the same >way. DragynWulf is normally spelt “dragon wolf”, but I spell it differently just as you spell “MaGnUs” differently.

>It's not the same, we spell it that way because of a stylistic choice, just like "Stryfe" and "Havok". It's not that I want the Portuguese word for "strenght" to be spelled "força", it is in fact spelled that way. Do you seriously mean that a Brazillian hero, who is a native speaker of the Portuguese language, would choose to spell a word in his name incorrectly? Or is it just that the writer who created him doesn't speak Portuguese, and did not bother to check with somebody who did? I see this kind of thing (non-English words and names spelled incorrectly) far too often to believe that.

Yes, it is exactly the same. Characters spell their name differently all the time, just because a character is from another country doesn't mean that they would want to do the samething as numerous other characters in the Marvel Universe have been shown to do since the 1960's.
Havok spells his name incorrectly because that is how he (or the creator of the character) wants to spell it and he is speaks English. It is actually spelt "havoc" with a "c" and not a "k". If a writer wants to spell a name differently than what you want them to spell it, it is up to them as a writer to write what they want and not what you want. Therefore, it is not the fault of the writer if they want to spell something differently. --DragynWulf 10:58, 2 May 2007 (CDT)


MaGnUs - I don't find your blog in "the spirit of constructive criticism" at all - but rather in a mocking sardonic spirit of superiority. When a friend reviews your writing or you work with an editor who sends back suggestions or corrections in a business-like fashion intent to make your writing better, that's called "constructive criticism"...constructive = to build up, not to tear down. BTW, Tony called Spidey's powers deriving from an "unclear basis" due to the recent themes in JMS' work in which it is unclear if Spidey's powers are strictly science based, magical, or perhaps, as Stark postulated, there is an inherent link between the two. Additionally, what you considered to be an "outrageous" error and type an abbreviated obscene exclamation, Spider-Man did develop new powers - including his new organic webs - as a result of additional mutation that happened prior to joining the previous incarnation of the Avengers. Read the story of the Queen...it happened right before Avengers Disassembled. Spider-Man emerged with organic webs then...before he became a full-time Avenger. I'd appreciate if you could update your Blog. --MikeFichera 13:11, 2 May 2007 (CDT), moderator

>It has been answered. Sorry you don't like the answer given. I've taken the time to explain things to you, but you'd rather push the issue.

DragynWulf, it's not that I'm pushing things, I was just trying to explain that I understand how much work is put into these books, and that I'm not implying that you don't pay attention to them.

>Yes, it is exactly the same. Characters spell their name differently all the time, just because a character is from another country doesn't mean that they would want to do the samething as numerous other characters in the Marvel Universe have been shown to do since the 1960's.

I'm not saying that a character who doesn't speak English wouldn't want to spell his name in a "creative" way, I'm just saying, that (speaking some Portuguese, as I do, and being a native speaker of Spanish, as I am), "Forsa" is not the same as "Havok or "Stryfe", a creative or "cool" way to spell a name", it's as spelling them "Haboc" or "Strahife"; just a plain, and obvious mistake. Just because you are trying to defend creators, doesn't mean you can't recognize a mistake for what it is. Every month, and I've seen this even before I started writing my column, comic book writers (and not just at Marvel) include characters and situations which use names and dialogues written in languages they don't speak. That's a good thing, it shows diversity, and makes for better stories. However, they don't take the time to learn how names and words are spelled, when they could easily do that by asking somebody who speaks the language. Why, the US, where most comic creators live is full of people who come from other countries, or that speak other languages. Instead of writing whatever sounds good based on the Taco Bell commercials you've seen, and annoy readers who speak Spanish (or whatever the language in case is); they could take a few minutes to either search the web (like I do when I check stuff for my column), or ask somebody who does speak the language they want to use.

>It is actually spelt "havoc" with a "c" and not a "k".

I know how the word "havoc" is spelled, and that's why I used him as an example. Havok and Stryfe, and MaGnUs and DragynWulf are mispelled because of stylistic choices; but there's also names, non-English names, that are spelled incorrectly all the time, and those are mistakes, not choices.

>MaGnUs - I don't find your blog in "the spirit of constructive criticism" at all - but rather in a mocking sardonic spirit of superiority.

Mike, thanks for your comments as well. My blog is constructive, that's why I point out what's wrong, and then say how it could be avoided (by using handbooks, or previous comics for references, by searching the web, asking somebody who speaks a certain language, etc). It also happens to be written in a sarcastic (and yes, at some points even sardonic) tone, which I understand can be misinterpreted as if my intention is to insult the creators; but as I have said before, it's not. To clarify further, when I write the column, I'm partially writing in-character as The Nitpicker, a semi-fictitious persona who tends to get a bit more worked up than I do in real life. I again apologize if I have offended anyone.

>BTW, Tony called Spidey's powers deriving from an "unclear basis" due to the recent themes in JMS' work in which it is unclear if Spidey's powers are strictly science based, magical, or perhaps, as Stark postulated, there is an inherent link between the two.

Yes, I understand that, what I consider to be an error, however, is that he first say that his powers come from an "unclear basis", but later states, with no qualifier to denote uncertainty, that they come from the spider bite. That's what I found to be inconsistent.

>Additionally, what you considered to be an "outrageous" error and type an abbreviated obscene exclamation, Spider-Man did develop new powers - including his new organic webs - as a result of additional mutation that happened prior to joining the previous incarnation of the Avengers. Read the story of the Queen...it happened right before Avengers Disassembled. Spider-Man emerged with organic webs then...before he became a full-time Avenger. I'd appreciate if you could update your Blog.

Yes, thank you. A reader pointed it out, but commented it under a different post. I'll mention it in my next column, as well as a disclaimer to make sure everybody understands I'm not trying to direspect creators and editors. However, the profile makes it sound as if Peter got all of his new powers before New Avengers. Thanks for your time and attention. (PS: sorry, I'm making a mess of this thing, I keep correcting my posts...)

Mike, Dragyn, please see here, my latest column entry, which includes a disclaimer. Thanks again for yor time.


Thanks for posting the update and explanations in your blog. Once more - to nitpick your nitpick about the spider-bite ...Peter and Tony Stark know a spider bit him - obviously. That's the "how." The "why" is still unknown. We're not listing it as errata.--MikeFichera 11:41, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

No problems Mike. As for the spider-bite; it's not the fact that I'm disputing, it's the way it's written. Sometimes my nits are facts (like a typo or omission of a word), and sometimes, they're a bit more grayer, like when I consider that a text contradicts itself; as in this case. But in any case, we can agree to disagree, so as long as I've made clear that I really mean no disrespect (no matter what my Mr. Hyde may write). There's a lot of handbooks I have but haven't read yet, so be sure I'll find more stuff to report :>.

Prodigy

Prodigy bio doesn't mention that his costume is bulletproof like it was seen to be in Slingers #04. --Wezqu 19:31, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

I'm not saying this as an in depth explaination instead of just saying "ommitted due to space" in order for you to better understand things. It isn't .
We would love to write as much information as possible in every Handbook and go into as much detail as possible, but unfortunatly we are only allowed a certain amount of space (words) for each profile. In cases like a Handbook that cover as many characters like that, the word count is about the same amount that you'd find on a 1/2 page profile which is only around 250 words which the "Real Name", "Occupation", "Aliases", "Group Affiliation", "Hair", "Eyes", "Abilities/Powers", and text like those are also included in that number automatically. So before we even start writing a profile we already have 23 words for the profile and while it might not seem like alot, that is a good amount of group affiliations, aliases, and/or discription we can't include in the profile. Because of the limited amount of words, we can't always list everything about every character. This is why cases like this (Prodigy) and Invisible Woman's power (which Lordmagnusen mentioned) discriptions, although ommitted, are not errors. It is due to limited space to write the profile. --DragynWulf 19:12, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

Shroud

His firstname is writen wrong or it was writen wrong in Ms. Marvel #6. Its "Maximillian" in the handbook, but in the comic its writen "Maximilian" with one "l". I'm not sure switchs one is the right way to write it, but I thought it should be mentioned. --Wezqu 20:15, 27 May 2007 (EDT)