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Contents 1 OHotMU Data Corrections 2 Bio Moving List 3 i need help 4 Disambig Pages 5 Images 6 Nazi Party 7 Race Template 8 Approving 9 OHotMU text 10 Thunderbolts 11 Using internet for stat info 12 Klaw, Blastaar, and Dragon Man 13 Villians 14 Creating a page from scratch 15 making a bio for yourself (or myself in this case) 16 Hauptmann 17 Imperfects 18 Created Categories 19 Where did my edit go? 20 New Page 21 RE: Spellchecking 22 Heroes Reborn 23 Mercenary Category 24 Skrulls 25 Questions 26 Anaconda wiki... 27 Two Things 28 Uncalled for? 29 Bad image file 30 Disambiguation images 31 Re: User_talk:Danja 32 Image:Example.jpg 33 I'm Confused 34 Kaptain Briton / Red Skull 35 Loki 36 Squadron Supreme 37 Glossary makeover / new category 38 Alternate Realities 39 Not entirely too familiar with how this Wiki Works... 40 Why not? 41 Can users make catergories? 42 Freak and Happy Hogan bios 43 My Bio 44 Accepting articles 45 Annihilation category 46 Pictures Deleted? 47 Redirect Pages 48 Ohitsme contributions 49 Correct Spelling

OHotMU Data Corrections

If you would like to keep us posted about any and all errors and oversights accidentally printed in the OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE issues (not on the onliine encyclopedia), please contact me at dragynwulf@hotmail.com. Please mention which character you are submitting about with a brief explanation in the subject area. For example "Spider-Man's relatives", "Thor's battle with Surtur" or "Scarlet Witch's powers". This will help group each e-mail together for a specific error with a character. --DragynWulf 10:10, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Bio Moving List

Add list of profiles here that need to be moved to different name due to more than one character using same name. --DragynWulf 00:34, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Well this should be moved, because its the wrong Spider-Man. Spider-Man (2099) isnt the Spider-Man from 2099 he is alternative character of Spider-Man of 2099. When Proteus came to their reality he changed its timeline creating a different alternative future. So the universe number changed that character is from Earth-6375 and he is the member of the Exiles. The original Spider-Man (2099) survived to 3099 with help of Thor's Hammer and gave it back to Captain America (2099). --Wezqu 08:52, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

Well here is one to be move and another to be deleted. Daredevil (2099) redirect should be removed because Daredevil (Marvel Knights 2099) and him are totally different characters. Chyper should be moved because there is several characters that have used that alias. --Wezqu 17:36, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

I took care of the Daredevil (2099) situation.
The Spider-Man (2099) is correct, it just lacks information in the history section. The Exiles version of Spider-Man (2099) can be found under Spider-Man 2099 (Exiles).
I will move Chyper later this weekend. If I happen to forget, please remind me. --DragynWulf 10:18, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Yeah another guy did that Spider-Man thing already so when you checked it was fine. Also Diablo should be moved there is another character that has used that alias. Also just asking this because I dont see point in arranging characters to alphabetical order. I would rather arrange them in chronological order because these are characters and some of the pages like Black Panther and even Ant-Man should be in chronological order because people would see at first glance that which character was first using the alias or which is the last one using it. In my opinion chronological order helps the user more than alphabetical order. --Wezqu 16:47, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Diablo has been moved.
Chronological order is the reason why the OHotMU doesn't use numeral distinguishing like Captain America III because it can become subjective as who appeared first due to retcons happening all the time. Captain America (Steve Rogers) appeared first, but because of retconning, he isn't the first Captain America, but the 3rd and that can change later if another retcon is created. By listing the names in a alphabetical listing, it cuts down on that confussion of who came first.
Listing the most popular character first is there because chances are that character is the reason why the page is being viewed. After that, it becomes a matter of alphabetical order. --DragynWulf 00:05, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Well I have three profiles to you that need moving. They are Doorman, Doppelganger and Dorma. All of those alias have been used by other characters. Dorma is special case because in Counter-Earth there is also other counterpart of that characters so it needs a disambiguation page. Have to make that Diablo disambiguation page. I almost forgot it. --Wezqu 18:29, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

Also add to the list of those that I stated on that previous post Dragonfly, because there has been several characters using alias Dragonfly so it needs a disambiguation page. --Wezqu 19:58, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

There are only two versions of Dorma, so there isn't really a need to move that name. Just make the other profile as Dorma just like other Counter-Earth versions have been made. The rest have been moved. --DragynWulf 11:44, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

Some more characters that should be moved. Aegis, Ape, Fafnir, Fang and Spiral --Wezqu 09:19, 12 December 2006 (CST)

All done with the exception of Fang, which I am going to find out by other Mods on how we want to describe the 3 Imperial Guardsmen with the same name. --DragynWulf 00:33, 20 December 2006 (CST)

Heh this will never end it seems because I have some more characters to be moved. Baron Mordo, Baroness and Beautiful Dreamer. There is also one disambiguation page that should be moved because I accidentally made it in the wrong place and just noticed it myself. Its Eric the Red page because those characters didn't use that alias they used alias Erik the Red. Thanks for advance. --Wezqu 06:58, 20 January 2007 (CST)

i need help

could some one help me with this problem... please go to my page i will state the problem(s) very clearly thanks a million --pickelteeth 17:48, 14 July 2006 (EDT)pickelteeth

Disambig Pages

I forgot your comment about putting an example up, and went ahead and created a Doctor Doom disambig page. So if you want to fiddle with that one, which nicely fit into the Doctor Doom link, you can use that as an example. However, I was looking at it, and I realized that, if this goes through, we're going to have to make disambig pages for just about EVERYbody. Are the moderators prepared for this? It'll mean everyone with an Ultimate version will have their own disambig page. Also, what happens when the original character has the name, who do you link to? I imagined doing a Fantastic Four diambig page, but then, what do rename the original group? I can see this getting WAY out of hand... Oh, and sorry about the Doom page, I finished it and was ready to happily pat myself on the back, and then realized that I was the only one who had done that before (except for the Punisher page). PseudoSherlock 18:14, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Not every character will need a disambig page. Only the character names that have more than one character. A disambig page is to show the variety of characters that used a particular name. This way if someone is looking for a particular version of a character, they can find it on the "Spider-Man" page. So every character named Spider-Man will be on that disambig page. This includes Spider-Man (Peter Parker), Spider-Man (2099), Spider-Man (Ultimate) and every other character that went by the name "Spider-Man". They can go to taht page, look for the version they desire and then click on that link instead of searching through the People category for them.
I am going to load a Thor disambig page after I load all the images for it. Once I have that finished, you will get a better understanding of it. --DragynWulf 19:51, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Take it from me who has done most of those disambiguation pages. If you would add every different universe character to them you would have to do disambiguation page of 2/3 of the characters in this site. Is that reasonable also I would want a rule here what you can add to them and what you cant, because it seems even these moderators dont know what they want. Another says this another says that. Cant we do disambiguation pages like this: when there is two or more characters in one universe that use that same alias you can do the disambiguation page, but if it would be from alternative universe characters they should be made their own disambiguation page for that universe. You could like add a link to the Earth-616 Punisher disambiguation page to the (2099) Punisher disambiguation page or just do different one for the alternative universe characters. It just doesnt work like its now. It looks stupid quite frankly. --Wezqu 20:13, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Not every character or even 2/3rds of the characters would need a disambig page created. A disambig page is so people can go to that character name and find the exact version of a character as well as learn about other characters that share the same name. Creating a disambig page for different versions of the same character defeats the purpose of a disambig page.
The Moderators have discussed it further and having all characters that have gone by a particular character name to be shown on the disambig page. You can view the Thor page for an example of how to do them. --DragynWulf 20:42, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Ok, I fixed the Doctor Doom disambig page to match your Thor page. Although, creating it brought up more questions. Since Doom needs a disambig page, obviously, the only problem is that he is the ONLY Doctor Doom. However, it still reads "there are multiple people who have used this name." And then the only real imposter is Kristoff Vernard (who I was debating whether he was an imposter or someone who used the name). But he also says that there are multiple. So, if someone only has one 616 character and one Ultimate character, do we really need to say that there are "multiple" characters that have used the name? Do we then change it to "there is a character who used this name?" And, just to make this harder on everyone--sorry--how do you differentiate between a "real" character, who used the name, and an "imposter?" It's easy with Thor, because anyone whose had the hammer is real. But Doom? Kristoff was programmed to BE him, does that make him, him? Is an imposter someone who is KNOWINGLY copying the original, and is thereby decieving other people? Anyway, sorry this has brought up so many questions, but they'll have to be answered eventually...
[edit: After brief consideration, I'm of the opinion that the 616 and the imposter categories should be condensed, reading simply "there are multiple people who have USED this name in the 616 reality." Seeing as how an imposter is really someone else using the name. Otherwise, it's going to get ugly with "imposter vs. real" arguments. Just my opinion, hope it helps.] PseudoSherlock 12:48, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

I've added more Doctor Doom characters to the disambig page. Kristoff was Doctor Doom and is considered as being the 3rd Doctor Doom. The Doctor Doom clone was also called Doctor Doom and considered to be the 2nd character to go by that name.
Someone or something that impersonates another character like Iron Man (Anthony Stark) impersonated Cobalt Man in AVENGERS VS THUNDERBOLTS and Hawkeye impersonated Dreadknight in THUNDERBOLTS, those would go in the imposters area.
All the characters that have alternate versions in the Ultimate Universe also have alternate characters elsewhere. There are the Earth-X, 1602, 2099, MC2 and numerous other alternate realities that have different versions of characters to be added to the alternate reality area.

P.S. I'd like to point out that I honestly LOVE the idea of the disambig pages, because it's great for organizing. So please don't take all my questions as criticism, I'm just aware that there's going to be a lot of clarifying necessary before they are perfect. PseudoSherlock 12:49, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Well like I said. When there is two characters on the main universe who use the name you can make a disambig page even if the other one was just imposter. Also I liked the way Thor page was made by moving the other universe characters so that nobody get comfused witch one is in the main universe and witch isnt, but the imposter part was not needed it just looked stupid. If all the pages would be done that way it would look much more nicer. I just didnt like to see other universe characters mixing with main universe characters. Of course there can be other universe characters in the main universe part when the guy has been frequent visitor or he now lives there like Deathlok (Luther Manning). --Wezqu 13:24, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

There have been numerous characters that have been imposters of other characters. Characters that have used the identity and give the faults impression that they are the character. Someone that steals Iron Man's armor and uses it to impersonate him to robbanks would go under that area for example. Super-Adaptiod was an imposter of Fixer in AVENGERS during the Heavy Metal storyarc and would go under that area. If there have been no imposters for a character, then there is no need for that area of the page to be added.
You are correct about alternate realities that have been frequent visitors to Earth-616 and they can be included in the Earth-616 area because of that, much like the Doctor Doom (Tony Stark) character. --DragynWulf 19:19, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

One thing why does those three characters in Thor page be included? I mean Thor Kid, Thor Girl and Thordis? They didnt use name Thor so why are they listed in his disambiguation page even if the alias quite near it they didnt use it. If this is allowed then you should allow She-Venom to be part of Venom disambiguation page. Just pointing this out. --Wezqu 18:59, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Thor Kid called himself Thor, but because he was a kid people called him "Thor Kid".
Thor Girl used the Thor name for a brief time before she was called Thor Girl.
Thordis was "Thor", just in a woman's body. Jane Foster found the cane instead of Donald Blake and struck it against the ground to become "Thor", but took the name Thordis instead because "Thor" was in a woman's form. --DragynWulf 19:19, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Dibs on the Spider-Man disambig page!!! Only problem is since Spider-Man is already a re-direct to Pete Parker, it´s harder to make the disambig page. Not impossible (I´ve done it before) but I forgot exactly how I did it. Help? user:sononsj

There is already a disambig page for Spider-Man. Feel free to make the edits to it though. --DragynWulf 21:00, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Then put them as Thor alias on the link, but add those aliases to the description that they used those other aliases. Its confusing when you name them differently in a disambiguation page. If they are in disambiguation page they should be always named whit that alias not something else it just might confuse people. Also I have a little request that I noticed sometime ago. Could you delete this page Spider-man. Reason to this is that when you search "spider-man" it will go to that page and is redirected to Spider-Man (Peter Parker) page. If it wouldnt be there it would go straight to Spider-Man disambiguation page. --Wezqu 07:02, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

The redirect is because some people spell "Spider-Man" as "Spider-man" sometimes, so it is needed. I will redirect it to "Spider-Man" though. --DragynWulf

Ok, then here's my question: What about the Punisher? Who of that list is worth being called the Punisher, and who is an imposter? I'm just curious how we quantify tricking people. And as I already brought up, is Kristoff Vernard, because HE didn't know he wasn't Doom, an imposter? Or does his personal lack of deception make him a real one? Either way, I'd just like some set-in-stone qualifications for an "imposter." PseudoSherlock 09:35, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

None of the Punishers listed are imposters. They took the name by themselves for themselves. An imposter is someone trying to act like the original for a short period of time to trick or fool someone into beliveing they are the real thing. Like if someone were to put Spider-Man's costume on and act like they were the real Spider-Man. For example, the Chameleon tried to act like he was Spider-Man to get away with money.
This does not include someone taking a character's place like or even name Ben Reily with Spider-Man, Jim Rhodes with Iron Man, Rick Jones with Hulk. Each of those characters became Spider-Man, Iron Man and Hulk even though Reily and Rhodes tried to act like the originals at one point, they still became the characters.
Kristoff isn't an imposter because he was Doctor Doom even though he didn't know he wasn't. Jarvis is Crimson Cowl for the same reason. Mr. Fantastic however is a Doctor Doom imposter because he acted like he was Doom to fool others. --DragynWulf 16:27, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

Got it. Imposter = Purposeful, knowledgeable, deception. For whatever means. Thank you. :) Also, my other question is about naming. Say I want to put up a Fantastic Four diambig page...do I have to rename the Fantastic Four to something strange like Fantastic Four (616)? Individual people can (almost) all be put into the Code Name (Real Name) format, but what about teams? And do we want team disambig pages? Also, I just wanted to tell you THANK YOU for putting up with all my questions. I could just not ask them, but I feel like it's going to come up later, and be a problem. So I appreciate you being patient with me. PseudoSherlock 19:17, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

The only need for a Team diambig page for the Marvel 616 Universe versions would be cases where each team is completely different from the other. Take X-Force for example. There were three different versions of that team. X-Force with Cable, X-Force with military mutants using other mutant's names, and then X-Force/X-Statics.
Astonishing X-Men, New X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, X-Men and all others are the same team and that is "X-Men". The same can be said about the Defenders, Champions, Avengers/New Avengers, New Warriors and most teams.
As far as alternate reality versions of a team, use the same style as characters and name them after the reality they are part of. X-Men (2099), X-Men (Age of Apocolypse) and so on. --DragynWulf 22:34, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

Should There be a disambiguous page for Mimic? -- mimicx35

If there are more than one version of a character then yeah. There are two Mimic characters that have been to the Marvel 616 Universe Mimic (Calvin Rankin) and Mimic (Earth-12) (Exiles character), so feel free to make a page on them if you'd like. And since they both have been to the Marvel 616 Universe, they both go in the "There are multiple individuals who have used this name in the Marvel Universe 616 reality." section. --DragynWulf 00:27, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

What I meant when I asked about the teams names was what to name the disambig page. I'll take your X-Men example. Naturally, the page should be X-Men, but that's already the original team. How would you name the disambig page? PseudoSherlock 07:18, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Let me talk it over with other Mods and see what they think. I will get back with you on this. --DragynWulf 08:18, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Thanks. PseudoSherlock 08:36, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Images

Thanks for the help with the images. I was wondering why they were showing up so big even when I was trying to make them smaller. I can try to scan them again and upload them with the specs you gave me if you want. Also, check out the Marnot image I uploaded and let me know if that one has the same problems. So, I'll wait to hear from you before uploading the images of the Asgardian gods again. Thanks again. --acotilletta

It is up to you if you want to upload them again. So if you feel like it, feel free to do it. The Marnot image is fine. Having an image slightly larger width will cause the image to shrink to fit the standard 442 width size and along with the width, the length will also shrink the same amount the width shrinks. So if you have an image that is 500 (width) x 500 (length) it will be shrunk down to 442 (width) x 442 (length) and anyone can click on the image to view it in full size.
However, we don't want images that the images have too much width because the image will load for the viewer at the same rate it would load if you were looking at the original size (500 width). So keep it as close to 442 (width) as much as possible. --DragynWulf 23:26, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

Okay, I fixed the pic of Volla and uploaded it. Let me know if this is good, and I will do the same thing for the rest of the pictures that had to be fixed. Thanks. --acotilletta

It looks better, thanks. --DragynWulf 00:19, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Dude may I please use the your Cap pic in the heb Wikipedia pls? :) --liadx

I don't see any problem with it as long as you credit where you got it from. The artist of the foreground image is Bart Sears and the artist of the background image is Jeffrey Butler. --DragynWulf 20:38, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Nazi Party

Hey, I have a quick question. I was just reading the Nazi Party page and I noticed under "other members" that Thor's name is there. Was he really a member of the Nazi Party or is that just a mistake? If he was, I don't know what comic shows that, but if he wasn't, shouldn't his name be removed from that page? I was just curious and trying to keep the info accurate if it's not. Thanks for your time.

Not Dragynwulf, but I'll answer. During the Invaders #32 (1970's), Thor was summoned to Earth by the Nazi party and tricked into serving them (seeing how he was a Norse god and it fit in their Nordic ideals). He was told to kill Joseph Stalin on their behalf, but he was confronted by the Invaders who convinced him he was wrong and Thor left in a hurry. The encounter nearly killed Union Jack, but Thor helped him recover and that's how Jack got electrical-generation powers. --Danny Waah! 11:38, 19 July 2006 (EDT)

Oh okay, thanks for answering.

Race Template

Uhh...I didn't edit the template, I created it from nothing. And so, I take it that your re-editing of it means that you are approving my attempt/the necessity of the template? Unless you meant "don't create templates." PseudoSherlock 09:54, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

My mistake, I thought you edited the one already created and working in the system. Here is a link to it ---->Template:Species

That's ok. I didn't know one was made, sorry for ignorantly stepping on toes. Thanks for pointing me towards it. :) PseudoSherlock 10:56, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Your not stepping on toes, it is just that unless it is a format/template put into the system the information will not show up. And if there is a template made, then posters that might not know it is a template that can be used, might use it.
However it is currently still being worked on, so hold off before you use it. --DragynWulf 19:44, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

I had posted my rough draft for a similar template, but never got a response. According to Help:Posting#Templates, new template suggestions are supposed to be posted to Marvel Universe talk:Wanted. Is this still true or is there a better place to contribute to the discussion? --Lonesome Pinky 23:30, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Oh, good to know! PseudoSherlock 08:22, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

If it says to post template suggestions there, then that is the place to post them. Don't take this the wrong way, but I believe when it is said to post suggestions, it is ment to post a suggestion for a template itself, not make a template. Not that there is nothing wrong with making one, I just don't think that is what was ment is all. --DragynWulf 14:51, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

I would agree with that. Or, if you make one, only post it IN the wanted section. I apologize for making one, myself... PseudoSherlock 09:45, 23 July 2006 (EDT)

That's probably true - I suspect that they are looking for new template topics, not a complete template. In fact, I was originally going to give a mere description of what details I thought that the new template should include. However, after previewing the post I was about to submit, I decided that it was too wordy. I realized that it would be simpler to just show what I meant rather than describe it, so instead I posted my rough draft to the talk page. --Lonesome Pinky 23:53, 23 July 2006 (EDT)

Approving

I recently gained the ability to approve posts. I have trouble telling what is changed, especially when there is no summary. Is there an easier way to do this. Also, should I approve posts on other people's talk pages. --CrowHawkins 20:29, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

Well if you use the Recent changes link down there to see what people have added. There is that "diff" link next to those link in that page. Just press it and you see what has been changed in the bio. Dont approve anything you arent sure that its right. Also good idea is when aproving new bios check some other pages that it isnt copy pasted from anywhere else. I dont see any harm to approve someone post in a discussion page because they are discussion pages. Hope this helps. --Wezqu 20:38, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

The only profiles/edits anyone should be approving are their own and no one else's. Moderators will approve the profiles/edits for anyone that can not approve their own.
The reason for the Hero Points system is by the time the limit is reached to approve your own posts, a poster will have the understanding on how to make proper profiles and edits. If a poster makes an incorrect profile or edit, they will reach the point limit without understanding things and then approve their own mistakes. Something that causes more of a problem than helps in the long run. --DragynWulf 21:03, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

Why am I still gaining hero points when I make posts on discussion pages. I thought that was stopped a long time ago. (like, years) --CrowHawkins 20:31, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

OHotMU text

Hey, Dragyn Wulf. Yes you're right, I do take some of the history from OHotMU, but only to cover back history that I do not have since I don't own those comic issues, but there are a lot of profiles that I do write on my own using the comics that I do own that include the first appearance of a character to the present. I usually take pics for those profiles from the issues (whether it be comics or OHotMU) and say what sources I take them from in the summary. I didn't know I had to put where I got the info from in both summary boxes, but will do so from now on. If you would like to check out some of the profiles that I wrote totally on my own (using only comic issues) you can check some entries like Earth Force, Earth Lord, Skyhawk, Wind Warrior, Stardust, Dark Gods, Dinah Soar, In-Betweener (nice pic, by the way), Leather Boy, Monkey Joe, and Tippy Toe. I could name more, but I don't think you want to look over all my entries. If you do, let me know and I'll give you the other bios I've posted. I just feel that a character's history shouldn't be incomplete, and I don't own every single comic ever written. Not to mention the factual stat info on the characters can only come from a handook because I am not recreating a character, but posting what Marvel writer's have already created. I understand you're not saying anything bad, but if you would like me to only use the comic issues I have now for reference, then that's what I'll do, and someone can fill in the earlier histories at a later date. Just let me know. Thanks for your time.

Thunderbolts

Just a personal question, as you mention the Thunderbolts in your profile: Are the Thunderbolt comics any good? As in, all of them, or specific ones? Personally, I've always had a grudge against them as an FF fan, seeing as how they kinda stole FF Plaza. But since you seem to like them, I'm curious. Aren't they sort of a loosely held together, off-the-wall type of team? PseudoSherlock 18:34, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Well, they didn't steal the FF Plaza, it was given to them. ;)
The THUNDERBOLTS is indeed a good comic. With any title, there are going to be issues that are not as good as other ones, but then it all comes down to personal opinion. I myself have enjoyed the entire run of THUNDERBOLTS. Around the time the THUNDERBOLTS was cancelled, I didn't enjoy it as much, but it was still good.
As far as them being an off-the-wall type of team, it is kind of like the Defenders and Avengers mixed in with the Masters of Evil and that is the Thunderbolts. Zemo is still the same character as he was when he was a villain. His goals are the same, but how he reaches those goals is what makes him a hero instead of a villain. But at the same time because of how he is reaching those goals, you don't know if he is a hero or a villain. Which makes interesting stories.
MACH-IV had good intentions to reform the Thunderbolts, but when he couldn't find funding, he had no choice but to go to a villain for funding in order to continue to do good deeds.
Fixer is a character that you can always count on doing what is best for him. If stabbing someone else in the back was in his best interests at the time, he would do it in a heartbeat. But until then he will be there for you through thick and thin.
So the characters are not your average cut and dry type of characters like Spider-Man, Fantastic Four or others. There is no black and white or good and bad with the Thunderbolts because they have always lived in a gray area.
Check out the current issues from #100-104 and judge it for yourself. The current storyarc is very good and if you like that, then you'll like the series. --DragynWulf 22:26, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Using internet for stat info

Hey Dragyn Wulf. Quick question for you (or anyone else that might know an answer). I noticed that under some, if not all, of the "Inhumans" entries that the internet was used to obtain their stat info. I was under the impression that internet sites were not a good place to use info for any profile listed here. I just want to make sure that everything used here is legit and if it's not, then it should be addressed. Thank you for your time.--acotilletta

I did that, and the site I used-MarvelDatabase.com-has the same stats that this site has for the other Inhumans. So, not only did I announce that I was using the internet for their basic stats (height, weight, eye color, hair color, relatives), but if they are found to be incorrect, they can be easily changed. I also explained it specifically so that it was known that I didn't get them directly from the comics, so if it was found incorrect, only the stats would be changed, and the profile itself would not be suspect. Because the history and the powers were written thanks to actual research of the original comics (in this case Fantastic Four #44-48). But, unfortunately, the characters don't announce their height and weight, and the artist don't always make their eye color obvious. PseudoSherlock 17:31, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

I understand everything you are saying, but I was asking a mod because they are the people who know all the rules and regulations for this site. Thank you for explaining though, and even though you researched everything so thoroughly, I'll still wait to hear from one who knows better than both of us. --acotilletta

acotilletta is correct - do not use other sites as sources of information. They cannot be counted to be reliable. Stuart Vandal 18:39, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Thank you for clearing that up. I appreciate it. --acotilletta

Ha! Alright, though if I didn't quote my sources (as I was told to) no one would ever notice, because the guy from that site uses information from the old Handbooks. But I'll go erase all the stats, and someone else can fill them back in later. Because anything that I haven't written myself, should be erased, correct? PseudoSherlock 06:59, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

There you go. I removed the height & weight from the five bios which I used an invalid internet source to borrow from. In the future, I promise I will only write things that I have personally read, not copied from elsewhere, and make sure to weed out anything that I can't personally verify. PseudoSherlock 07:15, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

Klaw, Blastaar, and Dragon Man

Thank you for the images! They are much appreciated. You and Danny both do some good images! I realized, after talking to him, that I was also a fan of yours, but didn't want to look like I was fawning on everyone by asking if you could add some for me, too. :) But I definitely appreciate it, especially since the ones you picked were major guys that deserve pictures. As for the periods, I once asked ComiX-Fan if I should be putting one or two, as two is (obviously) proper grammar. He suggested I stick with proper grammar. So you're welcome to go through my profiles and correct them all, but it's probably not worth it. If you look closely, you can't even see the difference between one and two on the actual bio. My guess would be that it treats two spaces as one, and therefore it's irrelevant. However, I don't want to get in the habit of only using one space, so I'm going to continue to put in two. It just makes me more comfortable. Sorry... PseudoSherlock 14:46, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Yup. I just tested it. You can put a hundred spaces in between words, and without a carriage return it just appears as one space. So, if you don't mind too much, I'm going to continue to type normally. PseudoSherlock 15:46, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

No problem with the images. I enjoy making them and was working on images for my website anyways.
About the spaces after a period. If Comix-Fan said that you should stick to using proper grammer (which is one space after a period), then don't you think you should do that instead of ignoring him and doing what you want?
It will save other people time when making additions to profiles you've created and correcting the same mistake (which technically isn't a mistake if you are doing it on purpose).
On another note, it may work with your browser, but might not work with someone else's browser. Which is another reason why we'd like standard grammer used. --DragynWulf 18:11, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Umm...you misunderstood. If you look at his Discussion Page, under "Punctuation," I said: "I've seen people use one, and I tend to go with the basic grammar rule and use two. Any suggestions?" He replied: "No real policy, though probably best to stick to established grammatical rules." I didn't ignore him, he agreed with me. HOWEVER, I just looked it up, and apparently standard English rules have changed (since the dis-use of the typewriter) to having only one space after a period. I was taught by people from a different generation who used two, and apparently I've been wrong ever since. As for different browsers, maybe you misunderstood again. I'm not saying it "appears" as if two is the same as one, but the wiki actually converts it to the EXACT same distance. Feel free to look at the code on this sentence. I've spaced the words out to COMPLETELY unreasonable lengths, and wiki automatically translates it to one space. So no matter HOW I punctuate it, it translates into the same format. And so it doesn't matter, because it simply CAN'T appear any other way. But I'm going to have to rethink my definition of standard English formatting...I apologize for my misunderstanding. However, do note that I wasn't ignoring ComiX-Fan, but I was previously in agreement with him. PseudoSherlock 18:36, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Standard grammer rules have been the use of one period for years. Even when I was in elementary and high school taking typing classes, it was the same then and I'm not that old.
As for Comix-Fan agreeing with you, he didn't agree with you. He only said that there was no real policy, but best to use established grammatical rules and established grammatical rules is one space after a period.
I understood what you were saying when talking about browsers, however all browsers do not work the same. What might look one way when using IE, might not look the same when using Netscape, Foxfire or any other browser because each browser reads HTML (internet coding) differently. --DragynWulf 18:58, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

The MLA, APA, and CMS all agree on having one space after a period. However, there was a convention, dating back from the days of the typewriter, to have two spaces after sentence-terminating punctuation for certain fixed-width fonts. [1] I don't know how this practice managed to outlive the typewriter; some English teacher somewhere must still be advocating it. --Lonesome Pinky 04:20, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Ok, I'll reword what I said about ComiX-Fan: He didn't DIS-agree with me. :) Anyway, I appreciate you mentioning that Pinky, because MLA was the next place I was going to look to see if they have also changed over. So, apparently I'm completely out of date...though if it explains it, my mother (who was an editor) was born in the late 1930s, and I've used typewriters before, so that's probably why I still believe in the two spaces. Again, I apologize Dragyn, I wasn't aware that it was a change in standard English usage. Which is funny, because I'm an English Major and a writer... PseudoSherlock 06:48, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Feel free to double-check the MLA. I'm merely parroting Wikipedia, so there's certainly the possibility of error. Cheers, Lonesome Pinky 06:55, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

I also caught the same thing. Apparently the average person still sticks to two spaces, however all publishers and magazine printers use only one space. Which is funny, because I've noticed this over the years, but figured it was just how they looked when printed. Though I also e-mailed an English Professor of mine from my old University to see what he has to say on the subject. But, seeing as how the wiki obviously wants it to be one space, no matter what, I might as well start writing as one on all my profiles. I just, now, concerned if I need to do this in ALL my writing. PseudoSherlock 08:36, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

The average person uses one space. You can check numerous message boards as wellas various profiles here and also find this to be true. The only one I've seen use two spaces is yourself. --DragynWulf 11:18, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Wow...you must be young. Especially since writing does not wholly exist on message boards and profiles. I even went through various typing classes when I was in high school, and two spaces was always standard. Though they may be teaching something different these days. But, as mentioned, the two spaces after a full stop was used originally for typewriters. And I'm guessing you've never used an actual, physical, typewriter. You can look up this very concise explanation from the Chicago Manual of Style website: "http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/cmosfaq.OneSpaceorTwo.html." Apparently, the gist is that in the new computer age (which I grew up slightly before) the need for a second space is no longer necessary, as it makes electronic documents less readable. But the people who use two spaces include the French (it's often called the French spacing), people who were born before 1985ish (including the afore-mentioned colleagues of the CMOS copy editor, in their own correspondance), and me. But I'll restrain my natural use of it on here (as I have started to do, and retracted from former bios), in order to more-efficiently write online. PseudoSherlock 14:25, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Actually, judging by his profile, DragynWulf and I are the same age. Consequently, I would hesitate to call either of us young, at least in comparison to my perception of the average age of the Marvel Universe contributor. I personally learned to type on a non-electric typewriter (thank God for modern technology). But, I must have slept through the French spacing rule. In any event, isn't the point moot? MediaWiki follows standard HTML practice and ignores trailing spaces beyond the first one. I've checked on Netscape and IE (I'm too lazy to download Firefox) and the second space is invisible to readers of the article. I can't imagine that any browser would break such a basic HTML convention, although I also can't authoritatively rule it out. I still compulsively correct the spacing whenever I run across it, but that's just me. Cheers, Lonesome Pinky 01:54, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

I took typing class in high school using an actual typewriter and it was one space after a period then. After that I took computer class, you had to take typing before you could take computer class (back when a floppy disk was a squared piece of material that could actually "flop" around side-to-side) and still one space was used after a period. --DragynWulf 04:19, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Judging from his profile, I ALSO thought he was older. Which is why I was so confused. My guess is that both of you are probably around the same age I am, which is mid-to late 20's. We also had those floppy disks back then. But I'm totally mystified that you never used two spaces. I e-mailed a friend of mine who recently finished a college degree himself, and has been an English major and is a script writer. His immediate response when I told him about the one space was "That's ridiculous!" So, maybe it's an area thing. I'm originally from WA state, and my g/f here in MA also has never heard of one-spacing. Are either of you from the middle of the country, or something? Because I am totally confounded about this... PseudoSherlock 09:05, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Heh. We're a little bit older than you are. Remember, Nixon was President. Actually, the music clues make it even more specific. As far as the locality, I'm a Left Coaster (California), but I was never taught to use French spacing. So, it's probably not a West Coast thing. Wikipedia is neutral on the issue of "one space or two", but then they also allow English spelling for words like "colour". --Lonesome Pinky 19:19, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

I'm afraid I only caught Carter...and it's possible that it's just state-by-state. Wikipedia may be some-what neutral, but the format itself forces a single space, so that's really their final say on the matter. Honestly, I'm shocked that you would NEVER be taught two spaces...seeing as how it was the computer that changed it, and computers weren't influencing anything when Nixon was President. PseudoSherlock 08:35, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

I blame California schools. --Lonesome Pinky 16:57, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Suits me. On a similiar note, my old English Professor said that academics (and people with typewriters) use two spaces, and publishers/online people use one. So, apparently it's cause I went to college... PseudoSherlock 08:00, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Villians

If it wouldn't take too long, it would be a big relief to me if you changed "villians" at the top of the Marvel U page to its correct spelling. Not to take advantage of your mod status, but I've seen people talking about it in a lot of places, and I was hoping that you could fix the problem. --abcdefghijklmno 22:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

This is something that Pete would have to take care of since he is in charge of everything for Marvel.com. And because he works on the entire website (updates, solicitations, blogs, encyclopedia and everything else), he can be busy very fast. He knows about it and will get to it when he can find the time to fit it in. --DragynWulf 23:47, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Yeah Pete is like a pope in here. All mighty. :P --Wezqu 07:41, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Creating a page from scratch

Hey Dragyn Wulf. I have a quick question for you. I want to make a disambig page for two characters that don't currently have one. How do I go about doing that? --acotilletta

I'm not sure if you want to know the entire process or part of it, so I will let you know about the entire process just to be safe
The best way to do it is to go to a disambig page that already exists, edit it and then cut & paste that information where you will do the typing. Change the text to fit the new character you are making the disambig page for. Then create a link to the character's general name (like Spider-Man, Thor or Hulk) and then paste the information there. Preview it and then if it looks correct, save it. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. --DragynWulf 10:25, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Thank you for the help and when I put them up, I'll let you know so you can make sure I did them correctly. --acotilletta

Hello again Dragyn Wulf. I just wanted to let you know that I put up two disambig pages. One for Blacklash and one for Whiplash that both lead to a Whiplash (Mark Scarlotti) page. I told you I would let you know so you could check the disambigs to make sure I posted them the correct way. If you want to take a look and let me know, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. --acotilletta

All discription text should go after the " - ". Scarlotti went from using the name Whiplash to Blacklash back to Whiplash and then was killed by the Iron Man armor. Other than that, it was fine. --DragynWulf 08:30, 7 August 2006 (EDT)

I myself usually check disambiguation pages that have been made and edit or add characters to the pages. Like I did to the Whiplash and Blacklash pages. Just to point this out that there is no need for empty rows between the characters. Just do them right under each other so the page doesnt look so long. --Wezqu 08:36, 7 August 2006 (EDT)

Thank you for checking Dragyn Wulf. --acotilletta

making a bio for yourself (or myself in this case)

Hey Dragyn Wulf. I have another quick question for you. I tried to put a bio up for myself just to keep track of my contributions, but I think I put it in the wrong place. I'm not completely sure if it is wrong, but when I look at the bottom of a page I contributed to, the link to my name is not blue. There is also a contents list on top like you would find where your messages are, and I don't know where that came from. Could you do me a favor and look to see what I did incorrectly, and let me know so I could fix it? Thanks. I appreciate it. --acotilletta

Seems to me you got it figured out or is there something you need help with? --DragynWulf 07:58, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

It's not blue because you don't have the ability to auto-approve yet. It's not the same as the red/blue links in profiles, it's simply an indicator of your approval level. PseudoSherlock 09:08, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Sorry, I was a bit tired when I replied the first time and overlooked some of your questions.
The reason why the link to your name is red and not blue is because it is spelt differently. "Acotilletta" is how it is spelt for the Userpage that you filled and was approved. "acotilletta" is the red link. Are you signing in using a capital "A" or small "a" from time to time?
The contents list is there because you have the two equal signs on each side of a phrase. This creates a content list automatically. The reason I don't have on on my Userpage is because I have the text in an HTML table. I can fix this for you if you'd like and try and fix the link to your name problem as well if you'd like me to. --DragynWulf 10:17, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Dragyn...he's talking about the link that we all get on the bottom of every bio that we've contributed to. You can see his name at the bottom of your talk page. He's confused why it is red, instead of blue. Which isn't a failed link, it's because he isn't an approver. You can even click on his name down there, and it comes up with his bio. PseudoSherlock 10:41, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for taking a look Dragyn Wulf. To answer your question, when I sign in I'm pretty sure I always use the "acotilletta" with the lower case "a". I'm really don't know how the capital "A" got there. If you have some time and you don't mind fixing this for me, that would be great. If it's too much trouble, the contents list can stay I guess. I just really wanted the name on the contributers list at the bottom of a page to be directed to my bio. Psuedo says it works already, but if it doesn't I'd appreciate if you could fix it or tell me how to fix it. Thanks again. --acotilletta]

PseudoSherlock, I know he was talking about the red name at the bottom. If you look it is spelt with a capital "A" on his Userpage, but his signature (which is shown at the bottom of a page and everywhere else) is with a little "a". When you click on Acotilletta his name will be in blue because it takes you to his created Userpage that starts with a capital "A". When you click on the name with a small "a", it takes you to a page to edit. The difference is one is a small "a" and the other is a capital "A".
If you look at the main page you can find Pete's name (he is the same person and has approval ability) spelt two different ways. One is blue and one is red. The red one has a small "p" and the blue one has a capital "P". It is how you spell your name.
The samething can been seen with the newly created Userpage for magnificent bone. When a Userpage is created, the first letter is capitalized and it becomes different than the original text that has a small letter.

acotilletta, it doesn't work because it leads to a different page. The Userpage you created is here: Acotilletta and the one with the small letter is here: acotilletta, which leads to a page to still be edited. I don't think I can fix it. Only suggestion I can think of is signing up again and capitalizing your User name. --DragynWulf 13:19, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for getting back to me. I don't want to sound stupid, but when you say sign up again and capitalize my user name...Do you mean delete this user name I have now and reregister with the site with a different user name? --acotilletta

Yeah, Dragyn's right, just like sononsj and pete, their names are always treated like non-links. And if you click on them, it takes you to an edit of their profile, instead of the profile itself. Though you can just click "User Page" at the top, because it's still the same profile. However, acotilleta, if it really bothers you, you would have to resign-up with a new name, that is capitalized. Though I would guess from Pete that you can't use Acontilleta anymore, you'd have to use Acontilleta2, or something else. Oh, and sorry Dragyn, about misunderstanding exactly what the issue was and jumping on you about it. PseudoSherlock 14:48, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Hello again Dragyn Wulf. I have finally registered again under the name acotilletta2, and I want to make a bio for myself there, but before I do I figured I would ask what to do in order to make sure the same mix up doesn't happen again. Should I contribute something under the new name and then follow the link at the bottom of the page I contributed to in order to get to the correct page to place a bio, and I also wanted to ask if it is possible to link my old user name and new user name to go to the same bio page? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. --acotilletta

Adding a number to the name will not help fix the problem you want fixed. "acotilletta" and "acotilletta2" or even "acotilletta1000" will still result in the same problem. If you want to fix the problem so you have a Userpage accessible when clicking on your name, you need to have the new name with a capital letter like "Acotilletta3" (I say 3 because you already used 2, but you can use any number other than 2). This will allow everyone to click on your name and take you to your Userpage. However, by creating a new name, your Hero Points will start from 0 again. --DragynWulf 17:37, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Hauptmann

I was going to create a bio for Hauptmann, one of Doom's scientists, when I noticed that him and his brother were given first names in Doom's profile. I looked into this and found that the names were made up by a database website's creator, as neither were originally given first names. So I corrected the mistake in Doom's profile, and named the profiles Hauptmann (Nazi) and Hauptmann (Doom), though I only created the first (I haven't read the FF issues with his brother, yet). I named them that because there was NO other way to identify them, except that the first was originally a Nazi, and the second only worked for Doom. Does that work for you? PseudoSherlock 13:18, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Gustav would be the one you labeled "Nazi" and Gert would be the names to use for "Doom". I will move the name for the Nazi version to Gustav. --DragynWulf 13:29, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Umm...those names were created by this site: http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/hauptmanngert.htm. You can read his explanation of how HE made up the names, because there weren't any in the books. So, in other words, we're using information made up by a website creator, instead of a Marvel writer? PseudoSherlock 14:17, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Nevermind...I see by the latest FF Handbook entries that they have officially named them Gert and Gustav. So, apparently that guy got his names into the continuity...good for him. PseudoSherlock 19:47, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Just to let you know, the Appendix to the Marvel Universe website is owned and operated by the OHotMU Head Writer/Coordinator. --DragynWulf 09:05, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Alright, well what I read was from the "Unofficial Appendix," which closed down in 2004. Apparently, the same guy appears to later work with the "Official Appendix," though what I was reading was not the same. It's possible that he hasn't cleaned up all his old links, and hasn't changed the website name from "MARVUNAPP," which clearly implies it's the unofficial one. PseudoSherlock 11:01, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

On that page I linked, he actually says: "If I ever get to cover the characters in an Encyclopedia or otherwise for Marvel, I'll make it canon." Which would not lead me to believe that his site was anything official or connected to Marvel in any way. PseudoSherlock 11:04, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

A few things.
-You say you got your information from the Appendix to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe (Umm...those names were created by this site:), then say you got it from a website that has not been online since 2004. Which is the case?
-And as I previously stated, the Appendix is operated and owned by the OHotMU Head Writer/Coordinator Jeff Christiansen. If you would like to read it on the website, it can be found in the Masters of the Obscure link on the main page (here is a link) where he states he works on the OHotMU Handbooks for Marvel. Knowing that he works on the Handbooks and stating "If I ever get to cover the characters in an Encyclopedia or otherwise for Marvel, I'll make it canon." kind of lets you know that his site is connected to Marvel, especially since the same information that started this conversation got put into the FANTASTIC FOUR 2005 Handbook.
With that said, it does not mean that "everything" on the website is cannon and it should be used as "the" source of information. Some of it is done to help him organize the website, some things are not official (mainly names in quoatations) and the alternate realities without a designated number are not cannon either because they need a designated reality number to go by instead of a name. --DragynWulf 12:48, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Ok...well, your first dash: Touche, I read: "As of the October 2004, Danny has closed his site. We will relink when he brings it back, should he do so." But that is specifically referring to the unofficial part of it which includes mainstream characters. So I guess I read the wrong thing. Second dash: And no, the word "if" doesn't even slightly imply that what it modifies is true, that's why we use "if" and not "since." And I didn't intend to use any of it, I just couldn't figure out why the Doom profile had first names, and I used google, and found those pages, which (since they had quotes like you mentioned) I figured weren't official. But I later looked up the handbooks, and see that they did have it made official. So I apologize that I didn't read the handbooks that the Doom profile is stolen directly out of first, and then I would have known it was official. Next time, I'll search everywhere I can.

But this is the exact reason why I put it on your user page instead of just assuming I was right. Because I realized that I could have been wrong, and so when you said "it's just that way," I had to point out that-as far as I was aware-it was just from the website. In other words, I'm trying to turn to you directly for help if I have a problem, seeing as how you seem to be the active moderator. I assume that's what you'd prefer, right? And I was only upset that the implication was that I was ignoring the continuity facts or should have known that the site was official. I'm annoying that way; I apologize. PseudoSherlock 18:29, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Imperfects

I know we've been all over this topic but would someone beable to make a bio on the 6 or 7 part (I can't remember how many issues there were) series that Marvel put out. Wouldn't Marvel need licencing for that. I was just wondering. --CrowHawkins 19:39, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Marvel needs to own the characters in order to put them in the Handbooks and on the website. Since those characters were licenced property (which means can be used for specific things during a specific amount of time), much like the Conan, Red Sonja, Transformers, G.I. Joe, and many other characters, they can't be included here. It is just like Marvel was licenced to produce a comic with DC in them with JLA/AVENGERS and DC with AVENGERS/JLA. --DragynWulf 09:14, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Created Categories

Thank you! Thanks to your profile, I figured out how to link a category without simply adding my profile to it. Much appreciated. PseudoSherlock 11:25, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

No problem at all. --DragynWulf 11:28, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Where did my edit go?

I just added a few significant issues to the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning 10 days ago, and they weren't approved yet. Is that because they were inaccurate, or has no one looked at them yet?--abcdefghijklmno 10:17, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

Chances are it just hasn't gotten looked at. This has been a busy week for everyone. OHotMU A-Z profiles had to be turned in and I've been working on the Data Corrections. Or the possibility that it was only a preview version and not a submitted version. Sometimes it will automatically take you to the preview page instead of submitting it. A small warning will show at the top to let you know if it is a preview. --DragynWulf 20:49, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

New Page

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how do you get to a place where you can create a new page. I know about templates and stuff, but where do you put them? --abcdefghijklmno 10:59, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

When making a new profile, the way I do it is I go to my Userpage, type a link to the character name like this -----> Hawkeye, then click the "preview button" at the bottom of the page and it will create a link to that character name. Once you've clicked on that, it will take you to an area where you can create the profile. All profiles/names that are in red, have not been created yet. All those in blue have already been created.
Hope this helps you understand things a little better. If not the feel free to ask questions. --DragynWulf 20:49, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

Also you can check to see if the thing you want to make a page on is in the "Wanted" section. --CrowHawkins 20:34, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

RE: Spellchecking

Hey, got the message about my need for spellchecking before I have my pages approved. Is there anyway I can look over what I already had written on the profile?
And sorry. Normally, I'm a real good speller. My face is kinda red about that.

Sorry, I am unable to show you what you previously had written. We suggest that you save profiles on a writing type program like Word, Word Perfect, Notepad or something similar in case something like this happens.
I can tell you that the spelling of the words themselves were correct, however you had numerous words bunched together to make one word instead of two. Here is an example of what I am talking about, "AvengersTower" should be "Avengers Tower" and "hedemonstrated" should have been "he demonstrated".
And no need to be embarrassed about the typos, it is a common mistake I use them all the time on message boards because there really isn't need to proof spelling. --DragynWulf 17:04, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

Heroes Reborn

I was recently reminded of a question I asked elsewhere with the Onslaught Reborn #1 coming out. What is your opinion of the Heroes Reborn universe as bios? Are the characters in Counter-Earth separate characteres that deserve bios, or are their lives there part of the original heroes biography? Obviously, some, like Namor, existing wholly within Counter-Earth (at least, I believe there was a Namor on Counter-Earth and a Namor on Earth at the same time). And, given that, how would you structure their bio? Something like Namor (Counter-Earth), or Namor (Heroes Reborn)? Anything you can suggest would be helpful, as I'm tempted to write up some. Also, the characters that appeared at the end of the Heroes Reborn series from Image comics can't be put on here, correct? As their likenesses were only borrowed... PseudoSherlock 13:02, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

Until the ONSLAUGHT REBORN limited series comes out, all characters are the Marvel 616 Universe versions since that is what is currently written. Once the limited series comes out and an alternate reality is created with the limited series (as mentioned in interviews), then the characters can be distinguished from the Marvel Universe characters just like any other alternate reality character would and get a designated Earth, but not until then.
The characters that are on Counter-Earth fall under the Counter-Earth area such as Thunderbolts (Counter-Earth) because that will not change. But these are characters that were introduced either during, after HEROES REBORN and HEROES RETURN. So the Black Knight (Counter-Earth), Radioactive Man (Counter-Earth), Masters of Evil (Counter-Earth) and Dr. Doom's henchmen would all go under Counter-Earth.
You are correct about the Image characters. Much like the Amalgam characters, they are not owned by Marvel and can not have profiles created for them. --DragynWulf 13:34, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

In other words, Onslaught's appearance will-technically-split the original Heroes Reborn entities off from their original personas, and make them unique, separate individuals? Like, Mister Fantastic was always himself, but now his persona from Counter-Earth will be torn from his past and created into a separate being, which only has the history set down in the Heroes Reborn series, as well when he is brought back, correct? Which is nice and confusing. :) I don't think I know anything about the Thunderbolts characters you're referring to, though I get the general gist. I figured as much with the Image characters, which is sort of a shame. I had a friend who was a huge WILDCATS fan at the time, and I was really amusing that the huge purple guy was part of the FF. Oh well... PseudoSherlock 14:50, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

All of this is based on what the writer said in an interview, which could change when the limited series is released.
Nothing will be torn from any character. The only thing that will happen is another realtiy will be created at a particular moment in time simular to a WHAT IF...? story where something changed and another timeline (which creates another reality) is created because of that change. So the Avengers, Fantastic Four, Hulk and everyone else involved will remain the same and be the same characters from HEROES REBORN/RETURN. These will just be new characters that never returned to the regular Earth and continued to live on a world that never became Counter-Earth.
So any character that is from the HEROES REBORN, HEROES RETURN, Heroes Return one-shots like HEROES RETURN: MASTERS OF EVIL, HEROES RETURN: DOOM (there were two separate issues), HEROES RETURN: YOUNG ALLIES, HEROES RETURN: REMNANTS and what took place in THUNDERBOLTS involving Counter-Earth like the Thunderbolts (Counter-Earth), that are not main characters were created by Franklin Richards and get their separate profile.
If it is too confussing for you, I can give the list of names that do not get separate profiles so you know who not to make a Counter-Earth profile for. --DragynWulf 20:00, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

I just hadn't heard about the other Counter-Earth comics after they returned. I'm only really interested in the ones surrounding the Fantastic Four, so I'll just wait until the new comics come out, and I'll pick them up and verify that the FF are there and amble to have their own HR bios made. Thank you, though. PseudoSherlock 07:55, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Galactus and all of his hearlds, the Inhumans, and Black Panther can be created since they were all created by Franklin Richards. Galactus (Counter-Earth), Black Panther (Counter-Earth) and so on would be the name of the characters. So it's up to you. --DragynWulf 12:50, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

As well as Wolverine, She-Hulk, Alicia Masters, Abomination, and maybe Namor, though I forget if he jumped in. Also, wasn't Hulk split, and existed in both worlds? I don't remember... PseudoSherlock 17:23, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Nevermind, turns out that Wolverine and She-Hulk were glimpsed from a (possibly third) dimension from Heroes Reborn. I doubt they even have an Earth for it... And after reading your Thunderbolts/Young Allies profiles I have a further question. In those it says that they took the place of the heroes who came back. So...when Onslaught Reborn comes out, are the original hereos (FF, Avengers, etc) going to be placed into a rewritten Counter-Earth (Franklin Richards), or is a SECOND Counter-Earth (which is a mentally-painful idea) going to be created in which they exist? In other words, are they going to be the same as the (Counter-Earth) bios, or will a whole new series have to be written? Sorry about all the questions, by the way, and I appreciate you taking time to answer them. I'm interested in this, but confused how it's going to play out, format-wise. PseudoSherlock 17:26, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

Once ONSLAUGHT REBORN is released, it will create a different reality. One that split from the characters from the Heroes Reborn world before it became Counter-Earth or anything remotely resembling Counter-Earth. The writer is going to write it as though the heroes never returned to Earth and that world continued. So it will become a new Earth and have a newly designated Earth number (Earth-22009487 for example) for that new reality.
All the heroes from the Earth-616 will remain the same and be the same characters that were in HEROES REBORN/RETURN.
However, what the writer said in an interview could be wrong so once the limited series is released, then we can worry about who gets what name. Until then all the heroes are the same heroes from Earth-616 universe. --DragynWulf 19:36, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

Mercenary Category

Hey, I was wondering if there would be a category for mercenaries. There certainly seems to be a good number of them in the Marvel Universe, be it former or current (Deadpool, Elektra, Bushman, Rauol, Taskmaster, Moon Knight, Cage, Luke, etc.)
I tried to make the page, but it didn't go through for some reason. --brokenstatue

I agree that there should be a Mercenary category and even created one myself about awhile ago, however other Mods disageed. So majority rules in cases like this and it was out voted.
And just so you know, the character goes by "Bushman" and not his real name "Rauol Bushman". --DragynWulf 00:14, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Skrulls

FYI, the last time I saw the Skrulls bio it had been created using the non-functioning race bio, and so the actual source had tons of information, but it didn't show up properly because it was using a non-existent template. I was tempted to fix it, or use the team template, but I figured someone with more authority had done it, and I didn't want to get involved in that. But it's possible that-since then-it was re-edited; that's just the last condition I saw it in. PseudoSherlock 12:06, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

I realize that it was created using a template that is not ready to be used and because the template is not ready to be used, I deleted it. The entire template might change, stay the same or whatever, but as long as no information shows up, then there is no point to having it. It gives the impression to new posters or posters just trying to mess around that a template for a character itself (with no information showing) can be approved. Something that we don't want.
Also by deleting the profile it deletes a category not being used because the template is not ready TO be used. --DragynWulf 13:40, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

Makes sense. When I get around to it, I'll throw up a basic Skrulls bio as I've caught enough stuff about them from the first 100 or so Fantastic Four issues. Thanks for the info, and making a decision on the bio, which had been bothering me. :) PseudoSherlock 15:02, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

Then wouldn't it have been better to simply reset it to the team template?! Or if you were to busy being a mod now, you could have at least told me and I would have done it myself! How was I supposed to know the template wasn't approved! sononsj 21:48, 9 September 2006 (EDT)

When the template was created it was stated in the summary area that it was not ready to use and not approved yet. Within minutes after the template was uploaded, the Skrulls profile was created using that template. If the team template was used to make the profile prior to that and was just altered by chnaging the template around and leaving the exisiting information, it didn't show up due to the template getting changed. It registered as a new profile and therefore deleted because it wasn't ready to use.
Not everyone can be told what was done wrong with a profile or edit on thier Usertalk page, which is why there is also a summary so posters can see what is going on as well as the Moderators.
As for me being busy as a Mod... sorry if I don't spend hours upon hours online doing one particular thing. I jump from the message boards to working on the Handbooks to here to stop it from being an eye sore and just plan boring. I do what I can when I can.
Also Moderators shouldn't also be expected to clean up a mess made by posters who have self-approval rights. They were given to posters because by the time they get self-approval rights, they know how the system works and how to make proper profiles. If you are not sure about something, ask first before doing it. --DragynWulf 16:12, 10 September 2006 (EDT)

Questions

Hi, first of all thanks for the tips on the templates, I managed to get a couple of bios approved. My question is simple, I uploaded a couple of pics, and subsequently edited the bios where I wanted the pics (one being the Pixe (Eternal) bio I added). Right after that I did some modifications on the Moonstone (Karla Sofen) bio. The Moonstone modifications were almost instantly approved, but I still haven't gotten any reply on the Pixie (Eternal) edit, or the Storm edit I did (I found a HUGE mistake in the bio, and I updated it and added some stuff that was missing too). Why is this? Why is it that some of my stuff was approved and other stuff wasn't approved? Or hasn't it been checked yet? Also, I did create a username bio for myself, and it was approved, so why is it that the link still appears red as if it wasn't there? Any help will be greatly appreciated, I really want to know all this so I can keep adding stuff to the site. Valechan 5 September 2006 (EDT)

Hi. I'm not Dragynwulf, but I'll answer as I approved your Moonstone bio. First of all, I'm much more familiar with Moonstone's history so I didn't need to research or fact-check your entry. Most of the time, mods have to fact-check before they can approve stuff. Also, your entries still had many grammatical errors, including capitalization and syntax, so although I approved it, I still had to go in and tweak the wording. Some mods don't like to do this (or, more likely, have no time to do this) and will only approve of entries that are closer to 100% correct. As for your Pixie (Eternal) picture, it still seemed very pixelated to me, and there are very high quality standards in regards to pictures. I was thinking of correcting the picture and re-posting it, but it is not a priority and my time, again, is limited. I hope that this has answered your questions about the approvals. Be patient and the mods will hopefully get to more of your stuff soon. I like the info you've added and look forward to more. --Danny Waah! 20:12, 5 September 2006 (EDT)

No problem on the template tip. Since you reposted the same question, I will add to what Danny said and maybe it will help you a little more.
The situation with approval of edits/profiles is simple. We want this to be the best source online for all Marvel characters and want all the information to be accurate. Because of that, Moderators don't approve something they don't know about. For example, I seen that you did a very large edit to the Storm bio, but I don't know that much about the character to approve it so I have to leave it for another Moderator that knows about the character. However I know about the Moonstone (Thunderbolts in general) and Pixie characters very well and can approve that easily.
The Pixie image wasn't approved because images need to be at least 442 pixils in width. If the width is any smaller, the image will be stretched and not look very good (or pixelated as Danny said), which is something we don't want. Feel free to resubmit it with a width of 422 if you'd like.
As for your name appearing in red, it is because when you signed up you used a small "v" instead of a capital "V". All userpage links are with a capital letter. User:Valechan and not User:valechan. You will notice it is the sameway with every userpage that the user used a small letter for their handle/name.
Hope this helps you understand things a little more. If you have anymore questions, please feel free to ask. --DragynWulf 01:48, 6 September 2006 (EDT)

Thanks a lot, this does help. I will try to be less enthusiastic next time and check the grammar before posting. I'll see if I can find a better scan of Pixie with the right size. Thanks guys :D Valechan 9:00, 6 September (EDT)

Hi again! I made a new Pixie (Eternal) picture, is this one better than the last? I hope it gets approved... in the meantime I'm waiting for a couple of bios to get approved to. I do have a question. In the old Handbooks, characters with the same name used to have a I or II. I created the Feron bio, and I kinda want to do the original Feron bio (who used to be Feron I), what should I name him? I thought of Feron (Otherworld), but I'd really like to know. Oh, and sorry for editing thispage a while back, I had no clue at first how to post here... I am sort of embarrased about it, but I've learnt from my mistakes (or so I hope). Valechan 19:23, 7 September (EDT)

The only problem with the Pixie image is that the file size is too large (177MB). The desired file size is a maximum of 130MB (I believe, it gives a warning when uploading the image).
I will ask the other Mods about Feron since I believe one was called "Feron2", but both come from Eaerth-616 and were brothers.
Don't worry about editing the page. It took me a little time to understand how to make profiles, edits and discussion pages also. --DragynWulf 01:22, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

I'll see if I can change the size of the image, but it might loose quality... About Feron... the original Feron was from Otherworld, and the same race as Merlyn (and by extension Roma). He, Necrom and Merlyn traveled to the 616 reality in order to create the energy matrix. Feron contacted the Phoenix Force and asked it (really nicely from what I've heard) to duplicate a tower throughout the Multiverse. Seconds later, as the energy matrix began to form, Necrom stole a portion of the Phoenix Force from Feron, and tried to take over, but he was defeated by Merlyn. The Phoenix Force was wounded and left the Earth quite scared from what it says in Excalibur 52... anyway Feron chose to remain on Earth 616 and await for the PHoenix Force's return. He obviously died several milennia later, but he left descendants, and his last descendant (named after him of course) is the one that joined Excalibur, and whose bio I did. In the past they were called Feron I and Feron II, but that system isn't used anymore :(. Hope this clears it up :D Also... I was so outraged when I saw Wanda's bio!!!! WHo could have created such a small bio for Wanda??? By the Goddess!!! Immediately I grabbed my handbooks (old and new) and began adding stuff and wrote some stuff that was missing from them as well. That is the second of my favorite chars that has a less than adequate bio, so I'm gonna start searching the site to see who else needs some tweaking. Thanks a lot for approving it quickly, I am a very impatient person and waiting for approval kills me :p Valechan 11:59, 8 September (EDT)

I asked the other Moderators and "Feron (modern era)" and "Feron (Merlyn associate)" are the names to list them under. I was confussing those characters with Ferro and Ferro2 of Crazy Gang/Technet for some reason.
Anyone can create a history for any character no matter if it is a long profile or shorter version. There is no right or wrong way (unless it is just too short with no bio info to go with it), because not everyone knows everything about every character.
Well patience is something you will have to have here. Not all profiles/edits can be approved right away. ALso if you happen to use the OHotMU Handbooks as were you got your information from, in the future please site that as your source. --DragynWulf 12:27, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

I used some info for the Wanda bio, how should I add it? In the Summary? Also, I was able to lower the file size of that Pixie pic, and yes I will be patient :p. I'll work on the Feron (Merlyn associate) bio then, seeing as I already created the other one (though it is named just "Feron". It is understandable to confuse them, Ferro is one of the enemies of Excalibur, and if you didn't read those books you might confuse them (same thing happens to me with Spidey's supporting cast, seeing as I never read his books). Valechan

Me again, I found some broken links in the Excalibur page, and I did an edit with the correct links, I didn't do any other corrections... why wasn't that approved? And hey, my Pixie image is up, I'm happy :D Valechan 23:02, 8 September (EDT)

As I mentioned earlier, you have to be patient. Most of the Moderators are OHotMU Handbook writers and have deadlines to meet along with their normal job and personal lives. The others are volunteers who have personal lives and jobs and also write profiles. All of the Mods here are also Moderators at the message boards. We get to them when we have the time, but that also doesn't mean that we ignore them either. So, just be patient and they will be gotten to. --DragynWulf 23:06, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

I'ts cool :D I asked only because I thought I wasn't supposed to edit links or something like that, it's nice to know that's not the case. And now I see why the boards are in the shape they are, some of the posters have to banned, really, some posts are just moronic. Thanks again and sorry for the inconvenience. Valechan 10:56, 9 September (EDT)

It isn't an inconvenience at all. I don't mind asnwering questions when and if I can. And if I can't I will do what I can to find someone that can. --DragynWulf 10:55, 9 September 2006 (EDT)

Anaconda wiki...

Heeey, I realized that "talking" by continuing to add the Anaconda profile is a bit obnoxious, so I'll post on here instead. You say that it's from the Wikipedia profile, but it's not. I wrote the Wiki profile, and though it may look similar in subject material, that is simply because I was making a chronological biography for her. It's worded all differently, and I just don't understand how you can think it's plagiarism when it's not at all copied from Wiki's site. It sounds similar to that of her wikipedia entry because it's not like she's been in hundreds of issues, and I was only going by her comic appearances. If there's anything else I need to change for it to be accepted here, you could tell me and I'd be appretiative. <3 nyssane 16:56, 10 September 2006 (EDT)

Two Things

Dunno if I should write here, seeing as everything else was deleted... anyway first, how do I get rid of the yellow "You have new messages" bar? I've read those messages thousands of times already, they are anything but new. Second, I've been hitting the "remember me" box next to the password since like forever, yet the site never remembers my account and password... is this a bug? My cookies work perfectly with other sites, so it comes as a shock it doesn't work with this one. Anyway... hope there isn't any problem about writing here... --valechan

They are all still there, you somehow looked under UserTalk:UserTalk:DragynWulf instead of just UserTalk:DragynWulf. No big deal though, I moved it to here and deleted the other page.
The password thing will remember it as long as you are online. Once you disconnect, you will have to type it again. It is that way for everyone. The yellow you havenew messages appear when you type something new in a Usertalk page or character talk page. It is a bug. It is suppost to show when you have a message on your talk page, but shows up when you post on someone else's talk page. Click on it and then click to "Recent Changes" at the bottom of the page and that should get rid of it. It works that way for me. --DragynWulf 12:35, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

Uncalled for?

If you had access to the Handbook after 4 months, you shouldn't have edited the entry just because someone didn't reply to your comment. If you don't know something to be true, then don't change it just because you can't find any referance. Especially when it looks like you didn't even look for it for the past 4 months. Ex