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Talk:Wolverine (James Howlett)

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When exactly was Wolverine born?

If I'm not mistaken, James Howlett was born in 1898/1899. I made an error. Could someone please tell me the specific year he was born?

citizenship

Is his citizenship Canadian? Or is it not actually revealed?

Wolverine was born in Alberta, Canada so that would probably make him Canadian. As far as I know, he's never gone through the process of becoming a United States citizen or anything.

Thanks for adding a picture!!

Doctor Cornelius and the Professor

The bio says the Weapon X Project was headed by Dr. Cornelius, but, though he was part of the project, the project was actually headed by the Professor. For some reason, I can't edit the bio, so I was wondering if anyone else can make the change.

Actually, the history states "Logan was taken by a group of scientists led by Dr. Cornelius as part of the Weapon X program." It does not state Cornelius is head of the program, only that he led the scientists which is correct, as he was head scientist. --ComiX-Fan 21:26, 21 March 2006 (EST)

My bad. Thanks for clearing that up

Forgotten?

Wolverine had a deep affection(in various ways) for marvel girl aka phoenix/dr. jean grey and it is mentioned in several stories. How come it isn't mentioned here??

Well, since no-one has thought about, I guess they forgot about it. Well, what do you think happens between him and Jean Grey? You think he ever gets over her?

Civil War

This war coming up is really going to mess with Wolverine. I mean he finally puts himself whole heartedly into a group and it ends up coming apart over the first issue that comes along. marvels 09:44, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

Yeah it will

Logan ?

Hi can anyone explain why in the ORIGINS books wolverine bears a stricking resemblance to TOMHAS LOGAN even though their not realated ? I mean the resemblance is uncanny!(pardon the pun ...if you picked it out) david andrews 19:06, 14 April 2006 (EDT)

The suggestion, which has not been confirmed, is that James' mother had an affair with Thomas Logan, and that Thomas is his real father. Stuart Vandal 19:16, 14 April 2006 (EDT)

Oh my god every thing suddenly makes sence.Thanks Stuart but i got another one for ya did his grand father have any form of mutant gene becuase his hands also look a little weird and rough ? david andrews 19:40, 14 April 2006 (EDT)

No he just worked for his millions so thats why his hands are messed up. He dislikes people that dont work for what they get and thats why he hates that his son gives stuff to "the help"

Ok I just thought there was a resemblence of the two some where there. david andrews 18:43, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

Well, it is painfully obvious (to me at least), that Thomas Logan and James' mom had an affair. After Thomas' wife died and after James' mom's first son died. In between that time.

Height and son?

What's with the son, where did he come from and why is wolverine so short?I think wolverine I mean now a days a tweleve year old could be taller then him.

Wolverine's son was born in Wolverine: The Jungle Adventure. As for his height, Wolvie's always been a runt! :P --ComiX-Fan 11:35, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

YEP. This is correct.Majestic_Lizard 18:42, 2 February 2007 (CST)

I don't think 5'3 is correct. If you look at him in the comics, he's not really that short compared to all the other characters, and in Uncanny X Men: The New Age Volumes 1 and, (I think) 2, Wolverine is about the same height as Nightcrawler (Who, according to his bio, is 5'10). So, maybe he's the same height as Ultimate Wolverine, about 5'9The Exile

Almost forgot... In her bio, X-23 is listed as being 5'6, yet every time they're together, Wolverine looks taller...The Exile

Artists have a tendency to innaccurately depict height, eye color, etc. A character drawn by one artist can look much different drawn by another artist. It doesn't change the definition of the character. A good example is that Long Shot is supposed to only have four fingers. However, many artists have accidentally drawn him with five because they didn't know any better. It doesn't mean Long Shot now has five fingers.Majestic_Lizard 18:46, 2 February 2007 (CST)

There is a huge bias against short people in society and many people want to make Wolverine a normal sized person because they can't take the character seriously as a short man. A Wolverine is a small, fierce animal. That is why he is called "Wolverine". Wolverine has always been around 5'3". According to authors like Byrne and Claremont that is how tall he is. Fans don't get a vote. Majestic_Lizard 18:42, 2 February 2007 (CST)

Significant Issues

In the significant issues box there sould be a entry saying--->Winter Soldier reveals he killed Wolverine's wife and kid (Wolverine vol.3 #39, 2006)

Muramasa

Is anyone planning to insert references to Wolverine's recently revealed marriage and the whole thing with the Muramasa Blade? -- Spidey:Weapon X

Also, I don't think it says anything about Wolverine regaining his memory. I can't edit this bio, so could someone please add these changes?

Logan´s True Father

I Think it´s clear that Logan´s father is Thomas Logan. We can tell by the fact that in the Origin Comic they look alike and his mother cheated his suposed father John Howlett with Thomas. And so we can conclude that the boy called Dog must be his brother...

While it may have been suggested as such, it is yet to be confirmed and so cannot be included in the official profile. --ComiX-Fan 05:13, 29 April 2006 (EDT)

Dog looks like Sabretooth, so could Wolverine and Sabretooth be related? Because that would be wicked.

Yeah but here's something strange. When did Sabertooth's healing factor arise? Bc it didnt come up until after he fought Wolverine at the quarry bc he still had the scars.I know that there wont be a databank on that yet but still thats a little weird. But that could mean that that person wasnt Sabertooth at all. That is just what everyone was hyping. Could anyoe prove that that was indeed Sabertooth? hottfred12

I've given this some thought too , Wolverine is about a hundred and seven or eight years old right? So maybe that wasn't Sabretooth at the quarry when he was attacked but maybe it was an ancestor of his like a grandparent or father even. That would cover the charecter resemblence and the fact that Dog hadn't got a healing factor we could see. Maybe the healing factor was carried down a genoration or so untill it reached Sabertooth? This would make Wolverine Sabretooth's uncle or maybe even a great uncle. But its still just a guess. david andrews 18:52, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

Well, I think that Thomas Logan is his true father because they look so alike and because they have the same attitudes.

Why is editing not possible?

I wanted to add a very distant descendent ("Rancor" from the Guardians of the Galaxy) and I don't see the edit link. What's up?

The character information is up to the point that the OHOTMU writers believe it to be complete. I assume this will happen to most high profile characters like Wolverine to stop the risk of people placing misinformation in the bio and distroying what is already there. For example someone screwed with the Beast bio when nearly complete and it was lost. This is of course just a guess on my part. If you contact ComiX-fan and inform him of what you'd like to add, there is a chance he would allow it to be added. However when dealing with charcters from Guardians of the Galaxy, the future they are in is not set in stone and get their own bios. --DragynWulf 21:01, 1 May 2006 (EDT)

Pretty much. We're not listing alternate reality/timeline relatives to Earth-616 characters unless those relatives currently reside in Earth-616. In this case, Rancor shouldn't be added to Wolverine's profile. --ComiX-Fan 11:38, 2 May 2006 (EDT)

Wolverine needs his Civil war info added into the bio. --CrowHawkins 15:11, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

It may be 'complete', but in instances where certain things have been overlooked (as I pointed out at the bottom of the page, that it is the Weapon Plus project, not Weapon X), then it should be possible to edit. I'm sure that either the original contributors or the OHOTMU writers will change it eventually, but it's a bit frustrating. DestradoZero 13:44, 9 January 2007 (CST)

Origins

Dude, Wolverine:origins rules, the variant cover of issue #1 is awesome. What do you guys think. Will it survive as another ongoing Wolvie series?

I think it'll survive a little while, then run out of steam. Most spin-offs eventually get canned, but can last at least long enough to be interesting.

I think it will go out of print and then it'll become really rare and so everyone would want to read it.

I don't know, Origins may still go on for a while longer, Wolverine has a lot of people to "forgive" for doing what they have done to him. Origins will definitely become a collector's goldmine after it has been out of print for a while.

Origins is a better book than people give it credit for. The art is questionable, but I personally love how all of the special guests are being woven into Logan's history. It's fun to read the book. Sometimes I just read the events that happened in one time period or the other and skip the rest. Sadly though I don't think it will ultimately last. In fact I'd be suprised if it were around in say, 5 years. But it will be a good read until then. Hopefully they will execute the plot line they have going to it's full potential and conclude the story in a positive way. I would rather see that, than find them dragging the story on and on for years without the proper research that has gone into the book thus far. Hopefully we'll get to see more about that grey period between when logan first ran into the woods and his reemergence in society.

X-23

Couldn't X-23 be considered Wolverine's daughter because of the way she was born?

Technically she's just his clone. sononsj 00:52, 21 May 2006 (EDT)

Wolverine didn't father her. She was created from a sample of his DNA, and hence is a clone. --ComiX-Fan 01:11, 21 May 2006 (EDT)

Ok what about a sister like Ben Reilly is condsidered to be Spider-Man's brother?

Nope, she's his clone. From what I've read, they share a bond similar to a brother & sister's, but still, just a clone. Peter Parker and Ben Reilly felt like brothers to each other, but Ben was still just Pete's clone. sononsj 18:08, 21 May 2006 (EDT)

peter and ben acted like brothers didnt they NOPE they always acused oneand other to be the clone until pete belived it but in mc2 maydays cousin is bens son does that make him a clone coz he starts dieing like a clone but hes not a clone but his father wasDanny

Peter and ben acted like brothers because it looked like they were the same age and x-23 and wolverine look very different ages

The reason Peter and Ben acted were like brothers because they had shared memories, being that they were identical clones, as per the deign of the jackal. Therefore, they were much like twins in a sense...but neither truly knowing which one came first...just like twins. As for Logan and Laura, they had completley different experiences, different memories, and were born roughly 80 years apart...I am assuming. So wolverine knows how she feels about what she is. So hes more like a long lost father in that sense, but she still remains more of a clone, being that she has no memories of logan's.

TEAM X

How come there is nothing mentioned about about The Team X wolverine was involved with that included Victor Creed(future Sabretooth), John Wraith, David North(future Maverick), and James Howlett(Logan) himself? And his love for SILVER FOX?

It wasn't one of the big things hes done.

Old school

Whatever happened to the old wolverine with the bone claws? I think the bone claws were pretty rad.

It's the same Wolverine, but as part of the Weopon X program, adamantium (a nigh indestructible metal) was attached to his skeleton. The metal has been removed at different times. sononsj 18:05, 29 May 2006 (EDT)

By old School I'm assuming you mean in the early 90's when Magneto ripped the adamantium off Wolvies skeleton. Since then Wolverine has been granted his adamantium back by Apocalypse after winning a fight with Sabretooth. But yeah the bone claws were cool.)Wolvie(

Ok. This clears some things up for me. I was confused because in the comics around his marriage with Viper he had bone claws. So that was after the adamantium was ripped off and before he got it back. --CrowHawkins 11:25, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

Why is james renamed Logan of all names?

In Wolverine Origin:

When Rose and James meet Smitty, she claims that James is her cousin and gives him the name Logan. This is the name of their enemies, the ones responsible for their problems.

Naming a boy after his father's killer? Can anyone give any logic to this?

I guess she was coming up with a name quickly, and it was the first to come to mind. Besides, James didn't remember what had happened since his healing factor blanked it out, so it wasn't like he'd have to live with a burden or anything.--Spidey:Weapon X 20:33, 10 June 2006 (EDT)

Perhaps she named him this as a way to connect him with his past. She knew at that point that he didn't remember so perhaps she gave him this name as a way for him to retain a connection to that history, perhaps even as a clue should ever seek to discover that history

who would win

in a fight who would win rogue or wolverine

A fight between two characters all depends on the writer. If a writer wanted a normal human teenageer with no powers or abilities to defeat Wolverine, then he will. So to ask "who would win" is all subjective and pointless.
Also for future referance, the discussion pages for the characters is ment to be used to discuss the characters. Not to use as a message board. If you'd like to ask questions about subjective battles that have never happened in comics, then a place like ComicBoards: Comic Battles is a better place to post instead of here. --DragynWulf 15:42, 18 June 2006 (EDT)

yes it is pointles but id say rouge whould win just by hugging him and theres flying and super strenghth17:33, 11 August 2006 (EDT)17:33, 11 August 2006 (EDT)~

can wolverine replace lost limbs

since wolverine can replace his skin and muscle, can he replace limbs. for example if he gets riped in half can the bottom halh of his body make a clone.Like can he make clones of himeself by getting ripped in half?

also in new x-men his arm gets torn off but he regrows it---Danny

I often wondered about that too, but I don´t think he could make a clone. His healing factor has something to do with chemicals his brain releases, so the bottom half couldn´t grow a new top half and the top half would probably die of blood loss. He should be able to replace limbs if he didnt´t die from blood loss. user:sononsj

It depends on the level of his healing factor. At the time he was able to regenerate his lost arm, his healing factor was boosted to a higher level. So under normal circumstances, no he could not regenerate a lost limb.
As for making a clone, no. If it were possible to do that then there would be numerous Deadpool clones since Deadpool and Wolverine have simular healing factors. Deadpool's healing factor is at a higher level though. --DragynWulf 21:09, 25 June 2006 (EDT)

Here's another question, In the bio it states " Despite the extent of his healing factor, Wolverine is not immortal. If the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vital organs, large amounts of blood, and/or loss of physical form, such as having flesh burned away by fire or acid, Wolverine can die. " but in Wolverine #43 after Nitro burnes him down to his bare skelloten a couple of pages later we see him regenoratied in full. this must prove the previous text wrong. should it be changed? david andrews 18:40, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

What about in the Ultimate Universe in Wolverine Vs Hulk. When Hulk ripped him in half is he supposed to survive that Xtreme112

We can look at the skelleton situation as the level of his healing factor was very, very, very, very high, where he can regenerate himself from his still living bones and his still blood producing marrow or some other phenomenom of that matter, or Marvel messed up. Take your pick. I personally like my answer. --CrowHawkins 17:53, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Since his skeleton is nigh-invulernable, I would say that as long as it remains attached to the rest of his body, he can regrow a limb around the skeleton. As he did in an Ultimate X-Men comic when a Sentinel incinerated his foot. Even though that's the Ultimate version, I think it's safe to say that it could regrow something AROUND the skeleton. But I don't think his body has a memory enough, like an earth worm or starfish, to regrow a detached limb, skeleton and all. PseudoSherlock 17:57, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Azazel (nightcrawler's father) speculated that wolverine could regrow lost limbs. I think that were it not for the adamantium skeleton, he could. As for the ultimate universe... When Sabretooth was decapitated by Wolverine, he claimed that there were enough living strands of tissue for him to be able to reattach it to his body. I believe this same principle will apply to Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk. And think about it, They're in the middle of the himalayas, His legs probably are preserved by the cold, much like when someone accidentally cuts their finger off and they put it on ice, and surgeons are able to reattatch it.The Exile

Also, if his body doesn't have memory, how come when his face gets all torn or burned up, he still has the same hair/facial hair? According to your theory, wouldn't that new skin be completely bare? Also, when Cassandra Nova removes all the flesh from his arm, how come when it grows back, it has the same muscle mass as the other one? wouldn't it just be a skinny little arm, because it's brand new and doesn't have years of excersize and weight training on it?

and also in the age of apocolypse he has one hand i thought he can replace limbsspiderman12901 00:51, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

That's because Havok incinerated it, he cauterized it, making it impossible for it to grow back. Though, you wouldn't think that the adamantium skeleton would've been destroyed. Well, that's just one more plothole in the world of comics!The Exile 09:57, 6 August 2006 (EDT) Correction: Cyclops incinerated it

Also, back when he was adamantium-less, he got run over by a drunk in a car. He was basically gonna die within seconds, but his healing factor saved him and he showed no visible signs of any incorrectly set bones. Now, getting crushed underneath the wheel of a barreling car that's gunning for you, and being told that he's about to go to wolverine heaven, says that at least the bones of his upper body are crushed and crushed in multiple places probably. So, either his body has a memory for both acquired and genetic traits or the broken off pieces are replaced with new cell growth and the rest just gets absorbed by the body during cell cannibalism and the new cells are alterd to have the acquired traits. rileyV 9:30, 7 October 2006

You could look at Wolverine at the most basic level: just a big old mass of energy, which mutant powers often work at. All healing and cell multiplication operate on the idea of energy doing work. Cells altered to have acquired traits could come from not just the larger level interaction of DNA workings, but could also include some kind of change to the energy that makes Wolverine...Wolverine. It could even be partially psychic, if you wanna go that route. Some kind of conscious/unconscious control that's reflexive. It could explain how he grows back a full head of hair during his stint in Weapon X and in another time, he can cut all his hair off, so he can infiltrate a gang or something, and it doesn't grow back within seconds.

Baseline human healing is controlled by the subconscious mind, so there might be some kind of link there. That would mean that with decreasing the apparent gap between his conscious and unconscious minds (taking more conscious control of unconscious/reflexive body workings), he's got the potential to regrow limbs by consciously willing it to happen. Deapool had this ability to mentally regrow a body part at one time (don't know how it is now). We know he had a template from Wolverine, but it could have been altered, since he doesn't have enhanced senses (sight, hearing, etc.) and I have seen a few columns that talk about Wolverine's senses being heightened by his healing factor (which I presume is from lesser quality cell parts are replaced with higher quality ones, making the cell's signal processing more sensitive to what he picks up). So, I'd say that there might be some mental workings with the healing factor. It's just mostly unconscious and his view of his healing factor would just reinforce how it already works, strengthening just how his healing is supposed to be. rileyV 10:57, 8 October 2006

in ultimate spider man there is an issue where wolverine has his mind switched with peter parker, and peter accidentally pops out claws and cuts off a finger. it grows back in seconds...implying that the adamantium is not in his fingers but in his main bones of his body and hands. also, since this was the only injry sustained, his healing factor focused on regenerating a single injury, one that was hardly extensive. so based on this, we can say that the healing is proportinal to the injury sustained. and since his finger grew back completley, it can be said that his body has a cellular memory...because he has no scars whatsoever from any of his injuries. if he were to simply heal an injuty, he would be covered in scars and perhaps have a few less limbs. since he has no traces of past injuries, we can assume that his healing is so advanced that he can regenerate to a specific state...a state based on genetic memory. therefore, he could reasonably regrow his legs, as in ultimate wolverine vs hulk, but most people would be dead when split in half. somehow he is able to climb a mountain to retrieve them...supposedly. from what i see, his body is designed to maintain a specific genetic standard...everything healed to be intact as it was before an injury ws sustained. thus, his body will always look the same...which would explain the hair..cut it off, itll grow back as it was before. but there is a flaw in wolverine, his adamantuim skeleton. his bones cant regrow due to this, which is why he cannot regrow his hand in age of apocolypse. for example, in wolverine endings, you see one of his claws is damaged. since its covered with adamantium, the tip wont grow back. he is unable to regenerate bone tissue due to the bonding process...but he can regrow muslce and tissue such as ligamants and his face. as for nitro burning him, we only see a part of his exposed skeleton...so he could be mostly intact. and whos to say that his healing factor is entirely internal? he could leech elements and fuel from outside sourses..say the ground. it takes energy to regenerate, and with much of his body destroyed, he would need an external source. so, food and whaterver else is available would be used. this is speculation, but how else can he regrow much of his body wihtout eating?

I have another point. In Wolverine's "Vendetta" series he does many things that could kill him. He fell thousands of feet onto New York(?), He was totally burned up exept for his bone in Nitro's explosion, and his head was beaten almost completely off. This stuff kills him. In the last issue of "Vendetta" I believe, (correct me if I'm wrong) it talks about what happens when he is "dead". Explain to me if he can raise himself from the dead. --CrowHawkins 14:37, 19 December 2006 (CST)

Why would the jump kill him he has adamantium in his bones that can withstand thatkind of impact easilly. Well everything that matters are inside your spine and head are you sure his brains were burn too. Lets say he can build himself up again always if there is something left of him and the bones were all intact so it would be easy to the flesh come back. Also his head wasn't beaten off the guy got as far as the spine and the blade broke because of the adamantium. He never raise himself from death because he is at the gates of death not death. Because everybody has to die like it was ment to be. Death has grown tired of him always keeping among the living so he but that guy there to make him go in the light and finally die. So it other words Wolverine might not have so many deaths left before he loses. --Wezqu 16:29, 19 December 2006 (CST)

The jump would kill him because of the trauma to everything not bone. His skin would be torn apart and the sheer impact could damage him internally. He said when he was falling that if his healing factor didn't kick in the fall would hurt alot. Also, it should take longer for him to heal from such an extensive injury as, let's say, being incinerated by Nitro, and it did take a little longer. At the very, very beginning of their fight, Wolverien was still healing some of his skin. But shouldn't it normally take months. I think Wolverien must be at some super charged stage in his healing factor. Maybe his healing factor has reached some level of maturity through age and use. --CrowHawkins 14:07, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Mutant class

What class of mutant is wolverine? 3 or 4? --masee 07:49, 5 July 2006 (EDT)


I don't know if He's even a level 3... Yes, his healing factor is incredibly powerful, especially when compared to some other characters w/ healing factors. I think to be considered a high-class mutant, the character needs to have powers that affect the area around them, such as psionic powers (telekenesis, pyrokinesis, geokinesis, etc.) or other energy manipulating powers, like those posessed by havok or magneto. But just because Wolverine might be a low-class mutant doesn't make him any less of a threat, after all: He's the best there is at what he does, and what he does isn't very nice...The Exile 15:47, 23 July 2006 (EDT)

I would say that he is a 4 because of his healing factor allowing him to live a very looong time! Also, all of the techniques he has and all the hand-to-hand combat that he can do is all advantage for him. Plus, with his claws and his fury, he can do a lot.

Well, you're factoring in his skills. His skills do make him extremely dangerous. But the skills are not part of his mutation, and therefore don't make him a high-level mutant.The Exile

Comparing the movie Wolverine to the one in the comics.

So I don't know about everyone else but I thought the Wolverine in the movies was to nice. He didn't seem enough like the tough kick your a#@ kind of guy that he does in the comics. Also I thought he should have been less close to Rogue. They don't really have a lot in common, Wolverine was basicaly abandoned by anyone he ever knew, and Rogue just thinks she was because she is different and she doesn't think people understand her.

Wolverine shows a soft spot occasionally especially with his wives or other people he's close to. He has alot of problems which he kinda' covers up with his tough guy look. I didn't think the Wolverine in the movie had enough hair though. As for Rougue, it was probably just a Hollywood perk. --CrowHawkins 21:59, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Well, Rogue took the place of Jubilee as Wolverine's little sidekick. I have some problems with Hugh Jackman's acting because I don't think he is truly angry enough to be Wolverine. He never seems like his anger gets out of control, or could, and that's really staple Wolverine. But he didn't do a BAD job... PseudoSherlock 08:31, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

Yeah, the movie Wolverine seemed alittle more scared than angry. He was just not trusting. --CrowHawkins 15:05, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

Keep in mind that the movie Wolverine is somewhat unique, as the writers drew on both the Marvel Universe as well as the Ultimate Universe. And on the hair thing, I totally agree. I think in the movies, they made it look like it was gelled or moused up to look like that, whereas in the comics, it's naturally like that. I think it might have been better if they had just used his hairstyle from the early Ultimate X men comics, where it was pretty long and was pulled back into a ponytail. He also needs bigger mutton chops.The Exile 15:45, 23 July 2006 (EDT)

Sabretooth is Dog

I think that Sabretooth is Dog, and that Wolverines father is Thomas Logan. Therefore making Sabretooth and Wolverine half brothers. As for the healing factor, Wolverines powers didnt arise until his teens. Sabretooths powers could have just been a little slower. Also it says Dog is physically stronger then Wolverine, which would also make sense with the theory that Sabretooth is Dog.

Nice theory... Only one problem, though. It clearly states in his bio that Sabretooth's father was an abusive man named Zebediah Creed.The Exile

Well, I think that Thomas Logan carried the healing-factor gene. Thus, Logan and Dog being half-brothers, have that gene. That way Dog can survive the fight that happened between him and Logan, get picked up for being enhancement, and thus be forever battling against Logan with their life-long grudge.

Nice theory... Only one problem, though. It clearly states in his bio that Sabretooth's father was an abusive man named Zebediah Creed.The Exile

What about John Jr. - James' brother that supposedly died? Remember right before Wolverine's/James' mom killed herself - after she noticed James' claws - she said 'Not again' like she has been in that situation before. Given that John Jr. died(?) at a young age, maybe he was born looking like a little Sabretooth and was thrown out with the bathwater (to be raised by a Zebediah Creed). --comicblues 16:57, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

IF you read WOlverine: The End, it shows John Jr. He is exactly like Wolverine (minus adamantium), plus a few extra powers, but the claws are the same.The Exile

Wolverine: The End isn't necessarily in continuity however, and so anything you learn about John there has to be taken with a grain of salt. As for Dog, while sabertooths bio may give a name for his father, it is clear that Sabertooths origin has been changed before. He was once a spiderman foe with no healing factor or mutant origin. Also it could be written that any known father might be a step father.

What about Wolverine's other wife?

Wolverine was originally engaged to Mariko Yashida in Japan (they were the ones that adopted Akiko, his daughter), then Wolverine said he couldn't be with her, since many of his other girlfriends have died (Rose, the lady whose name escapes me-the one whose throat was ripped out by Sabretooth in Wolverine Saga #1, Jean Grey/Phoenix, etc.) So, of course, a few years later, they got back together, and Mariko is promptly poisoned by a Japanese underworld guy, and asks Wolverine to kill her so she doesn't suffer. There should just be an entry in the Marvel Universe bio thing telling all of the sad fates that befell women that Wolverine loved. Also, Wolverine Saga, the 4-issue limited series written many years ago about Wolverine, is a great read. It's basically a retelling of all of Wolverine's important events in his life, and you can piece togther some of the mystery of Wolverine, as well as learn new information. It's sort of like Origin 7 to 10. abcdefghijklmno 23:53, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

How about Charlie? Logan was to kill her as well but flinched. (Spider-man actually did the honors.)--comicblues 16:36, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

Who is Charlie? And by the way, the name of the lady whose name formerly escaped me is Silver Fox, who has, for some reason, popped up in Wolverine/Weapon X- related issues, and, more recently, Wolverine: Origins (it's different from Origins) --abcdefghijklmno 21:22, 26 August 2006 (EDT)

Charlemagne ... See Spider-Man vs. Wolverine #1.--comicblues 15:56, 11 September 2006 (EDT)

huh

Has anyone alse noticed that wolverine's profile dosen't have a link mutants

Maybe It's Just Me, But...

Wolverine has way too many origin stories, with some, while both being within continuity, conflicting with each other. Let me think... Wolverine: Origins(it's new, and different from Origin), The Wolverine Saga, Wolverine(the original limited series), Origin, Incredible Hulk #181, various Weapon X stories and one-shots, and all those don't include TV or movies. Am I the only confused one here? --abcdefghijklmno 17:22, 27 August 2006 (EDT)

"Wolverine: Origins" isn't his origin, it's just named that because he remembers his origin. The "Wolverine Saga" is just a re-telling of his life after the events in "Origin". Speaking of "Origin", that is his actual origin. "Wolverine" isn't even his origin. They're just Wolverine stories. "Incredible Hulk #181" isn't his origin either, just his first appearance. The TV shows and movies aren't part of continuity. None of these conflict each other. sononsj 18:49, 27 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for the information, and you can call me paranoid (really, it's okay, my family does), but I thought something weird happened to my post, or I knew too much (cue X-Files theme song), but I guess it was just a bug, because it took me 2 tries to get the post saved, and I was about to ask Dragynwulf about it. One thing, though, in the Wolverine Saga (issue #1), Wolverine's girlfriend, Silver Fox, was supposedly dead, and you can say she wasn't, but how do you explain a woman without healing powers getting her throat ipped out by Sabretooth surviving? But if you have an explanation, I'd like to hear it. --abcdefghijklmno 20:34, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

Wait, so you mean that in a previous issue, she had her throat ripped out by Sabretooth and later in Wolverine Saga she re-appeared? Because if this is the case, I would think that the reason she was in issue one of Saga was because it was just re-telling a prior issue to when she was killed. (I don't actually own Wolverine Sage #1, so I wouldn't know). sononsj 20:54, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

What I meant was that she got her throat ripped out and was left for dead in issue #1, then she came back decades later as a terrorist/ Weapon X agent. You're right about the Wolverine Saga re-telling a prior issue, I believe, but it still doesn't explain how Silver Fox died. --abcdefghijklmno 09:51, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

Sorry- for my last post, I meant survived, not died. --abcdefghijklmno 09:52, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

I'll bet that was just an error in continuity. sononsj 15:21, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

Right, but that's exactly what I said in my first post. --abcdefghijklmno 18:04, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

when was wolverine actualy born

Wolverine was born some time in the ninetinth century the precise date is not yet revealed

SHIELD Secret War

In the recent Secret War storyline, Wolverine is shown as completely drunk, slurring words, making rude comments, and nearly exposing Spider-man's secret identity. However numerous sources say its nearly impossible for him to get drunk, including the SHIELD database published in the Secret War. It's my opinion that Wolverine was only pretending to be drunk.

Can anyone enlighten me?

Wolverine is immune to toxins so him getting drunk or poisoned or drugged is nearly immpossible. So unless someone spiked his drink with enough of something that would kill multiple normal people, Wolverine would not get drunk. It doesn't make sense. --CrowHawkins 14:28, 19 December 2006 (CST)

In X-MEN ANNUAL 11 (circa 1987) it was explained that Wolverine cannot get drunk, even when he wants to. However, he still goes out and drinks and pretends to be drunk. 18:50, 2 February 2007 (CST)

My name is and612 and I beleive I can help you out. Mutants, hated and all, if you get it, need to look and act as humans do. Wolverine possibly witnessed the affects of drinking, acted his way. But sometimes the writers try to make their books seem funny. Or sometimes they forget.

Edited by and 612 at 10:17 am, June 30th, 2008.

Article not stacking correctly

Maybe it's just me, but since the most recent change, the article is not stacking correctly. The bio text is displayed after the significant issues section, not side-by-side with it. --Lonesome Pinky 16:52, 1 January 2007 (CST)

It appears as though the problem is an oversized inline image. Perhaps it could be downsized? --Lonesome Pinky 16:17, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Well those images were thumbnails before pete removed the thumbnail markers from them and they changed back to their original sizes. Reason why he did this is not revealed. --Wezqu 17:58, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Weapon Plus, not Weapon X

Wolverine is mentioned as being part of the Weapon X project, when the project's name is in fact Weapon Plus. Weapon X (Ten) was one of a series. It might not be a *huge* oversight, but it seems like it should be addressed for the sake of accuracy. DestradoZero 11:15, 8 January 2007 (CST)

The part of the branch of the project that dealt with Wolverine was called the Weapon X project. The Weapon Plus program was the even more clandestine progenitor of the operation. Its not innaccurate. Majestic_Lizard 01:49, 29 January 2007 (CST)

Typo: MacTaggart should be MacTaggert

Kevin MacTaggart (Proteus) should be Kevin MacTaggert. (See MacTaggert, Moira.) --Lonesome Pinky 16:26, 26 January 2007 (CST)

*ping* This is your yearly reminder. ;) Lonesome Pinky 17:50, 8 January 2008 (CST)

Strength Level

It should be noted that Wolverine's strength, reflexes, and agility are developed to a degree that are beyond a range attainable to normal human beings. Most sources correlate with this. This is because of his healing factor. This has been demonstrated as in Uncanny X-Men 111 he managed to break steel bonds and in Wolverine issue 1 he managed to pick up about a dozen people over his head and throw them through a wall, while running. This is also stated in the updated versions of the Marvel Universe. In the Marvel Universe Master Editions issues 4 and issues 21 Wolverine's strength level is listed as enhanced (800 lbs to 2 ton range). In the Marvel Universe Editions of 2005 and after he is listed on level 4 (same range).

The reason his strength level is enhanced is that his healing factor and dense skeleton enable him to lift much greater weights than any olympic weight lifter. His muscles, cartilage, tendons, and ligaments never succumb to fatigue, tearing, or atrophication granting him physical strength superior to an ordinary human. Further, his skeleton enables his body to resist physical pressures that would cripple an olympic weightlifter. The current world record for the overhead press is still under 600 pounds. One of the reasons that this threshold is fairly consistant for the overhead press is that the human skeleton ordinarilly cannot resist such weights and athletes have to be extremely careful that the supraspinatus tendon is not impinged or torn from the supraspinatus fossa during lifts. Such an injury typically ends the career of a weight lifter. Tendons and ligaments do not heal well, if at all. If weight lifters had unbreakable skeletons and tissues that immediately healed, they would be several times as strong. Even a character like Captain America does not have this advantage.

In the Deluxe Edtions of the handbook from the 80's characters in the enhanced range were sometimes simply said to have normal human level strength. One such character was Sabretooth. It stated in the original Marvel Universe that Sabretooh had Superhuman strength enabling him to lift at least 900 pounds and then it stated in the Deluxe edition that he did not, although in the comic books Sabretooth has bent steel beams around Ms. Marvel, twisted a dumbbell into a knot, and thrown a 300 lb human body straight up into the air like a baseball. This was corrected in the Marvel Universe Master Edition which stated in two seperate entries for Sabretooth that the character was in the enhanced human range and could lift between 800 pounds and 2 tons.

To put it more simply:Due to a combination of his mutant physiology and over eighty pounds(36 kilos) of adamantium laced to his skeletal system, Wolverine possesses some degree of superhuman strength. A benefit of his healing factor is that his musculature can be pushed far beyond the limits of a normal human body without sustaining injury, enabling an enhanced level of muscular development. His adamantium skeleton further increases his potential strength by removing the structural limitations of the human skeleton which place a definite limit on how much a human being can lift. He has been depicted being physically strong enough to break steel chains (Uncanny X-Men #111) and being able to lift the weight of a dozen men above his head with one arm and throw them through a wooden wall (Wolverine (on-going series) #1).

can wolverine replace lost limbs

I agree too.

Wolverine, Immortal?

After seeing wolverine split in half by hulk in Wolverine vs. Hulk it is apparent that there probably is a weakness in his adamntium body.I mean lets think abit he can regenerate but he cant pull himself together.This next sentance is from the powers section of his info:  Image:Example.jpgDespite the extent of his healing factor, Wolverine is not immortal. If the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vital organs, large amounts of blood, and/or loss of physical form, such as having flesh burned away by fire or acid, Wolverine can die.


In the almost final fight of Sabretooth and wolverine, they both had their flesh burned off, Wolvie had but a skull, and they continued to fight while healing.

Powerbox

Wolverine is my favorite character, but even I wouldn't say that he deserves a 7 in strength. Where did those ratings from the powerbox come from, and why were they so high. And how does Wolverine have any energy projection when his only mutant power is his healing factor?

--abcdefghijklmno 15:02, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Mutant category

Ive recently noticed that Wolverine has not been added to the Mutants category, since this profile is protected only a mod can make this edit though. Someone should look into this.

--Max Spider