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I have to reiterate my point how obnoxious holo78 is. As you can see in his statements as to why he changes profiles, he simply says "I have spoken." He refuses to follow the rules, and when scolded he waits for a little while to see if a harsher punishment is implemented. When that doesn't happen, he starts up all over again. For me, I have seen this one too many times, and am personally fed up with it. I don't know if any others feel the same, but I won't put words into anyone's mouths. Thanks again for your time. --[[User:acotilletta2|acotilletta]] 1 July 2009
I have to reiterate my point how obnoxious holo78 is. As you can see in his statements as to why he changes profiles, he simply says "I have spoken." He refuses to follow the rules, and when scolded he waits for a little while to see if a harsher punishment is implemented. When that doesn't happen, he starts up all over again. For me, I have seen this one too many times, and am personally fed up with it. I don't know if any others feel the same, but I won't put words into anyone's mouths. Thanks again for your time. --[[User:acotilletta2|acotilletta]] 1 July 2009
Hi, I noticed there's a ton of spelling errors and grammatical mistakes here and there peppered throughout the wiki so as I encounter them in articles I correct them, should I continue to keep a running log of it on the talk page to my userpage? --[[user:spidey287|spidey287]] 2 May 2010

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OHotMU Data Corrections

If you would like to keep us posted about any and all errors and oversights accidentally printed in the OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE issues (not on the onliine encyclopedia), please contact me at Please mention which character you are submitting about with a brief explanation in the subject area. For example "Spider-Man's relatives", "Thor's battle with Surtur" or "Scarlet Witch's powers". This will help group each e-mail together for a specific error with a character. --DragynWulf 10:10, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Bio Moving List

Add list of profiles here that need to be moved to different name due to more than one character using same name. --DragynWulf 00:34, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Well this should be moved, because its the wrong Spider-Man. Spider-Man (2099) isnt the Spider-Man from 2099 he is alternative character of Spider-Man of 2099. When Proteus came to their reality he changed its timeline creating a different alternative future. So the universe number changed that character is from Earth-6375 and he is the member of the Exiles. The original Spider-Man (2099) survived to 3099 with help of Thor's Hammer and gave it back to Captain America (2099). --Wezqu 08:52, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

Well here is one to be move and another to be deleted. Daredevil (2099) redirect should be removed because Daredevil (Marvel Knights 2099) and him are totally different characters. Chyper should be moved because there is several characters that have used that alias. --Wezqu 17:36, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

I took care of the Daredevil (2099) situation.
The Spider-Man (2099) is correct, it just lacks information in the history section. The Exiles version of Spider-Man (2099) can be found under Spider-Man 2099 (Exiles).
I will move Chyper later this weekend. If I happen to forget, please remind me. --DragynWulf 10:18, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Yeah another guy did that Spider-Man thing already so when you checked it was fine. Also Diablo should be moved there is another character that has used that alias. Also just asking this because I dont see point in arranging characters to alphabetical order. I would rather arrange them in chronological order because these are characters and some of the pages like Black Panther and even Ant-Man should be in chronological order because people would see at first glance that which character was first using the alias or which is the last one using it. In my opinion chronological order helps the user more than alphabetical order. --Wezqu 16:47, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Diablo has been moved.
Chronological order is the reason why the OHotMU doesn't use numeral distinguishing like Captain America III because it can become subjective as who appeared first due to retcons happening all the time. Captain America (Steve Rogers) appeared first, but because of retconning, he isn't the first Captain America, but the 3rd and that can change later if another retcon is created. By listing the names in a alphabetical listing, it cuts down on that confussion of who came first.
Listing the most popular character first is there because chances are that character is the reason why the page is being viewed. After that, it becomes a matter of alphabetical order. --DragynWulf 00:05, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Well I have three profiles to you that need moving. They are Doorman, Doppelganger and Dorma. All of those alias have been used by other characters. Dorma is special case because in Counter-Earth there is also other counterpart of that characters so it needs a disambiguation page. Have to make that Diablo disambiguation page. I almost forgot it. --Wezqu 18:29, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

Also add to the list of those that I stated on that previous post Dragonfly, because there has been several characters using alias Dragonfly so it needs a disambiguation page. --Wezqu 19:58, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

There are only two versions of Dorma, so there isn't really a need to move that name. Just make the other profile as Dorma just like other Counter-Earth versions have been made. The rest have been moved. --DragynWulf 11:44, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

Some more characters that should be moved. Aegis, Ape, Fafnir, Fang and Spiral --Wezqu 09:19, 12 December 2006 (CST)

All done with the exception of Fang, which I am going to find out by other Mods on how we want to describe the 3 Imperial Guardsmen with the same name. --DragynWulf 00:33, 20 December 2006 (CST)

Heh this will never end it seems because I have some more characters to be moved. Baron Mordo, Baroness and Beautiful Dreamer. There is also one disambiguation page that should be moved because I accidentally made it in the wrong place and just noticed it myself. Its Eric the Red page because those characters didn't use that alias they used alias Erik the Red. Thanks for advance. --Wezqu 06:58, 20 January 2007 (CST)

i need help

could some one help me with this problem... please go to my page i will state the problem(s) very clearly thanks a million --pickelteeth 17:48, 14 July 2006 (EDT)pickelteeth

Disambig Pages

I forgot your comment about putting an example up, and went ahead and created a Doctor Doom disambig page. So if you want to fiddle with that one, which nicely fit into the Doctor Doom link, you can use that as an example. However, I was looking at it, and I realized that, if this goes through, we're going to have to make disambig pages for just about EVERYbody. Are the moderators prepared for this? It'll mean everyone with an Ultimate version will have their own disambig page. Also, what happens when the original character has the name, who do you link to? I imagined doing a Fantastic Four diambig page, but then, what do rename the original group? I can see this getting WAY out of hand... Oh, and sorry about the Doom page, I finished it and was ready to happily pat myself on the back, and then realized that I was the only one who had done that before (except for the Punisher page). PseudoSherlock 18:14, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Not every character will need a disambig page. Only the character names that have more than one character. A disambig page is to show the variety of characters that used a particular name. This way if someone is looking for a particular version of a character, they can find it on the "Spider-Man" page. So every character named Spider-Man will be on that disambig page. This includes Spider-Man (Peter Parker), Spider-Man (2099), Spider-Man (Ultimate) and every other character that went by the name "Spider-Man". They can go to taht page, look for the version they desire and then click on that link instead of searching through the People category for them.
I am going to load a Thor disambig page after I load all the images for it. Once I have that finished, you will get a better understanding of it. --DragynWulf 19:51, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Take it from me who has done most of those disambiguation pages. If you would add every different universe character to them you would have to do disambiguation page of 2/3 of the characters in this site. Is that reasonable also I would want a rule here what you can add to them and what you cant, because it seems even these moderators dont know what they want. Another says this another says that. Cant we do disambiguation pages like this: when there is two or more characters in one universe that use that same alias you can do the disambiguation page, but if it would be from alternative universe characters they should be made their own disambiguation page for that universe. You could like add a link to the Earth-616 Punisher disambiguation page to the (2099) Punisher disambiguation page or just do different one for the alternative universe characters. It just doesnt work like its now. It looks stupid quite frankly. --Wezqu 20:13, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Not every character or even 2/3rds of the characters would need a disambig page created. A disambig page is so people can go to that character name and find the exact version of a character as well as learn about other characters that share the same name. Creating a disambig page for different versions of the same character defeats the purpose of a disambig page.
The Moderators have discussed it further and having all characters that have gone by a particular character name to be shown on the disambig page. You can view the Thor page for an example of how to do them. --DragynWulf 20:42, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Ok, I fixed the Doctor Doom disambig page to match your Thor page. Although, creating it brought up more questions. Since Doom needs a disambig page, obviously, the only problem is that he is the ONLY Doctor Doom. However, it still reads "there are multiple people who have used this name." And then the only real imposter is Kristoff Vernard (who I was debating whether he was an imposter or someone who used the name). But he also says that there are multiple. So, if someone only has one 616 character and one Ultimate character, do we really need to say that there are "multiple" characters that have used the name? Do we then change it to "there is a character who used this name?" And, just to make this harder on everyone--sorry--how do you differentiate between a "real" character, who used the name, and an "imposter?" It's easy with Thor, because anyone whose had the hammer is real. But Doom? Kristoff was programmed to BE him, does that make him, him? Is an imposter someone who is KNOWINGLY copying the original, and is thereby decieving other people? Anyway, sorry this has brought up so many questions, but they'll have to be answered eventually...
[edit: After brief consideration, I'm of the opinion that the 616 and the imposter categories should be condensed, reading simply "there are multiple people who have USED this name in the 616 reality." Seeing as how an imposter is really someone else using the name. Otherwise, it's going to get ugly with "imposter vs. real" arguments. Just my opinion, hope it helps.] PseudoSherlock 12:48, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

I've added more Doctor Doom characters to the disambig page. Kristoff was Doctor Doom and is considered as being the 3rd Doctor Doom. The Doctor Doom clone was also called Doctor Doom and considered to be the 2nd character to go by that name.
Someone or something that impersonates another character like Iron Man (Anthony Stark) impersonated Cobalt Man in AVENGERS VS THUNDERBOLTS and Hawkeye impersonated Dreadknight in THUNDERBOLTS, those would go in the imposters area.
All the characters that have alternate versions in the Ultimate Universe also have alternate characters elsewhere. There are the Earth-X, 1602, 2099, MC2 and numerous other alternate realities that have different versions of characters to be added to the alternate reality area.

P.S. I'd like to point out that I honestly LOVE the idea of the disambig pages, because it's great for organizing. So please don't take all my questions as criticism, I'm just aware that there's going to be a lot of clarifying necessary before they are perfect. PseudoSherlock 12:49, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Well like I said. When there is two characters on the main universe who use the name you can make a disambig page even if the other one was just imposter. Also I liked the way Thor page was made by moving the other universe characters so that nobody get comfused witch one is in the main universe and witch isnt, but the imposter part was not needed it just looked stupid. If all the pages would be done that way it would look much more nicer. I just didnt like to see other universe characters mixing with main universe characters. Of course there can be other universe characters in the main universe part when the guy has been frequent visitor or he now lives there like Deathlok (Luther Manning). --Wezqu 13:24, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

There have been numerous characters that have been imposters of other characters. Characters that have used the identity and give the faults impression that they are the character. Someone that steals Iron Man's armor and uses it to impersonate him to robbanks would go under that area for example. Super-Adaptiod was an imposter of Fixer in AVENGERS during the Heavy Metal storyarc and would go under that area. If there have been no imposters for a character, then there is no need for that area of the page to be added.
You are correct about alternate realities that have been frequent visitors to Earth-616 and they can be included in the Earth-616 area because of that, much like the Doctor Doom (Tony Stark) character. --DragynWulf 19:19, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

One thing why does those three characters in Thor page be included? I mean Thor Kid, Thor Girl and Thordis? They didnt use name Thor so why are they listed in his disambiguation page even if the alias quite near it they didnt use it. If this is allowed then you should allow She-Venom to be part of Venom disambiguation page. Just pointing this out. --Wezqu 18:59, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Thor Kid called himself Thor, but because he was a kid people called him "Thor Kid".
Thor Girl used the Thor name for a brief time before she was called Thor Girl.
Thordis was "Thor", just in a woman's body. Jane Foster found the cane instead of Donald Blake and struck it against the ground to become "Thor", but took the name Thordis instead because "Thor" was in a woman's form. --DragynWulf 19:19, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Dibs on the Spider-Man disambig page!!! Only problem is since Spider-Man is already a re-direct to Pete Parker, it´s harder to make the disambig page. Not impossible (I´ve done it before) but I forgot exactly how I did it. Help? user:sononsj

There is already a disambig page for Spider-Man. Feel free to make the edits to it though. --DragynWulf 21:00, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Then put them as Thor alias on the link, but add those aliases to the description that they used those other aliases. Its confusing when you name them differently in a disambiguation page. If they are in disambiguation page they should be always named whit that alias not something else it just might confuse people. Also I have a little request that I noticed sometime ago. Could you delete this page Spider-man. Reason to this is that when you search "spider-man" it will go to that page and is redirected to Spider-Man (Peter Parker) page. If it wouldnt be there it would go straight to Spider-Man disambiguation page. --Wezqu 07:02, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

The redirect is because some people spell "Spider-Man" as "Spider-man" sometimes, so it is needed. I will redirect it to "Spider-Man" though. --DragynWulf

Ok, then here's my question: What about the Punisher? Who of that list is worth being called the Punisher, and who is an imposter? I'm just curious how we quantify tricking people. And as I already brought up, is Kristoff Vernard, because HE didn't know he wasn't Doom, an imposter? Or does his personal lack of deception make him a real one? Either way, I'd just like some set-in-stone qualifications for an "imposter." PseudoSherlock 09:35, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

None of the Punishers listed are imposters. They took the name by themselves for themselves. An imposter is someone trying to act like the original for a short period of time to trick or fool someone into beliveing they are the real thing. Like if someone were to put Spider-Man's costume on and act like they were the real Spider-Man. For example, the Chameleon tried to act like he was Spider-Man to get away with money.
This does not include someone taking a character's place like or even name Ben Reily with Spider-Man, Jim Rhodes with Iron Man, Rick Jones with Hulk. Each of those characters became Spider-Man, Iron Man and Hulk even though Reily and Rhodes tried to act like the originals at one point, they still became the characters.
Kristoff isn't an imposter because he was Doctor Doom even though he didn't know he wasn't. Jarvis is Crimson Cowl for the same reason. Mr. Fantastic however is a Doctor Doom imposter because he acted like he was Doom to fool others. --DragynWulf 16:27, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

Got it. Imposter = Purposeful, knowledgeable, deception. For whatever means. Thank you. :) Also, my other question is about naming. Say I want to put up a Fantastic Four diambig I have to rename the Fantastic Four to something strange like Fantastic Four (616)? Individual people can (almost) all be put into the Code Name (Real Name) format, but what about teams? And do we want team disambig pages? Also, I just wanted to tell you THANK YOU for putting up with all my questions. I could just not ask them, but I feel like it's going to come up later, and be a problem. So I appreciate you being patient with me. PseudoSherlock 19:17, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

The only need for a Team diambig page for the Marvel 616 Universe versions would be cases where each team is completely different from the other. Take X-Force for example. There were three different versions of that team. X-Force with Cable, X-Force with military mutants using other mutant's names, and then X-Force/X-Statics.
Astonishing X-Men, New X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, X-Men and all others are the same team and that is "X-Men". The same can be said about the Defenders, Champions, Avengers/New Avengers, New Warriors and most teams.
As far as alternate reality versions of a team, use the same style as characters and name them after the reality they are part of. X-Men (2099), X-Men (Age of Apocolypse) and so on. --DragynWulf 22:34, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

Should There be a disambiguous page for Mimic? -- mimicx35

If there are more than one version of a character then yeah. There are two Mimic characters that have been to the Marvel 616 Universe Mimic (Calvin Rankin) and Mimic (Earth-12) (Exiles character), so feel free to make a page on them if you'd like. And since they both have been to the Marvel 616 Universe, they both go in the "There are multiple individuals who have used this name in the Marvel Universe 616 reality." section. --DragynWulf 00:27, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

What I meant when I asked about the teams names was what to name the disambig page. I'll take your X-Men example. Naturally, the page should be X-Men, but that's already the original team. How would you name the disambig page? PseudoSherlock 07:18, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Let me talk it over with other Mods and see what they think. I will get back with you on this. --DragynWulf 08:18, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Thanks. PseudoSherlock 08:36, 17 July 2006 (EDT)


Thanks for the help with the images. I was wondering why they were showing up so big even when I was trying to make them smaller. I can try to scan them again and upload them with the specs you gave me if you want. Also, check out the Marnot image I uploaded and let me know if that one has the same problems. So, I'll wait to hear from you before uploading the images of the Asgardian gods again. Thanks again. --acotilletta

It is up to you if you want to upload them again. So if you feel like it, feel free to do it. The Marnot image is fine. Having an image slightly larger width will cause the image to shrink to fit the standard 442 width size and along with the width, the length will also shrink the same amount the width shrinks. So if you have an image that is 500 (width) x 500 (length) it will be shrunk down to 442 (width) x 442 (length) and anyone can click on the image to view it in full size.
However, we don't want images that the images have too much width because the image will load for the viewer at the same rate it would load if you were looking at the original size (500 width). So keep it as close to 442 (width) as much as possible. --DragynWulf 23:26, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

Okay, I fixed the pic of Volla and uploaded it. Let me know if this is good, and I will do the same thing for the rest of the pictures that had to be fixed. Thanks. --acotilletta

It looks better, thanks. --DragynWulf 00:19, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Dude may I please use the your Cap pic in the heb Wikipedia pls? :) --liadx

I don't see any problem with it as long as you credit where you got it from. The artist of the foreground image is Bart Sears and the artist of the background image is Jeffrey Butler. --DragynWulf 20:38, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Nazi Party

Hey, I have a quick question. I was just reading the Nazi Party page and I noticed under "other members" that Thor's name is there. Was he really a member of the Nazi Party or is that just a mistake? If he was, I don't know what comic shows that, but if he wasn't, shouldn't his name be removed from that page? I was just curious and trying to keep the info accurate if it's not. Thanks for your time.

Not Dragynwulf, but I'll answer. During the Invaders #32 (1970's), Thor was summoned to Earth by the Nazi party and tricked into serving them (seeing how he was a Norse god and it fit in their Nordic ideals). He was told to kill Joseph Stalin on their behalf, but he was confronted by the Invaders who convinced him he was wrong and Thor left in a hurry. The encounter nearly killed Union Jack, but Thor helped him recover and that's how Jack got electrical-generation powers. --Danny Waah! 11:38, 19 July 2006 (EDT)

Oh okay, thanks for answering.

Race Template

Uhh...I didn't edit the template, I created it from nothing. And so, I take it that your re-editing of it means that you are approving my attempt/the necessity of the template? Unless you meant "don't create templates." PseudoSherlock 09:54, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

My mistake, I thought you edited the one already created and working in the system. Here is a link to it ---->Template:Species

That's ok. I didn't know one was made, sorry for ignorantly stepping on toes. Thanks for pointing me towards it. :) PseudoSherlock 10:56, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Your not stepping on toes, it is just that unless it is a format/template put into the system the information will not show up. And if there is a template made, then posters that might not know it is a template that can be used, might use it.
However it is currently still being worked on, so hold off before you use it. --DragynWulf 19:44, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

I had posted my rough draft for a similar template, but never got a response. According to Help:Posting#Templates, new template suggestions are supposed to be posted to Marvel Universe talk:Wanted. Is this still true or is there a better place to contribute to the discussion? --Lonesome Pinky 23:30, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Oh, good to know! PseudoSherlock 08:22, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

If it says to post template suggestions there, then that is the place to post them. Don't take this the wrong way, but I believe when it is said to post suggestions, it is ment to post a suggestion for a template itself, not make a template. Not that there is nothing wrong with making one, I just don't think that is what was ment is all. --DragynWulf 14:51, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

I would agree with that. Or, if you make one, only post it IN the wanted section. I apologize for making one, myself... PseudoSherlock 09:45, 23 July 2006 (EDT)

That's probably true - I suspect that they are looking for new template topics, not a complete template. In fact, I was originally going to give a mere description of what details I thought that the new template should include. However, after previewing the post I was about to submit, I decided that it was too wordy. I realized that it would be simpler to just show what I meant rather than describe it, so instead I posted my rough draft to the talk page. --Lonesome Pinky 23:53, 23 July 2006 (EDT)


I recently gained the ability to approve posts. I have trouble telling what is changed, especially when there is no summary. Is there an easier way to do this. Also, should I approve posts on other people's talk pages. --CrowHawkins 20:29, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

Well if you use the Recent changes link down there to see what people have added. There is that "diff" link next to those link in that page. Just press it and you see what has been changed in the bio. Dont approve anything you arent sure that its right. Also good idea is when aproving new bios check some other pages that it isnt copy pasted from anywhere else. I dont see any harm to approve someone post in a discussion page because they are discussion pages. Hope this helps. --Wezqu 20:38, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

The only profiles/edits anyone should be approving are their own and no one else's. Moderators will approve the profiles/edits for anyone that can not approve their own.
The reason for the Hero Points system is by the time the limit is reached to approve your own posts, a poster will have the understanding on how to make proper profiles and edits. If a poster makes an incorrect profile or edit, they will reach the point limit without understanding things and then approve their own mistakes. Something that causes more of a problem than helps in the long run. --DragynWulf 21:03, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

Why am I still gaining hero points when I make posts on discussion pages. I thought that was stopped a long time ago. (like, years) --CrowHawkins 20:31, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

OHotMU text

Hey, Dragyn Wulf. Yes you're right, I do take some of the history from OHotMU, but only to cover back history that I do not have since I don't own those comic issues, but there are a lot of profiles that I do write on my own using the comics that I do own that include the first appearance of a character to the present. I usually take pics for those profiles from the issues (whether it be comics or OHotMU) and say what sources I take them from in the summary. I didn't know I had to put where I got the info from in both summary boxes, but will do so from now on. If you would like to check out some of the profiles that I wrote totally on my own (using only comic issues) you can check some entries like Earth Force, Earth Lord, Skyhawk, Wind Warrior, Stardust, Dark Gods, Dinah Soar, In-Betweener (nice pic, by the way), Leather Boy, Monkey Joe, and Tippy Toe. I could name more, but I don't think you want to look over all my entries. If you do, let me know and I'll give you the other bios I've posted. I just feel that a character's history shouldn't be incomplete, and I don't own every single comic ever written. Not to mention the factual stat info on the characters can only come from a handook because I am not recreating a character, but posting what Marvel writer's have already created. I understand you're not saying anything bad, but if you would like me to only use the comic issues I have now for reference, then that's what I'll do, and someone can fill in the earlier histories at a later date. Just let me know. Thanks for your time.


Just a personal question, as you mention the Thunderbolts in your profile: Are the Thunderbolt comics any good? As in, all of them, or specific ones? Personally, I've always had a grudge against them as an FF fan, seeing as how they kinda stole FF Plaza. But since you seem to like them, I'm curious. Aren't they sort of a loosely held together, off-the-wall type of team? PseudoSherlock 18:34, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Well, they didn't steal the FF Plaza, it was given to them. ;)
The THUNDERBOLTS is indeed a good comic. With any title, there are going to be issues that are not as good as other ones, but then it all comes down to personal opinion. I myself have enjoyed the entire run of THUNDERBOLTS. Around the time the THUNDERBOLTS was cancelled, I didn't enjoy it as much, but it was still good.
As far as them being an off-the-wall type of team, it is kind of like the Defenders and Avengers mixed in with the Masters of Evil and that is the Thunderbolts. Zemo is still the same character as he was when he was a villain. His goals are the same, but how he reaches those goals is what makes him a hero instead of a villain. But at the same time because of how he is reaching those goals, you don't know if he is a hero or a villain. Which makes interesting stories.
MACH-IV had good intentions to reform the Thunderbolts, but when he couldn't find funding, he had no choice but to go to a villain for funding in order to continue to do good deeds.
Fixer is a character that you can always count on doing what is best for him. If stabbing someone else in the back was in his best interests at the time, he would do it in a heartbeat. But until then he will be there for you through thick and thin.
So the characters are not your average cut and dry type of characters like Spider-Man, Fantastic Four or others. There is no black and white or good and bad with the Thunderbolts because they have always lived in a gray area.
Check out the current issues from #100-104 and judge it for yourself. The current storyarc is very good and if you like that, then you'll like the series. --DragynWulf 22:26, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Using internet for stat info

Hey Dragyn Wulf. Quick question for you (or anyone else that might know an answer). I noticed that under some, if not all, of the "Inhumans" entries that the internet was used to obtain their stat info. I was under the impression that internet sites were not a good place to use info for any profile listed here. I just want to make sure that everything used here is legit and if it's not, then it should be addressed. Thank you for your time.--acotilletta

I did that, and the site I the same stats that this site has for the other Inhumans. So, not only did I announce that I was using the internet for their basic stats (height, weight, eye color, hair color, relatives), but if they are found to be incorrect, they can be easily changed. I also explained it specifically so that it was known that I didn't get them directly from the comics, so if it was found incorrect, only the stats would be changed, and the profile itself would not be suspect. Because the history and the powers were written thanks to actual research of the original comics (in this case Fantastic Four #44-48). But, unfortunately, the characters don't announce their height and weight, and the artist don't always make their eye color obvious. PseudoSherlock 17:31, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

I understand everything you are saying, but I was asking a mod because they are the people who know all the rules and regulations for this site. Thank you for explaining though, and even though you researched everything so thoroughly, I'll still wait to hear from one who knows better than both of us. --acotilletta

acotilletta is correct - do not use other sites as sources of information. They cannot be counted to be reliable. Stuart Vandal 18:39, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Thank you for clearing that up. I appreciate it. --acotilletta

Ha! Alright, though if I didn't quote my sources (as I was told to) no one would ever notice, because the guy from that site uses information from the old Handbooks. But I'll go erase all the stats, and someone else can fill them back in later. Because anything that I haven't written myself, should be erased, correct? PseudoSherlock 06:59, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

There you go. I removed the height & weight from the five bios which I used an invalid internet source to borrow from. In the future, I promise I will only write things that I have personally read, not copied from elsewhere, and make sure to weed out anything that I can't personally verify. PseudoSherlock 07:15, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

Klaw, Blastaar, and Dragon Man

Thank you for the images! They are much appreciated. You and Danny both do some good images! I realized, after talking to him, that I was also a fan of yours, but didn't want to look like I was fawning on everyone by asking if you could add some for me, too. :) But I definitely appreciate it, especially since the ones you picked were major guys that deserve pictures. As for the periods, I once asked ComiX-Fan if I should be putting one or two, as two is (obviously) proper grammar. He suggested I stick with proper grammar. So you're welcome to go through my profiles and correct them all, but it's probably not worth it. If you look closely, you can't even see the difference between one and two on the actual bio. My guess would be that it treats two spaces as one, and therefore it's irrelevant. However, I don't want to get in the habit of only using one space, so I'm going to continue to put in two. It just makes me more comfortable. Sorry... PseudoSherlock 14:46, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Yup. I just tested it. You can put a hundred spaces in between words, and without a carriage return it just appears as one space. So, if you don't mind too much, I'm going to continue to type normally. PseudoSherlock 15:46, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

No problem with the images. I enjoy making them and was working on images for my website anyways.
About the spaces after a period. If Comix-Fan said that you should stick to using proper grammer (which is one space after a period), then don't you think you should do that instead of ignoring him and doing what you want?
It will save other people time when making additions to profiles you've created and correcting the same mistake (which technically isn't a mistake if you are doing it on purpose).
On another note, it may work with your browser, but might not work with someone else's browser. Which is another reason why we'd like standard grammer used. --DragynWulf 18:11, 3 August 2006 (EDT) misunderstood. If you look at his Discussion Page, under "Punctuation," I said: "I've seen people use one, and I tend to go with the basic grammar rule and use two. Any suggestions?" He replied: "No real policy, though probably best to stick to established grammatical rules." I didn't ignore him, he agreed with me. HOWEVER, I just looked it up, and apparently standard English rules have changed (since the dis-use of the typewriter) to having only one space after a period. I was taught by people from a different generation who used two, and apparently I've been wrong ever since. As for different browsers, maybe you misunderstood again. I'm not saying it "appears" as if two is the same as one, but the wiki actually converts it to the EXACT same distance. Feel free to look at the code on this sentence. I've spaced the words out to COMPLETELY unreasonable lengths, and wiki automatically translates it to one space. So no matter HOW I punctuate it, it translates into the same format. And so it doesn't matter, because it simply CAN'T appear any other way. But I'm going to have to rethink my definition of standard English formatting...I apologize for my misunderstanding. However, do note that I wasn't ignoring ComiX-Fan, but I was previously in agreement with him. PseudoSherlock 18:36, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Standard grammer rules have been the use of one period for years. Even when I was in elementary and high school taking typing classes, it was the same then and I'm not that old.
As for Comix-Fan agreeing with you, he didn't agree with you. He only said that there was no real policy, but best to use established grammatical rules and established grammatical rules is one space after a period.
I understood what you were saying when talking about browsers, however all browsers do not work the same. What might look one way when using IE, might not look the same when using Netscape, Foxfire or any other browser because each browser reads HTML (internet coding) differently. --DragynWulf 18:58, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

The MLA, APA, and CMS all agree on having one space after a period. However, there was a convention, dating back from the days of the typewriter, to have two spaces after sentence-terminating punctuation for certain fixed-width fonts. [1] I don't know how this practice managed to outlive the typewriter; some English teacher somewhere must still be advocating it. --Lonesome Pinky 04:20, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Ok, I'll reword what I said about ComiX-Fan: He didn't DIS-agree with me. :) Anyway, I appreciate you mentioning that Pinky, because MLA was the next place I was going to look to see if they have also changed over. So, apparently I'm completely out of date...though if it explains it, my mother (who was an editor) was born in the late 1930s, and I've used typewriters before, so that's probably why I still believe in the two spaces. Again, I apologize Dragyn, I wasn't aware that it was a change in standard English usage. Which is funny, because I'm an English Major and a writer... PseudoSherlock 06:48, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Feel free to double-check the MLA. I'm merely parroting Wikipedia, so there's certainly the possibility of error. Cheers, Lonesome Pinky 06:55, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

I also caught the same thing. Apparently the average person still sticks to two spaces, however all publishers and magazine printers use only one space. Which is funny, because I've noticed this over the years, but figured it was just how they looked when printed. Though I also e-mailed an English Professor of mine from my old University to see what he has to say on the subject. But, seeing as how the wiki obviously wants it to be one space, no matter what, I might as well start writing as one on all my profiles. I just, now, concerned if I need to do this in ALL my writing. PseudoSherlock 08:36, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

The average person uses one space. You can check numerous message boards as wellas various profiles here and also find this to be true. The only one I've seen use two spaces is yourself. --DragynWulf 11:18, 4 August 2006 (EDT) must be young. Especially since writing does not wholly exist on message boards and profiles. I even went through various typing classes when I was in high school, and two spaces was always standard. Though they may be teaching something different these days. But, as mentioned, the two spaces after a full stop was used originally for typewriters. And I'm guessing you've never used an actual, physical, typewriter. You can look up this very concise explanation from the Chicago Manual of Style website: "" Apparently, the gist is that in the new computer age (which I grew up slightly before) the need for a second space is no longer necessary, as it makes electronic documents less readable. But the people who use two spaces include the French (it's often called the French spacing), people who were born before 1985ish (including the afore-mentioned colleagues of the CMOS copy editor, in their own correspondance), and me. But I'll restrain my natural use of it on here (as I have started to do, and retracted from former bios), in order to more-efficiently write online. PseudoSherlock 14:25, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Actually, judging by his profile, DragynWulf and I are the same age. Consequently, I would hesitate to call either of us young, at least in comparison to my perception of the average age of the Marvel Universe contributor. I personally learned to type on a non-electric typewriter (thank God for modern technology). But, I must have slept through the French spacing rule. In any event, isn't the point moot? MediaWiki follows standard HTML practice and ignores trailing spaces beyond the first one. I've checked on Netscape and IE (I'm too lazy to download Firefox) and the second space is invisible to readers of the article. I can't imagine that any browser would break such a basic HTML convention, although I also can't authoritatively rule it out. I still compulsively correct the spacing whenever I run across it, but that's just me. Cheers, Lonesome Pinky 01:54, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

I took typing class in high school using an actual typewriter and it was one space after a period then. After that I took computer class, you had to take typing before you could take computer class (back when a floppy disk was a squared piece of material that could actually "flop" around side-to-side) and still one space was used after a period. --DragynWulf 04:19, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Judging from his profile, I ALSO thought he was older. Which is why I was so confused. My guess is that both of you are probably around the same age I am, which is mid-to late 20's. We also had those floppy disks back then. But I'm totally mystified that you never used two spaces. I e-mailed a friend of mine who recently finished a college degree himself, and has been an English major and is a script writer. His immediate response when I told him about the one space was "That's ridiculous!" So, maybe it's an area thing. I'm originally from WA state, and my g/f here in MA also has never heard of one-spacing. Are either of you from the middle of the country, or something? Because I am totally confounded about this... PseudoSherlock 09:05, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Heh. We're a little bit older than you are. Remember, Nixon was President. Actually, the music clues make it even more specific. As far as the locality, I'm a Left Coaster (California), but I was never taught to use French spacing. So, it's probably not a West Coast thing. Wikipedia is neutral on the issue of "one space or two", but then they also allow English spelling for words like "colour". --Lonesome Pinky 19:19, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

I'm afraid I only caught Carter...and it's possible that it's just state-by-state. Wikipedia may be some-what neutral, but the format itself forces a single space, so that's really their final say on the matter. Honestly, I'm shocked that you would NEVER be taught two spaces...seeing as how it was the computer that changed it, and computers weren't influencing anything when Nixon was President. PseudoSherlock 08:35, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

I blame California schools. --Lonesome Pinky 16:57, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Suits me. On a similiar note, my old English Professor said that academics (and people with typewriters) use two spaces, and publishers/online people use one. So, apparently it's cause I went to college... PseudoSherlock 08:00, 9 August 2006 (EDT)


If it wouldn't take too long, it would be a big relief to me if you changed "villians" at the top of the Marvel U page to its correct spelling. Not to take advantage of your mod status, but I've seen people talking about it in a lot of places, and I was hoping that you could fix the problem. --abcdefghijklmno 22:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

This is something that Pete would have to take care of since he is in charge of everything for And because he works on the entire website (updates, solicitations, blogs, encyclopedia and everything else), he can be busy very fast. He knows about it and will get to it when he can find the time to fit it in. --DragynWulf 23:47, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Yeah Pete is like a pope in here. All mighty. :P --Wezqu 07:41, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Creating a page from scratch

Hey Dragyn Wulf. I have a quick question for you. I want to make a disambig page for two characters that don't currently have one. How do I go about doing that? --acotilletta

I'm not sure if you want to know the entire process or part of it, so I will let you know about the entire process just to be safe
The best way to do it is to go to a disambig page that already exists, edit it and then cut & paste that information where you will do the typing. Change the text to fit the new character you are making the disambig page for. Then create a link to the character's general name (like Spider-Man, Thor or Hulk) and then paste the information there. Preview it and then if it looks correct, save it. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. --DragynWulf 10:25, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Thank you for the help and when I put them up, I'll let you know so you can make sure I did them correctly. --acotilletta

Hello again Dragyn Wulf. I just wanted to let you know that I put up two disambig pages. One for Blacklash and one for Whiplash that both lead to a Whiplash (Mark Scarlotti) page. I told you I would let you know so you could check the disambigs to make sure I posted them the correct way. If you want to take a look and let me know, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. --acotilletta

All discription text should go after the " - ". Scarlotti went from using the name Whiplash to Blacklash back to Whiplash and then was killed by the Iron Man armor. Other than that, it was fine. --DragynWulf 08:30, 7 August 2006 (EDT)

I myself usually check disambiguation pages that have been made and edit or add characters to the pages. Like I did to the Whiplash and Blacklash pages. Just to point this out that there is no need for empty rows between the characters. Just do them right under each other so the page doesnt look so long. --Wezqu 08:36, 7 August 2006 (EDT)

Thank you for checking Dragyn Wulf. --acotilletta

making a bio for yourself (or myself in this case)

Hey Dragyn Wulf. I have another quick question for you. I tried to put a bio up for myself just to keep track of my contributions, but I think I put it in the wrong place. I'm not completely sure if it is wrong, but when I look at the bottom of a page I contributed to, the link to my name is not blue. There is also a contents list on top like you would find where your messages are, and I don't know where that came from. Could you do me a favor and look to see what I did incorrectly, and let me know so I could fix it? Thanks. I appreciate it. --acotilletta

Seems to me you got it figured out or is there something you need help with? --DragynWulf 07:58, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

It's not blue because you don't have the ability to auto-approve yet. It's not the same as the red/blue links in profiles, it's simply an indicator of your approval level. PseudoSherlock 09:08, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Sorry, I was a bit tired when I replied the first time and overlooked some of your questions.
The reason why the link to your name is red and not blue is because it is spelt differently. "Acotilletta" is how it is spelt for the Userpage that you filled and was approved. "acotilletta" is the red link. Are you signing in using a capital "A" or small "a" from time to time?
The contents list is there because you have the two equal signs on each side of a phrase. This creates a content list automatically. The reason I don't have on on my Userpage is because I have the text in an HTML table. I can fix this for you if you'd like and try and fix the link to your name problem as well if you'd like me to. --DragynWulf 10:17, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Dragyn...he's talking about the link that we all get on the bottom of every bio that we've contributed to. You can see his name at the bottom of your talk page. He's confused why it is red, instead of blue. Which isn't a failed link, it's because he isn't an approver. You can even click on his name down there, and it comes up with his bio. PseudoSherlock 10:41, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for taking a look Dragyn Wulf. To answer your question, when I sign in I'm pretty sure I always use the "acotilletta" with the lower case "a". I'm really don't know how the capital "A" got there. If you have some time and you don't mind fixing this for me, that would be great. If it's too much trouble, the contents list can stay I guess. I just really wanted the name on the contributers list at the bottom of a page to be directed to my bio. Psuedo says it works already, but if it doesn't I'd appreciate if you could fix it or tell me how to fix it. Thanks again. --acotilletta]

PseudoSherlock, I know he was talking about the red name at the bottom. If you look it is spelt with a capital "A" on his Userpage, but his signature (which is shown at the bottom of a page and everywhere else) is with a little "a". When you click on Acotilletta his name will be in blue because it takes you to his created Userpage that starts with a capital "A". When you click on the name with a small "a", it takes you to a page to edit. The difference is one is a small "a" and the other is a capital "A".
If you look at the main page you can find Pete's name (he is the same person and has approval ability) spelt two different ways. One is blue and one is red. The red one has a small "p" and the blue one has a capital "P". It is how you spell your name.
The samething can been seen with the newly created Userpage for magnificent bone. When a Userpage is created, the first letter is capitalized and it becomes different than the original text that has a small letter.

acotilletta, it doesn't work because it leads to a different page. The Userpage you created is here: Acotilletta and the one with the small letter is here: acotilletta, which leads to a page to still be edited. I don't think I can fix it. Only suggestion I can think of is signing up again and capitalizing your User name. --DragynWulf 13:19, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for getting back to me. I don't want to sound stupid, but when you say sign up again and capitalize my user name...Do you mean delete this user name I have now and reregister with the site with a different user name? --acotilletta

Yeah, Dragyn's right, just like sononsj and pete, their names are always treated like non-links. And if you click on them, it takes you to an edit of their profile, instead of the profile itself. Though you can just click "User Page" at the top, because it's still the same profile. However, acotilleta, if it really bothers you, you would have to resign-up with a new name, that is capitalized. Though I would guess from Pete that you can't use Acontilleta anymore, you'd have to use Acontilleta2, or something else. Oh, and sorry Dragyn, about misunderstanding exactly what the issue was and jumping on you about it. PseudoSherlock 14:48, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Hello again Dragyn Wulf. I have finally registered again under the name acotilletta2, and I want to make a bio for myself there, but before I do I figured I would ask what to do in order to make sure the same mix up doesn't happen again. Should I contribute something under the new name and then follow the link at the bottom of the page I contributed to in order to get to the correct page to place a bio, and I also wanted to ask if it is possible to link my old user name and new user name to go to the same bio page? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. --acotilletta

Adding a number to the name will not help fix the problem you want fixed. "acotilletta" and "acotilletta2" or even "acotilletta1000" will still result in the same problem. If you want to fix the problem so you have a Userpage accessible when clicking on your name, you need to have the new name with a capital letter like "Acotilletta3" (I say 3 because you already used 2, but you can use any number other than 2). This will allow everyone to click on your name and take you to your Userpage. However, by creating a new name, your Hero Points will start from 0 again. --DragynWulf 17:37, 12 August 2006 (EDT)


I was going to create a bio for Hauptmann, one of Doom's scientists, when I noticed that him and his brother were given first names in Doom's profile. I looked into this and found that the names were made up by a database website's creator, as neither were originally given first names. So I corrected the mistake in Doom's profile, and named the profiles Hauptmann (Nazi) and Hauptmann (Doom), though I only created the first (I haven't read the FF issues with his brother, yet). I named them that because there was NO other way to identify them, except that the first was originally a Nazi, and the second only worked for Doom. Does that work for you? PseudoSherlock 13:18, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Gustav would be the one you labeled "Nazi" and Gert would be the names to use for "Doom". I will move the name for the Nazi version to Gustav. --DragynWulf 13:29, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Umm...those names were created by this site: You can read his explanation of how HE made up the names, because there weren't any in the books. So, in other words, we're using information made up by a website creator, instead of a Marvel writer? PseudoSherlock 14:17, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Nevermind...I see by the latest FF Handbook entries that they have officially named them Gert and Gustav. So, apparently that guy got his names into the continuity...good for him. PseudoSherlock 19:47, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Just to let you know, the Appendix to the Marvel Universe website is owned and operated by the OHotMU Head Writer/Coordinator. --DragynWulf 09:05, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Alright, well what I read was from the "Unofficial Appendix," which closed down in 2004. Apparently, the same guy appears to later work with the "Official Appendix," though what I was reading was not the same. It's possible that he hasn't cleaned up all his old links, and hasn't changed the website name from "MARVUNAPP," which clearly implies it's the unofficial one. PseudoSherlock 11:01, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

On that page I linked, he actually says: "If I ever get to cover the characters in an Encyclopedia or otherwise for Marvel, I'll make it canon." Which would not lead me to believe that his site was anything official or connected to Marvel in any way. PseudoSherlock 11:04, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

A few things.
-You say you got your information from the Appendix to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe (Umm...those names were created by this site:), then say you got it from a website that has not been online since 2004. Which is the case?
-And as I previously stated, the Appendix is operated and owned by the OHotMU Head Writer/Coordinator Jeff Christiansen. If you would like to read it on the website, it can be found in the Masters of the Obscure link on the main page (here is a link) where he states he works on the OHotMU Handbooks for Marvel. Knowing that he works on the Handbooks and stating "If I ever get to cover the characters in an Encyclopedia or otherwise for Marvel, I'll make it canon." kind of lets you know that his site is connected to Marvel, especially since the same information that started this conversation got put into the FANTASTIC FOUR 2005 Handbook.
With that said, it does not mean that "everything" on the website is cannon and it should be used as "the" source of information. Some of it is done to help him organize the website, some things are not official (mainly names in quoatations) and the alternate realities without a designated number are not cannon either because they need a designated reality number to go by instead of a name. --DragynWulf 12:48, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Ok...well, your first dash: Touche, I read: "As of the October 2004, Danny has closed his site. We will relink when he brings it back, should he do so." But that is specifically referring to the unofficial part of it which includes mainstream characters. So I guess I read the wrong thing. Second dash: And no, the word "if" doesn't even slightly imply that what it modifies is true, that's why we use "if" and not "since." And I didn't intend to use any of it, I just couldn't figure out why the Doom profile had first names, and I used google, and found those pages, which (since they had quotes like you mentioned) I figured weren't official. But I later looked up the handbooks, and see that they did have it made official. So I apologize that I didn't read the handbooks that the Doom profile is stolen directly out of first, and then I would have known it was official. Next time, I'll search everywhere I can.

But this is the exact reason why I put it on your user page instead of just assuming I was right. Because I realized that I could have been wrong, and so when you said "it's just that way," I had to point out that-as far as I was aware-it was just from the website. In other words, I'm trying to turn to you directly for help if I have a problem, seeing as how you seem to be the active moderator. I assume that's what you'd prefer, right? And I was only upset that the implication was that I was ignoring the continuity facts or should have known that the site was official. I'm annoying that way; I apologize. PseudoSherlock 18:29, 12 August 2006 (EDT)


I know we've been all over this topic but would someone beable to make a bio on the 6 or 7 part (I can't remember how many issues there were) series that Marvel put out. Wouldn't Marvel need licencing for that. I was just wondering. --CrowHawkins 19:39, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Marvel needs to own the characters in order to put them in the Handbooks and on the website. Since those characters were licenced property (which means can be used for specific things during a specific amount of time), much like the Conan, Red Sonja, Transformers, G.I. Joe, and many other characters, they can't be included here. It is just like Marvel was licenced to produce a comic with DC in them with JLA/AVENGERS and DC with AVENGERS/JLA. --DragynWulf 09:14, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Created Categories

Thank you! Thanks to your profile, I figured out how to link a category without simply adding my profile to it. Much appreciated. PseudoSherlock 11:25, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

No problem at all. --DragynWulf 11:28, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Where did my edit go?

I just added a few significant issues to the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning 10 days ago, and they weren't approved yet. Is that because they were inaccurate, or has no one looked at them yet?--abcdefghijklmno 10:17, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

Chances are it just hasn't gotten looked at. This has been a busy week for everyone. OHotMU A-Z profiles had to be turned in and I've been working on the Data Corrections. Or the possibility that it was only a preview version and not a submitted version. Sometimes it will automatically take you to the preview page instead of submitting it. A small warning will show at the top to let you know if it is a preview. --DragynWulf 20:49, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

New Page

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how do you get to a place where you can create a new page. I know about templates and stuff, but where do you put them? --abcdefghijklmno 10:59, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

When making a new profile, the way I do it is I go to my Userpage, type a link to the character name like this -----> Hawkeye, then click the "preview button" at the bottom of the page and it will create a link to that character name. Once you've clicked on that, it will take you to an area where you can create the profile. All profiles/names that are in red, have not been created yet. All those in blue have already been created.
Hope this helps you understand things a little better. If not the feel free to ask questions. --DragynWulf 20:49, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

Also you can check to see if the thing you want to make a page on is in the "Wanted" section. --CrowHawkins 20:34, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

RE: Spellchecking

Hey, got the message about my need for spellchecking before I have my pages approved. Is there anyway I can look over what I already had written on the profile?
And sorry. Normally, I'm a real good speller. My face is kinda red about that.

Sorry, I am unable to show you what you previously had written. We suggest that you save profiles on a writing type program like Word, Word Perfect, Notepad or something similar in case something like this happens.
I can tell you that the spelling of the words themselves were correct, however you had numerous words bunched together to make one word instead of two. Here is an example of what I am talking about, "AvengersTower" should be "Avengers Tower" and "hedemonstrated" should have been "he demonstrated".
And no need to be embarrassed about the typos, it is a common mistake I use them all the time on message boards because there really isn't need to proof spelling. --DragynWulf 17:04, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

Heroes Reborn

I was recently reminded of a question I asked elsewhere with the Onslaught Reborn #1 coming out. What is your opinion of the Heroes Reborn universe as bios? Are the characters in Counter-Earth separate characteres that deserve bios, or are their lives there part of the original heroes biography? Obviously, some, like Namor, existing wholly within Counter-Earth (at least, I believe there was a Namor on Counter-Earth and a Namor on Earth at the same time). And, given that, how would you structure their bio? Something like Namor (Counter-Earth), or Namor (Heroes Reborn)? Anything you can suggest would be helpful, as I'm tempted to write up some. Also, the characters that appeared at the end of the Heroes Reborn series from Image comics can't be put on here, correct? As their likenesses were only borrowed... PseudoSherlock 13:02, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

Until the ONSLAUGHT REBORN limited series comes out, all characters are the Marvel 616 Universe versions since that is what is currently written. Once the limited series comes out and an alternate reality is created with the limited series (as mentioned in interviews), then the characters can be distinguished from the Marvel Universe characters just like any other alternate reality character would and get a designated Earth, but not until then.
The characters that are on Counter-Earth fall under the Counter-Earth area such as Thunderbolts (Counter-Earth) because that will not change. But these are characters that were introduced either during, after HEROES REBORN and HEROES RETURN. So the Black Knight (Counter-Earth), Radioactive Man (Counter-Earth), Masters of Evil (Counter-Earth) and Dr. Doom's henchmen would all go under Counter-Earth.
You are correct about the Image characters. Much like the Amalgam characters, they are not owned by Marvel and can not have profiles created for them. --DragynWulf 13:34, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

In other words, Onslaught's appearance will-technically-split the original Heroes Reborn entities off from their original personas, and make them unique, separate individuals? Like, Mister Fantastic was always himself, but now his persona from Counter-Earth will be torn from his past and created into a separate being, which only has the history set down in the Heroes Reborn series, as well when he is brought back, correct? Which is nice and confusing. :) I don't think I know anything about the Thunderbolts characters you're referring to, though I get the general gist. I figured as much with the Image characters, which is sort of a shame. I had a friend who was a huge WILDCATS fan at the time, and I was really amusing that the huge purple guy was part of the FF. Oh well... PseudoSherlock 14:50, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

All of this is based on what the writer said in an interview, which could change when the limited series is released.
Nothing will be torn from any character. The only thing that will happen is another realtiy will be created at a particular moment in time simular to a WHAT IF...? story where something changed and another timeline (which creates another reality) is created because of that change. So the Avengers, Fantastic Four, Hulk and everyone else involved will remain the same and be the same characters from HEROES REBORN/RETURN. These will just be new characters that never returned to the regular Earth and continued to live on a world that never became Counter-Earth.
So any character that is from the HEROES REBORN, HEROES RETURN, Heroes Return one-shots like HEROES RETURN: MASTERS OF EVIL, HEROES RETURN: DOOM (there were two separate issues), HEROES RETURN: YOUNG ALLIES, HEROES RETURN: REMNANTS and what took place in THUNDERBOLTS involving Counter-Earth like the Thunderbolts (Counter-Earth), that are not main characters were created by Franklin Richards and get their separate profile.
If it is too confussing for you, I can give the list of names that do not get separate profiles so you know who not to make a Counter-Earth profile for. --DragynWulf 20:00, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

I just hadn't heard about the other Counter-Earth comics after they returned. I'm only really interested in the ones surrounding the Fantastic Four, so I'll just wait until the new comics come out, and I'll pick them up and verify that the FF are there and amble to have their own HR bios made. Thank you, though. PseudoSherlock 07:55, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Galactus and all of his hearlds, the Inhumans, and Black Panther can be created since they were all created by Franklin Richards. Galactus (Counter-Earth), Black Panther (Counter-Earth) and so on would be the name of the characters. So it's up to you. --DragynWulf 12:50, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

As well as Wolverine, She-Hulk, Alicia Masters, Abomination, and maybe Namor, though I forget if he jumped in. Also, wasn't Hulk split, and existed in both worlds? I don't remember... PseudoSherlock 17:23, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Nevermind, turns out that Wolverine and She-Hulk were glimpsed from a (possibly third) dimension from Heroes Reborn. I doubt they even have an Earth for it... And after reading your Thunderbolts/Young Allies profiles I have a further question. In those it says that they took the place of the heroes who came back. So...when Onslaught Reborn comes out, are the original hereos (FF, Avengers, etc) going to be placed into a rewritten Counter-Earth (Franklin Richards), or is a SECOND Counter-Earth (which is a mentally-painful idea) going to be created in which they exist? In other words, are they going to be the same as the (Counter-Earth) bios, or will a whole new series have to be written? Sorry about all the questions, by the way, and I appreciate you taking time to answer them. I'm interested in this, but confused how it's going to play out, format-wise. PseudoSherlock 17:26, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

Once ONSLAUGHT REBORN is released, it will create a different reality. One that split from the characters from the Heroes Reborn world before it became Counter-Earth or anything remotely resembling Counter-Earth. The writer is going to write it as though the heroes never returned to Earth and that world continued. So it will become a new Earth and have a newly designated Earth number (Earth-22009487 for example) for that new reality.
All the heroes from the Earth-616 will remain the same and be the same characters that were in HEROES REBORN/RETURN.
However, what the writer said in an interview could be wrong so once the limited series is released, then we can worry about who gets what name. Until then all the heroes are the same heroes from Earth-616 universe. --DragynWulf 19:36, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

Mercenary Category

Hey, I was wondering if there would be a category for mercenaries. There certainly seems to be a good number of them in the Marvel Universe, be it former or current (Deadpool, Elektra, Bushman, Rauol, Taskmaster, Moon Knight, Cage, Luke, etc.)
I tried to make the page, but it didn't go through for some reason. --brokenstatue

I agree that there should be a Mercenary category and even created one myself about awhile ago, however other Mods disageed. So majority rules in cases like this and it was out voted.
And just so you know, the character goes by "Bushman" and not his real name "Rauol Bushman". --DragynWulf 00:14, 23 August 2006 (EDT)


FYI, the last time I saw the Skrulls bio it had been created using the non-functioning race bio, and so the actual source had tons of information, but it didn't show up properly because it was using a non-existent template. I was tempted to fix it, or use the team template, but I figured someone with more authority had done it, and I didn't want to get involved in that. But it's possible that-since then-it was re-edited; that's just the last condition I saw it in. PseudoSherlock 12:06, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

I realize that it was created using a template that is not ready to be used and because the template is not ready to be used, I deleted it. The entire template might change, stay the same or whatever, but as long as no information shows up, then there is no point to having it. It gives the impression to new posters or posters just trying to mess around that a template for a character itself (with no information showing) can be approved. Something that we don't want.
Also by deleting the profile it deletes a category not being used because the template is not ready TO be used. --DragynWulf 13:40, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

Makes sense. When I get around to it, I'll throw up a basic Skrulls bio as I've caught enough stuff about them from the first 100 or so Fantastic Four issues. Thanks for the info, and making a decision on the bio, which had been bothering me. :) PseudoSherlock 15:02, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

Then wouldn't it have been better to simply reset it to the team template?! Or if you were to busy being a mod now, you could have at least told me and I would have done it myself! How was I supposed to know the template wasn't approved! sononsj 21:48, 9 September 2006 (EDT)

When the template was created it was stated in the summary area that it was not ready to use and not approved yet. Within minutes after the template was uploaded, the Skrulls profile was created using that template. If the team template was used to make the profile prior to that and was just altered by chnaging the template around and leaving the exisiting information, it didn't show up due to the template getting changed. It registered as a new profile and therefore deleted because it wasn't ready to use.
Not everyone can be told what was done wrong with a profile or edit on thier Usertalk page, which is why there is also a summary so posters can see what is going on as well as the Moderators.
As for me being busy as a Mod... sorry if I don't spend hours upon hours online doing one particular thing. I jump from the message boards to working on the Handbooks to here to stop it from being an eye sore and just plan boring. I do what I can when I can.
Also Moderators shouldn't also be expected to clean up a mess made by posters who have self-approval rights. They were given to posters because by the time they get self-approval rights, they know how the system works and how to make proper profiles. If you are not sure about something, ask first before doing it. --DragynWulf 16:12, 10 September 2006 (EDT)


Hi, first of all thanks for the tips on the templates, I managed to get a couple of bios approved. My question is simple, I uploaded a couple of pics, and subsequently edited the bios where I wanted the pics (one being the Pixe (Eternal) bio I added). Right after that I did some modifications on the Moonstone (Karla Sofen) bio. The Moonstone modifications were almost instantly approved, but I still haven't gotten any reply on the Pixie (Eternal) edit, or the Storm edit I did (I found a HUGE mistake in the bio, and I updated it and added some stuff that was missing too). Why is this? Why is it that some of my stuff was approved and other stuff wasn't approved? Or hasn't it been checked yet? Also, I did create a username bio for myself, and it was approved, so why is it that the link still appears red as if it wasn't there? Any help will be greatly appreciated, I really want to know all this so I can keep adding stuff to the site. Valechan 5 September 2006 (EDT)

Hi. I'm not Dragynwulf, but I'll answer as I approved your Moonstone bio. First of all, I'm much more familiar with Moonstone's history so I didn't need to research or fact-check your entry. Most of the time, mods have to fact-check before they can approve stuff. Also, your entries still had many grammatical errors, including capitalization and syntax, so although I approved it, I still had to go in and tweak the wording. Some mods don't like to do this (or, more likely, have no time to do this) and will only approve of entries that are closer to 100% correct. As for your Pixie (Eternal) picture, it still seemed very pixelated to me, and there are very high quality standards in regards to pictures. I was thinking of correcting the picture and re-posting it, but it is not a priority and my time, again, is limited. I hope that this has answered your questions about the approvals. Be patient and the mods will hopefully get to more of your stuff soon. I like the info you've added and look forward to more. --Danny Waah! 20:12, 5 September 2006 (EDT)

No problem on the template tip. Since you reposted the same question, I will add to what Danny said and maybe it will help you a little more.
The situation with approval of edits/profiles is simple. We want this to be the best source online for all Marvel characters and want all the information to be accurate. Because of that, Moderators don't approve something they don't know about. For example, I seen that you did a very large edit to the Storm bio, but I don't know that much about the character to approve it so I have to leave it for another Moderator that knows about the character. However I know about the Moonstone (Thunderbolts in general) and Pixie characters very well and can approve that easily.
The Pixie image wasn't approved because images need to be at least 442 pixils in width. If the width is any smaller, the image will be stretched and not look very good (or pixelated as Danny said), which is something we don't want. Feel free to resubmit it with a width of 422 if you'd like.
As for your name appearing in red, it is because when you signed up you used a small "v" instead of a capital "V". All userpage links are with a capital letter. User:Valechan and not User:valechan. You will notice it is the sameway with every userpage that the user used a small letter for their handle/name.
Hope this helps you understand things a little more. If you have anymore questions, please feel free to ask. --DragynWulf 01:48, 6 September 2006 (EDT)

Thanks a lot, this does help. I will try to be less enthusiastic next time and check the grammar before posting. I'll see if I can find a better scan of Pixie with the right size. Thanks guys :D Valechan 9:00, 6 September (EDT)

Hi again! I made a new Pixie (Eternal) picture, is this one better than the last? I hope it gets approved... in the meantime I'm waiting for a couple of bios to get approved to. I do have a question. In the old Handbooks, characters with the same name used to have a I or II. I created the Feron bio, and I kinda want to do the original Feron bio (who used to be Feron I), what should I name him? I thought of Feron (Otherworld), but I'd really like to know. Oh, and sorry for editing thispage a while back, I had no clue at first how to post here... I am sort of embarrased about it, but I've learnt from my mistakes (or so I hope). Valechan 19:23, 7 September (EDT)

The only problem with the Pixie image is that the file size is too large (177MB). The desired file size is a maximum of 130MB (I believe, it gives a warning when uploading the image).
I will ask the other Mods about Feron since I believe one was called "Feron2", but both come from Eaerth-616 and were brothers.
Don't worry about editing the page. It took me a little time to understand how to make profiles, edits and discussion pages also. --DragynWulf 01:22, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

I'll see if I can change the size of the image, but it might loose quality... About Feron... the original Feron was from Otherworld, and the same race as Merlyn (and by extension Roma). He, Necrom and Merlyn traveled to the 616 reality in order to create the energy matrix. Feron contacted the Phoenix Force and asked it (really nicely from what I've heard) to duplicate a tower throughout the Multiverse. Seconds later, as the energy matrix began to form, Necrom stole a portion of the Phoenix Force from Feron, and tried to take over, but he was defeated by Merlyn. The Phoenix Force was wounded and left the Earth quite scared from what it says in Excalibur 52... anyway Feron chose to remain on Earth 616 and await for the PHoenix Force's return. He obviously died several milennia later, but he left descendants, and his last descendant (named after him of course) is the one that joined Excalibur, and whose bio I did. In the past they were called Feron I and Feron II, but that system isn't used anymore :(. Hope this clears it up :D Also... I was so outraged when I saw Wanda's bio!!!! WHo could have created such a small bio for Wanda??? By the Goddess!!! Immediately I grabbed my handbooks (old and new) and began adding stuff and wrote some stuff that was missing from them as well. That is the second of my favorite chars that has a less than adequate bio, so I'm gonna start searching the site to see who else needs some tweaking. Thanks a lot for approving it quickly, I am a very impatient person and waiting for approval kills me :p Valechan 11:59, 8 September (EDT)

I asked the other Moderators and "Feron (modern era)" and "Feron (Merlyn associate)" are the names to list them under. I was confussing those characters with Ferro and Ferro2 of Crazy Gang/Technet for some reason.
Anyone can create a history for any character no matter if it is a long profile or shorter version. There is no right or wrong way (unless it is just too short with no bio info to go with it), because not everyone knows everything about every character.
Well patience is something you will have to have here. Not all profiles/edits can be approved right away. ALso if you happen to use the OHotMU Handbooks as were you got your information from, in the future please site that as your source. --DragynWulf 12:27, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

I used some info for the Wanda bio, how should I add it? In the Summary? Also, I was able to lower the file size of that Pixie pic, and yes I will be patient :p. I'll work on the Feron (Merlyn associate) bio then, seeing as I already created the other one (though it is named just "Feron". It is understandable to confuse them, Ferro is one of the enemies of Excalibur, and if you didn't read those books you might confuse them (same thing happens to me with Spidey's supporting cast, seeing as I never read his books). Valechan

Me again, I found some broken links in the Excalibur page, and I did an edit with the correct links, I didn't do any other corrections... why wasn't that approved? And hey, my Pixie image is up, I'm happy :D Valechan 23:02, 8 September (EDT)

As I mentioned earlier, you have to be patient. Most of the Moderators are OHotMU Handbook writers and have deadlines to meet along with their normal job and personal lives. The others are volunteers who have personal lives and jobs and also write profiles. All of the Mods here are also Moderators at the message boards. We get to them when we have the time, but that also doesn't mean that we ignore them either. So, just be patient and they will be gotten to. --DragynWulf 23:06, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

I'ts cool :D I asked only because I thought I wasn't supposed to edit links or something like that, it's nice to know that's not the case. And now I see why the boards are in the shape they are, some of the posters have to banned, really, some posts are just moronic. Thanks again and sorry for the inconvenience. Valechan 10:56, 9 September (EDT)

It isn't an inconvenience at all. I don't mind asnwering questions when and if I can. And if I can't I will do what I can to find someone that can. --DragynWulf 10:55, 9 September 2006 (EDT)

Anaconda wiki...

Heeey, I realized that "talking" by continuing to add the Anaconda profile is a bit obnoxious, so I'll post on here instead. You say that it's from the Wikipedia profile, but it's not. I wrote the Wiki profile, and though it may look similar in subject material, that is simply because I was making a chronological biography for her. It's worded all differently, and I just don't understand how you can think it's plagiarism when it's not at all copied from Wiki's site. It sounds similar to that of her wikipedia entry because it's not like she's been in hundreds of issues, and I was only going by her comic appearances. If there's anything else I need to change for it to be accepted here, you could tell me and I'd be appretiative. <3 nyssane 16:56, 10 September 2006 (EDT)

Two Things

Dunno if I should write here, seeing as everything else was deleted... anyway first, how do I get rid of the yellow "You have new messages" bar? I've read those messages thousands of times already, they are anything but new. Second, I've been hitting the "remember me" box next to the password since like forever, yet the site never remembers my account and password... is this a bug? My cookies work perfectly with other sites, so it comes as a shock it doesn't work with this one. Anyway... hope there isn't any problem about writing here... --valechan

They are all still there, you somehow looked under UserTalk:UserTalk:DragynWulf instead of just UserTalk:DragynWulf. No big deal though, I moved it to here and deleted the other page.
The password thing will remember it as long as you are online. Once you disconnect, you will have to type it again. It is that way for everyone. The yellow you havenew messages appear when you type something new in a Usertalk page or character talk page. It is a bug. It is suppost to show when you have a message on your talk page, but shows up when you post on someone else's talk page. Click on it and then click to "Recent Changes" at the bottom of the page and that should get rid of it. It works that way for me. --DragynWulf 12:35, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

Uncalled for?

If you had access to the Handbook after 4 months, you shouldn't have edited the entry just because someone didn't reply to your comment. If you don't know something to be true, then don't change it just because you can't find any referance. Especially when it looks like you didn't even look for it for the past 4 months. Examples like this is the reason why Wikipedia and Marvel Database are not a reliable source.
You are right, maybe I shouldn't have edited the article. Regardless, if you have ever worked professionally in a knowledge management role, which doesn't seem to be the case, you would know that not having data is better than having incorrect data. I was wrong to change the entry and I will be more careful in future. With that said, you should really learn more about Wikipedia before casting a wildly subjective opinion about it. Not only does it have fewer errors per article, but it often has more data, per subject, than any other resource. It is critically acclaimed by professional SMEs from around the world. Seriously, why do people always bad-mouth Wikipedia before learning anything about it? Take this article with a grain of salt, but I think the point is still valid. Regards, --jamie_hari 13:01, 1 December 2006 (CST)

not having data is better than having incorrect data... that is obvious with pretty much everything and it has absolutely nothing to do with this. There was correct data listed. You removed that correct data because you refused to look the information up for yourself for 4 months.
I don't need to learn more about Wikipedia to tell you the facts that it is not a very reliable source no matter what professor has to say about it. Because what those professors don't care to look at is that it is setup to fail. The information listed is not verified by anyone and anyone can put whatever they want in an entry. Therefore anyone can enter any false information if they felt like it. And example...
Trolls could enter that Captain America first appeared in FANTASTIC FOUR #1 just to screw with the entry and the next person to see the profile would see that "WOW! I didn't know Captain America appeared in FANTASTIC FOUR #1".
This is a fact that you don't care to look at and one that you proved yourself when you removed correct information from the Gambit profile, just because no one replied to you for 4 months on the character's middle name. Had this been Wikipedia or your website, no one would have verified it and the correct information would have been removed because someone did not bother to look it up themselves even though they had access to it.
Another factor in dealing with comic characters. There are comic readers/collectors that have a hate for certain characters and would go to any lengths to destroy information about the character. I can't even count all the times this has happened to numerous profiles here. Then there is also fans that don't want to acknowledge something happened to a character they love so much and would remove correct information because of that, again which has been attempted numerous times here.
This is just yet another example of why Wikipedia and your website is a failed system because it is not verified. If the information were to be verified and approved before being allowed to be part of the entry, then it would be a different story, but it is not. I have pointed out numerous errors in the Taskmaster profile alone on your website and that is just one profile. I could do the same with numerous profiles on your website, but again that is something you don't seem to care about. You just want information and not correct information.
This is where the phrase you mentioned above would come into play, which I will quote "Regardless, if you have ever worked professionally in a knowledge management role, which doesn't seem to be the case, you would know that not having data is better than having incorrect data.". So to say that I don't work in a knowledge management role would be incorrect on your part once again because this I am indeed in a management role here and do my job correctly if I make sure correct information is being listed instead of false information or correct information being removed.
Now, you are more than welcome to contribute to this site all you want, but unlike your website the information will be verified and only if it is found to be accurate, it will be approved. But please do not come here saying that your website has more information and therefore it is better, while saying we are wrong because "not having data is better than having incorrect data" when we are the ones that prefer no data over incorrect data (and verify/approve the data) and while you prefer incorrect data over no data just to say you have "more information". --DragynWulf 10:00, 2 December 2006 (CST)

...But please do not come here saying that your website has more information and therefore it is better, while saying we are wrong...' Nowhere in my above post did I say Wikipedia was definitively better. I agree that, in a perfect world, we would have human resources enough to review every edit. Clearly, that will never be possible. I did, however, state a fact that Wikipedia is, on average, more accurate and more complete. The fact that you aren't open-minded enough to review independent research for yourself proves your lack of experience in a knowledge management role. If you noticed my specific wording, you are not a 'professional', rather you simply volunteer your limited knowledge and time. I have already admitted my fault and apologized for the deletion. You, however, will not concede anything, which ultimately speaks your ignorance, on the whole. I am through debating this, since there is no reasoning with you. --jamie_hari 21:27, 3 December 2006 (CST)

1) Nowhere in my above post did I say Wikipedia was definitively better. actually you did when you said "Not only does it have fewer errors per article, but it often has more data, per subject, than any other resource." on top of that the majority of your time visiting is to say your website is better because it has more information (like with your post on the message board for example).
2) I did, however, state a fact that Wikipedia is, on average, more accurate and more complete.... Like I already proved to you, I can go to a page on your Marvel Database and find mistakes in many profiles. Therefore, it would not be "more accurate and more complete", unless you consider false information in order to fill space "accurate and complete".
3) The fact that you aren't open-minded enough to review independent research for yourself proves your lack of experience in a knowledge management role.... someone doesn't need to do research on a subject if they already know the correct answer. Which is it is a failed system unless the information entered is indeed verified.
4) If you noticed my specific wording, you are not a 'professional', rather you simply volunteer your limited knowledge and time.... I only used this job for an example (and it is indeed a job). You really have no idea what I do outside of this, so you really can't say what kind of job I do or don't have just because you can't get over the fact that's Marvel Universe has a better setup when dealing with information on the profiles. Because lets get to the point. That is what this is all about. Information on characters and which one has correct information and which one doesn't. One that is verified will always have the correct information, while one that does nothing to verify the information listed will always be opened to false information being listed. Hence the failed system.
5) You, however, will not concede anything, which ultimately speaks your ignorance, on the whole.... I've showed no ignorance on the subject so why would I concede to something that is setup in a way to fail by it not being verified in order to prove that the information listed is indeed correct instead of false information being listed. Using past examples here, if there was no verification here then Captain America and many other characters would look like Toxin because a fan of Toxin keeps placing that character's image in whatever profile they could. X-Corp and X-Corporation would constantly have mixed up information listed. Information would be listed for characters when a comic has yet to be released and no evidence to show that what mentioned in an interview would indeed take place in the comic itself. Or something currently listed as "spoilers" on Wikipedia, a Young Masters of Evil will appear in YOUNG AVENGERS when there is no proof within a comic to even suggest it ever happening. --DragynWulf 10:14, 4 December 2006 (CST)

1) Nowhere in my above post did I say Wikipedia was definitively better. actually you did when you said "Not only does it have fewer errors per article, but it often has more data, per subject, than any other resource." on top of that the majority of your time visiting is to say your website is better because it has more information (like with your post on the message board for example).
1A) Again, watch my wording, I said often, which doesn't mean always. Please, if you want to debate this, follow my simple English symantics.
2) I did, however, state a fact that Wikipedia is, on average, more accurate and more complete.... Like I already proved to you, I can go to a page on your Marvel Database and find mistakes in many profiles. Therefore, it would not be "more accurate and more complete", unless you consider false information in order to fill space "accurate and complete".
2A) Yet again your logic is flawed. I said Wikipedia and somehow you are talking about finding mistakes on the Marvel Database. I concede that Wikipedia is OFTEN more accurate and detailed that the Marvel Database. (Please note the usage of the word 'often'.) While my point remains that our site is still more complete and accurate that most sites in a similar niche.
3) The fact that you aren't open-minded enough to review independent research for yourself proves your lack of experience in a knowledge management role.... someone doesn't need to do research on a subject if they already know the correct answer. Which is it is a failed system unless the information entered is indeed verified.
3B) Ha ha ha. This is a good reply. I am glad you are confident you have the right answer. I know a million people (literally) that are confident you are wrong. I have no further comment here... :)
4) If you noticed my specific wording, you are not a 'professional', rather you simply volunteer your limited knowledge and time.... I only used this job for an example (and it is indeed a job). You really have no idea what I do outside of this, so you really can't say what kind of job I do or don't have just because you can't get over the fact that's Marvel Universe has a better setup when dealing with information on the profiles. Because lets get to the point. That is what this is all about. Information on characters and which one has correct informisn't needed on usertalk pages, therefore spelling checks and things like that are not needed because it is conversations. And it is obvious that you understood what I was saying. Just like I understood your comment above about errors in grammer while making two errors of yourself explaining it.

  • As for me being on a "high horse", I never claimed to know all about Wikipedia. I only know that it is a flawed system, which I have pointed out and proved on both your website and Wikipedia itself with just one character because nothing is verified.
  • Now if you'd like to continue this conversation, I am sure we could do it through e-mail. Because it seems no matter how many times you say you are done, you continue to want to discuss the matter. --DragynWulf 15:22, 4 December 2006 (CST)

    Bad image file

    There is a link to Image:Really_sad_beast.jpg within the article Beast (Henry McCoy). On my computer, this image appears to be corrupted or otherwise unviewable. However, I wanted to check with you before I deleted the link. Does this image appear correctly or is it corrupted for you as well? --Lonesome Pinky 11:24, 24 December 2006 (CST)

    I'm obviously not DragynWulf, but if you were just looking for a second opinion, I can't even see the picture when I clicked on the link, then when I clicked on a link in that page, it said something about an error or not having authorization. I hope this helps.--abcdefghijklmno 00:26, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

    Disambiguation images

    I had originally asked this question in Category_talk:Disambiguation, but received no comment. Which image is the preferred choice for disambiguation (dab) pages: the current costume for that character or the costume that said character wore when he went by that alias? I ask this regarding Atlas (Erik Josten); his entries on the dab pages for Power Man and Smuggler show him in his Atlas garb. I presume that it would be better to show him in the appropriate costume for these previous aliases on their respective dab pages. However, I don't know if we would want to bother uploading images solely for that purpose. (Not that I have the ability to do so - I don't own a scanner.) In any event, I solicit your opinion. --Lonesome Pinky 12:28, 24 December 2006 (CST)

    Well I would agree with Lonesome Pinky on this matter. Pictures on the disambiguation pages should be of that character wearing that costume he used when he used the alias and preferably it should be the latest of the costumes if he used several. As I have done most of the disambiguation pages I have left the pictures out of the page if the character isn't wearing the right costume, because it would be missleading to the viewer. I would think Dragynwulf would agree to this, but lets see what he says. --Wezqu 13:26, 24 December 2006 (CST)

    Sorry it took me awhile to answer this. Holiday season and problems on the message board to attend to.
    Yes, the images should reflect the character shown in that costume as that name. For example MacGargan should have an image with a Scorpion costume under "Scorpion" and an image with the Venom costume on under "Venom". I have uploaded images for that purpose in the past at a 200 X 200 image size as shown on the Beetle, Basilisk, Goliath, Spider-Man and Thor disambig pages. So feel free to go ahead and do it if you'd like and I would use that smaller size to do it instead of the normal size. I will take care of the Atlas images unless you really wanted to do it yourself. --DragynWulf 12:18, 28 December 2006 (CST)

    Atlas is all yours. I like your compositional skills. Cheers! --Lonesome Pinky 13:27, 1 January 2007 (CST)

    Re: User_talk:Danja

    The point is probably moot as we appear to have scared this contributor off. However, I doubt that Danja's spellcheck program would have fixed these spelling errors. Given the number of British variant spellings in Danja's submission, I think it's safe to assume that he or she is located in the U.K. or elsewhere within the Commonwealth. Consequently, his/her spellchecker wouldn't catch these words as, for its purposes, they aren't spelled wrong. Although I presume that the standard here at is American English (and in my personal opinion, this should be the case), it is not specified anywhere on the Help pages. Since Marvel attracts a global audience, this might be something to consider making clear in the documentation. --Lonesome Pinky 13:46, 21 January 2007 (CST)


    Hi, DragynWulf. Do you know if Image:Example.jpg serves a specific purpose within this Wiki? Or did it get created by that user who was vandalizing articles with Toxin references? Over time, the image has changed from Toxin to the "Image not available" graphic, back to Toxin, and most recently to Iceman. It's currently used as an inline image in some articles where it clearly doesn't belong, so I plan to remove it from them. However, if this image does actually have a practical purpose for the Wiki, then we ought to reset it to whatever it is supposed to be. Thanks in advance, Lonesome Pinky 21:27, 29 January 2007 (CST)

    I have no idea. It could just be from the vandal. I will lock it so no one can alter it again. Thanks for the heads up. --DragynWulf 23:32, 29 January 2007 (CST)

    I'm Confused

    Hey, I used to be on this site 24/7, but now I'm kind of out of it, at least until I come back frequently. So now you don't get Hero Points for posting on talk pages and Pete finally got around to spelling "villains" correcly, right? Also, I got this weird message when I tried to access your page via the link in the middle of my talk page User:Abcdefghijklmno that went something like this: "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 't7i', @enc_pw) AS pwtest' at line 1SELECT AES_DECRYPT('_I������3�,Z't7i', @enc_pw) AS pwtest". Maybe it's just my computer or a fluke, but I just want to tell you. One last thing: I know you have a lot on your plate, but it's annoying that my user page hasn't been fully approved after 6 months. Thanks,--abcdefghijklmno 22:04, 1 February 2007 (CST)

    The problem was most likely a glitch at the time and it should be working now.
    As for your Userpage not being approved, I have no idea what you intended it to be, but the current approved page reads the following "This article has been created, but not approved, please check back later Patch", meaning at some point in time you placed the text within your profile to make it look like it was not yet approved, along with a link to the Patch disambiguation page, which was approved. If you wanted to change it further, then feel free to do so and it will be approved. --DragynWulf 20:35, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

    I did the link to Patch when I was creating the page, and I guess that it stuck as the profile was pending approval, but was never approved because I didn't use the template. But now, months later, I actually used the template, and now I can approve my own edits, so it's no big deal. And thanks for helping with the Patch disambiguation page.--abcdefghijklmno 00:21, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

    Kaptain Briton / Red Skull

    Sorry to bother you, but I stumbled over a little problem. While updating the Psylocke-file, I found two different statements about the Earth from which Kaptain Briton derives. I found Earth-794 and Earth-839 as possibilities. I found exactly those two everywhere around the internet. Do you have an idea which one is true?
    I found another dissonance regarding Red Skull. His surname in the title and several times in the text is written Shmidt. But as far as I can remember, it should be Schmidt. Since I´m german, I know that the name Shmidt doesn´t exist in german. The name Schmidt is the second most common name in Germany. Can you confirm my consideration?
    I´ll do the changes myself as soon as I get the necessary informations!
    Thank you very much! --Zeraphyne

    The thing with Captain Britain is that there are litteratly thousands of alternate reality versions of him including alternate reality versions of those alternate reality versions, so it is most likely that there are two Kaptain Britons.
    As for the real name of the Red Skull, it is spelt Johann Shmidt as shown in CAPTAIN AMERICA #300 (1984). Apparently the incorrect spelling of the name within the profile itself was either overlooked by Moderators or approved by someone with self-approval rights. Feel free to correctly spell the name within the profile if you'd like. --DragynWulf 20:30, 16 March 2007 (CDT)


    The Loki article has multiple typos in it. I started to take a whack at it, but my eyes started to glaze over. Is it worth saving or should we start from scratch? --Lonesome Pinky 03:18, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

    Hey Pinky I am currently using OHOTMU text to sort out any articles that are in the stubs. I'm working my way up the list but I should be working on the Loki profile fairly soon. Its up to Dragyn and any other mods if they feel we should start again of course. -s05bf0d4 07:51, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

    Thanks for the heads up. Apparently someone (most like someone with self-approving rights impropperly using them) approved an edit that should not have been due to typos all over. I have it re-written and will take care of it while bringing the character up to date including a new image and will upload it all shortly. --DragynWulf 09:55, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

    I'm not sure if I'm pointing the right direction but I just saw Zeraphyne to edit other users user page and it was aproved sometime later. Just thought someone should tell him how the self-approving rights work. He might be the one who messed Loki profile up or just approved someone elses edit on the page that he shouldn't be doing. Cant be sure of course but just thought you might want to know. --Wezqu 17:31, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

    Squadron Supreme

    Hi DW -- question about the Squadron Supreme. Where in published Marvel comics was it established that the Scarlet Centurion and the Grandmaster played a "game" in which the Squadron faced off against the Institute of Evil? I'll be damned if I can remember it. Was in the SS Limited Series? --IronHube 21:55, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

    It was mentioned in SQUADRON SUPREME #9 in a flashback image. --DragynWulf 20:48, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

    Glossary makeover / new category

    Hi, Dragyn! Sorry again for me approving others edits (even though it wasn't me who approved the Loki edit). But now to the point.
    I was going through the glossary and I found the entry about an alloy Omniurn. Could it be that this is a spelling mistake? As far as I remember from chemistry and latin, things like these end on IUM, not IURN. I found other references for Omniurn on the internet, but it was obviously the same contributor.
    The other thing I found was mass accruing. I thought about deleting it and write a new entry about size-shifting, that revolves around decrease AND increase of size. How does that sound?
    The last point I was thinking about is the addition of a new category; "Presumed dead". There are a lot of characters, whose fate is unknown and I could imagine that it would be quite interesting to assemble them under one category!
    That's it for today! Thanks for your time! Greetings Zeraphyne 10:51, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

    I have fixed the omniurm mispellings. Cheers, Lonesome Pinky 21:25, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

    Alternate Realities

    Hi DW: Question about writing profiles for Alt. Realities. If there is indeed something of interest in the profile relating to an Earth-616 character, why is it not permissable to link to that character? Also, do all non Earth-616 characters, when using a link, need to have their Earth designation following them? For instance, in my [recently deleted] Ultra-Vision entry, I wrote merely "Tachyon Torch," not "Tachyon Torch (Earth-90110)" ? (There is no character named "Tachyon Torch" in the Earth-616 universe, that's why I didn't use his Earth-90110 designation.) Thanks. IronHube at 12:25, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

    Due to Earth-616 characters traveling to other universe all the time and sometimes vise versa, there is a need to be specific about what characters you are talking about in a profile. Especially when there are versions of the character in each universe.
    Anyone from that universe is releated to someone from that same universe and not from Earth-616 unless they have traveled to that universe from Earth-616 and stayed there like Haywire did from Earth-712. So in your Iron Man of 2020 (which by the way is not his name, just a referance so he should not be mentioned as "Iron Man of 2020" in the profile) you said he was releated to Tony Stark with a link to the Earth-616 Tony Stark. He is releated to Tony Stark, expect it is the Tony Stark from his universe and not Earth-616.
    However if it is the actual character from the Earth-616 that has crossed into that universe, much like the Squadron Supreme have done with Earth-616 often and Iron Man 2020 did in Earth-616 and killed Blizzard while fighting Spider-Man, then it is okay to link to the normal/Earth-616 version of that character.
    As for linking to a name like Tachyon Torch where there is no version of him on Earth-616, all characters from that universe get the same Earth designation so everyone knows where they are from. Because while there might not be a version of that character in Earth-616, there maybe or are other versions of that character in another universe (Which in this case there are due to timelines being altered in more than one WHAT IF issue). --DragynWulf 11:49, 20 April 2007 (CDT) (Moderator)

    Not entirely too familiar with how this Wiki Works...

    ... so forgive me! :(

    I have created Wiki entries for Nuerotap, Martin Strong, Raza, Ch'od and D'Ken - and was curious as to what's the usual turn around time before such entries appear? --Adam-X

    Over half of the ones you made were deleted because you copied text from another site and used it as your own (plagarizing someone else's work). We want posters to use their own text so it is original as well as not cause any problems for the site. You can copy the text from the OFFICIAL HANDBOOKS OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE if you'd like, but we ask that you give credit where credit is due and mention where you got the information from in the "Summary" area. Something like "Text from OHotMU A-Z Update #1". This way the writer of the entry for the handbook will be recongnized as being the person that took the time to write the text and did the research needed. --DragynWulf 14:28, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

    Why not?

    I was wondering why Marvel doesn't just buy the rights to a pre-existing database like this, instead of starting over completely? There are multiple databases that are virtually identical to this one on the internet. They could also pay the webmaster to continue running the site, or transfer all the information to It would be fairly easy, and I'm sure most of the webmasters of the pre-existing databases wouldn't ask for much because they started the original site for fun. It's not like any of them make money on it anyway. --Spidy207

    Why pay for something when they can allow fans to enjoy the site and then get the same information a different way? Sure, they could of just copied all the text and placed it on the site also, but Marvel wanted to let the fans have fun with it. --DragynWulf 14:12, 27 April 2007 (CDT) (Moderator)

    Can users make catergories?

    Hey DragynWulf, are users allowed to make catergories? Because I think their should be a Robots catergory due to the large number of them. --Max Spider

    If you ask to make them first yes. However, a category for the various robots in the Marvel Universe was previously suggested and decided not to have one due to there already being a lot of categories already. --DragynWulf 18:25, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

    Should a Hulk category be created? I know that there is a Planet Hulk category but how about just the Hulk. You could fit in the Rhino, Sandman, Glob, Leader etc as well as fit in some She-Hulk characters (after all she is Hulk related). Was that ever considered? Thanks. -s05bf0d4 20:00, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

    Sorry for the long overdue reply. There is one now. The Planet Hulk could only have limited characters in it, so it was deleted and replaced with World War Hulk category. --DragynWulf 21:11, 9 June 2007 (EDT) (Moderator)

    Freak and Happy Hogan bios

    That Ironhube guy made Freak and Happy Hogan bios to this site, but shouldn't them be in the same bio because Happy and the Freak are the same character. Also it shouldn't be on on Freak because there is several other characters who has used alias Freak. --Wezqu 15:43, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

    It is only one character and it should go under the latest appearance of that character. And since Happy Hogan died as Happy Hogan, it should be that profile. --DragynWulf 21:08, 9 June 2007 (EDT) (Moderator)

    Yeah I know that but what I ment was that the Freak bio should be deleted, because its of the same characters as Happy Hogan. I would do it myself but can't delete bios. --Wezqu 14:45, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

    My Bio

    Dragynwulf, you were very helpful in helping me get my bio setup, however I accidently overlooked some things and left some info from another user, I have tried correcting this, but it wont let me more than likely due to my low hero points. Any chance, you would be able to help or approve the changes I've made? Thanks --Venomocity 12:14, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

    Accepting articles

    Hey Dragynwulf, you said I could ask you questions and Ive got one, Ive recently gained the right to approve my own articles but I can only approve articles Ive made recently, Is there a reason for this or am I doing something wrong? -- Max Spider

    Annihilation category

    Annihilation category is not made up. Check the frontpage of this wiki there in the last link in the category section there is a link to Annihilation category. pete and nightmare_baby are the only ones that have edited it and both of them are moderators. If its not a official category then you guys should remove it from the main page of this wiki and don't blame people of inventing it up when it was listed by this page as a category. I did add some pages to it as I tought it was official category that was added when this page was updated to its current format. --Wezqu 19:18, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

    Pictures Deleted?

    I made my user page last night, and uploaded around four pictures. After the first two, when I was looking for the cheat sheet page, I read some of the help section and saw that personal pictures weren't allowed, even for user pages. So, since my first two uploaded pictures were personal and I figured that they would be deleted, I uploaded two new, all-Marvel character, pictures and used them for my profile. Do you have any idea why those were deleted?--abcdefghijklmno 13:15, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

    Redirect Pages

    Can I make redirect pages, and are there any specific requirements for them? One example for a page that I had in mind would be redirecting a "Spidey" search to Spider-Man (Peter Parker). Also, searching "Angel" redirects to the Angel (Warren Worthington III) page. Could I make a disambiguation page for all of the Angels, as there are about six or seven that I saw in the People category.--abcdefghijklmno 17:58, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

    One last thing, I saw when I previewed this page that my time zone was CDT. I'm in the Eastern Time Zone, and I've already have this problem, but everything switched to EDT after I went to my profile and changed my state from "None" to Maryland. Any idea how to fix this?--abcdefghijklmno 17:58, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

    Ohitsme contributions

    Hey DragynWulf, I don't know if this is something that you get asked about at all, but I was just wondering if someone (any mod out there) could approve some of the bios that ohitsme puts up on the site. Either that or tell him what he's doing wrong in order to get them approved. I know I could be told to mind my own business, but I just feel bad that ohitsme does the work to put up a lot of new profiles, and I hardly see any get approved. I know the mods have been busy lately, so that's probably the reason why, but I just wanted to see if anyone out there could help him out. Call me crazy, but I guess it's the persistence that reminds me of me when I first started writing profiles for this site. Ohitsme doesn't complain while he's waiting for approval. He just keeps on writing and submitting. I just wanted to see if I could lend a helping hand to get the ball rolling for him. Thanks.

    Hey Ohitsme, I just wanted to let you know that someone notices the work your doing even if I can't really do too much about it.

    The reason is the Handbook writers have really been crunched for time this past few months, but it will let up soon. We've had deadlines for 3 projects take place at once, plus reviews on upcoming Handbooks. With the new year coming around, there is a massive project in the works that is also being worked on.
    It is appreciated all the work that everyone does and we will be back to normal shortly.--DragynWulf 20:33, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

    Thanks acotilletta2, It is good to see that my work has not gone completely unnoticed. It has gotten a little frustrating. I have started to notice that I am not even being noticed or credited for minor edits like links or spelling corrections. Oh well, you said that I had not been complaining so I want start now. Thanks DragynWulf I am very glad that you respond it to acotilletta2's concerns. I do understand that you guys have been very busy.--ohitsme 09:08, 28 October 2007 (CDT)

    Thanks to whoever came along and approved those profiles. I would like to know what correction to make to the ones left behind. I am really interested to know why the Darklore and Count Abyss profiles were not approved. The Infinity Watch links are kind of puzzling also. That seemed to be really minor. Anyway just let me know what needs to be done and I will take care of it.--ohitsme 22:35, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

    Correct Spelling

    I believe that the current spelling of the Race that Blastaar is is spelled wrong. It is currently listed online as (Balurrians) it is written in the FF comics and the Nova Corps Files as Baluurians. Which spelling is correct? There is also the same problem with the Luphomoids.

    Uploading Issues

    Hey DragynWulf, just a quick question for you. I don't know if you can do anything about it, or if you can just pass it along to someone who can, but the website has been having problems when it comes to uploading images for profiles. Can someone please take a look at this problem, so we can contribute images as well as text? Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks. --acotilletta

    Hero points

    Should have posted this here instead of my talk...I apologize for the double post. Been gone awhile since Hero Points stopped adding up for me....decided to see if that problem was fixed when I saw someone post they received their first point on the message boards. Alas, that was not the case. My question is why do I no longer get Hero Points for edits or new bios? I have noticed that if I approve my post/edit it still shows up in watchlist as not approved...yet the change will show up on the Marvel Universe Main Page. Is anyone else having this problem? --mickeys4life 18:05, 27 April 2009 (CDT)

    The same thing happens with me too, but I figure as long as the edits and new bios show up, it's okay. I'll keep posting, but you're right. It has been like this for some time now. --acotilletta 27 April 2009

    True they still go through but I like achieving the Hero me something to shoot for. Anyone know if this will eventually get fixed?--mickeys4life 19:08, 27 April 2009 (CDT)

    Blatant Disregard for the Rules

    This post is for any of the mods who will read it. I've placed it here on DragynWulf's page because he was the last person to address holo78's blatant disregard of the rules here. Holo78 has been defacing the site with his made up information and obnoxious way of doing things, including his tone when he "speaks" to any of us here. There have been a number of us who have tried to assist him and inform him how things work on this site (check his talk page), and every time he ignores us and continues with his previous behavior. He has gone so far as to say he is pete when he attempts to edit some profiles, and DragynWulf told him if he does so again, he will be banned. Well, as you can probably see on the Recent Changes page, he has ignored DragynWulf too. Please, can someone do something about this user because he has done nothing but annoy most of us who contribute here for several months now, and I have had enough of it. I actually had enough a few months ago, but I didn't want to sound like a whiner. Unfortunately, I see no other recourse than to plead my case to the mods to ban him from the site. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way, but I'll be the one to actually say something about it. Thank you for your time. --acotilletta

    I have to reiterate my point how obnoxious holo78 is. As you can see in his statements as to why he changes profiles, he simply says "I have spoken." He refuses to follow the rules, and when scolded he waits for a little while to see if a harsher punishment is implemented. When that doesn't happen, he starts up all over again. For me, I have seen this one too many times, and am personally fed up with it. I don't know if any others feel the same, but I won't put words into anyone's mouths. Thanks again for your time. --acotilletta 1 July 2009

    Hi, I noticed there's a ton of spelling errors and grammatical mistakes here and there peppered throughout the wiki so as I encounter them in articles I correct them, should I continue to keep a running log of it on the talk page to my userpage? --spidey287 2 May 2010